the paragraph's supposed to be awkward
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 23 November 2020 15:18 (three years ago) link
Two years later, Daytona is still the only album to be celebrated in the INSTANT CLASSIC video franchise
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 23 November 2020 15:43 (three years ago) link
https://pitchfork.com/tv/56-liner-notes/kendrick-lamar-or-damn-or-instant-classic/
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 23 November 2020 15:45 (three years ago) link
It’s a Nathan Fielder kind of 2018 reference
― Karl Malone, Monday, 23 November 2020 15:54 (three years ago) link
"SAINt JHN was crooning woozy knock-off Future verses when a 19-year-old in a village in Kazakhstan illegally made him a hit."
uhh just my opinion but really uncharitable reading of saint jhn's career
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 23 November 2020 20:59 (three years ago) link
Alfred!! Wtf
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 11:10 (three years ago) link
https://img.discogs.com/lO3KlBn5Y3WaSJKLgX7maElQFUw=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-827485-1308703158.jpeg.jpg
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 11:13 (three years ago) link
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 11:14 (three years ago) link
What? I like the album, though it's more epochal than good.
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 11:26 (three years ago) link
you can talk about it down at the station
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 15:41 (three years ago) link
okay this revive got me to go look at pfork to see what you guys were talking about and i have two items to address here:
1. why is that album being reviewed? was it recently reissued?
2. yes i'm sorry alfred, we're going to have to bring you in for this. your bail will be set at seventy million dollars.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 18:10 (three years ago) link
Yes. A 25th anniversary edition.
I'll have to sell Negronis at lemonade stands to make bail.
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 18:11 (three years ago) link
Alfred mentions it the beginning of his paragraph, but the editor failed to do their job and mention in the subhed that it's an anniversary edition -- thus leading to Austin's confusion.
― yes m!ch!gan - the feeling's forever (morrisp), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 18:18 (three years ago) link
(*third paragraph)
I like that review Alfred!
Absolutely stunned to learn that Aimee Mann is 60. I mean, it makes sense when I look at the arc of her career, but it still also doesn't make sense at all.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 18:34 (three years ago) link
It's okay because I'm gettin' flayed on Twitter.
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 18:34 (three years ago) link
and thanks, jon
I love that ilx is a safe space for idiosyncratic takes, a place for true iconoclasts. However, Alfred is wrong; the songwriting is Great
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 19:03 (three years ago) link
You know what’s good though? Linkin Park’s Hybrid Theory
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 19:10 (three years ago) link
it's practically hidden in the review that it's a reissue. i was so confused.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 19:15 (three years ago) link
not trying to nitpick you, alfred. not your fault at all, really.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 19:16 (three years ago) link
It didn't help that the label was coy about the title because it's...26 years since My Life.
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 19:29 (three years ago) link
Annoying that people interpret anything less than an unqualified rave as a personal attack.
― jaymc, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 19:33 (three years ago) link
A couple people called me a cracker.
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 19:33 (three years ago) link
i'm also a cracker. self-proclaimed.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 19:52 (three years ago) link
hive culture sucks
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 20:03 (three years ago) link
This is depressing to see happen more frequently. Was there a big stan backlash against those middling BTS reviews?
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 20:16 (three years ago) link
isn't that funny how this works?
"you hate the same things that i hate, so you're cool."
"you don't blindly love the same things that i do, so you're terrible."
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 20:30 (three years ago) link
katherine's Kylie review caused some awfulness too, this performative standom is the worst
― boxedjoy, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 20:33 (three years ago) link
What’s the album already
― brimstead, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 20:33 (three years ago) link
Ah ok, yeah I like MJB, that’s a good album.
― brimstead, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 20:35 (three years ago) link
Rating inflation is a blight so props to Alfred and katherine for helping curb its spread.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 20:36 (three years ago) link
Yeah, that's what I meant about the increased frequency of this shit. Between rabid personal attacks against critics who give anything less than a perfect score and this whole idea where you can't be a "real fan" until you buy 12 copies of the new album to "help your faves", modern pop fandom is seems even more toxic and dangerous.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 20:38 (three years ago) link
but pom, you're not understanding: ALFRED IS A *CRACKER* for not blindly handing out elevens.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 20:40 (three years ago) link
Right, of course, why didn't I think of that? This just goes to show how illegitimate my own discursive position is.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 20:42 (three years ago) link
Reminder that the reviewers don't choose the ratings (unless Alfred somehow did in this case).
― yes m!ch!gan - the feeling's forever (morrisp), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 20:42 (three years ago) link
Well, no, but it is still these individual reviewers that have to bear the brunt of these stan swarms, which makes it even worse imho!
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 20:43 (three years ago) link
Not to "blame the victim" - or more precisely, the victims' publisher - but maybe Pitchfork could help curb this ugly trend by doing away with the ratings altogether. Force ppl to actually read & engage with the review.
― yes m!ch!gan - the feeling's forever (morrisp), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 20:45 (three years ago) link
(Though I guess Metacritic assigns fake numerical ratings when they compile reviews anyway.)
― yes m!ch!gan - the feeling's forever (morrisp), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 20:46 (three years ago) link
Reminder that the reviewers don't choose the ratings
it remains more complicated than this
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 20:50 (three years ago) link
i don't think it's very difficult to understand why a lot of ppl would be mad at pitchfork for giving an album that has been considered a pillar of R&B for decades a 7.0.... read the last 20 years of the room
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 24 November 2020 20:53 (three years ago) link
my life is at least an 8 and is mjb's best record imo, "rating inflation is a blight" may be true to you but pfork giving a mary j. blige record a 7 isn't a fight against rating inflation, that's the status quo
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 20:54 (three years ago) link
This is why the numbers game is ridiculous anyway, like a lesser score by 1.0 on a 10.0 scale isn't some incredible trashing or whatever. The reaction has been like a 5 star record suddenly getting a 2 star review for the reissue which this... isn't.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 21:00 (three years ago) link
hey guys, i have a new subscription service i'm offering: i will pretend to be you on twitter and take all the abuse.
rates vary, depending on how concentrated the death threats are.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 21:02 (three years ago) link
i deleted a disclaimer at the end of my posts where i said all ratings are bullshit anyway and the undue focus on them is a net negative for criticism and discourse and has been for one billion years but i figured it was too obvious
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 21:04 (three years ago) link
Yeah, I would prefer to get rid of them altogether too but I can't see Pitchfork, especially, ever doing that considering that's such a built in part of their reputation now.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 21:05 (three years ago) link
Has any person congratulating Alfred for standing up to “MJB Hive” actually even listened to that album before lmfao
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 21:07 (three years ago) link
Yes, I like it a lot! More than Alfred does even, but I still thought his review was thoughtful and I don't think he deserves to get abuse for it.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 21:09 (three years ago) link
tbh the headline pullquote ("occasionally tedious...") stirred the Twitter beehive as much as the rating.
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 21:09 (three years ago) link
to answer d-40's q: yes, it's far and away my favorite mjb album.
while i definitely disagree that it's "tedious", my posts above about being a jerk to alfred because of the review were in jest.
i mean, no offense alf, but you're a cracker so i wouldn't expect you to understand that kind of music anyway.
(am i doing this right?)
{please understand that i am making fun of everything and everyone here, myself included. you're a fine creator of insightful paragraphs about music, alfred. and i know that's the truth because even the stuff you say that i disagree with i still enjoy reading.}
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 21:17 (three years ago) link