I like the kinks but they are weird
― brimstead, Sunday, 1 November 2020 03:06 (three years ago) link
Ray Davies' music is so much its own thing, and his aesthetic permeates it to such an extent, that I can't think of an "outlier" album or song to bring someone into it. Even his many mediocre songs are all him.
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 1 November 2020 03:10 (three years ago) link
Some xposts to Tom D, it's shocking to people when they know me. Trust me, you'd understand if we met.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Sunday, 1 November 2020 12:22 (three years ago) link
Got you.
― Young Boys of Bernie (Tom D.), Sunday, 1 November 2020 12:36 (three years ago) link
the other big one for me is the "classic" era REM that literally everybody loves, the pre-Green stuff -- I hated it then & I've tried and tried but it always hits like the weakest stuff to me, just nothing in it that works for me at all. once Stipe starts enunciating then I tend to like the big hook-laden hits well enough but all the stuff people find so special in that is like wilted lettuce to me.
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 1 November 2020 14:22 (three years ago) link
:(
― I guess I'd be lonesome (Sund4r), Sunday, 1 November 2020 14:31 (three years ago) link
B-b-but are they as bad as Paul Simon?
― Spiral "Scratch" Starecase (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 1 November 2020 15:46 (three years ago) link
there’s so much shade and mystery in those first few albums but I can see the jangle jangle and the drum sound for instance turning people off. or yeah stipe.
― brimstead, Sunday, 1 November 2020 17:45 (three years ago) link
Stipe's singing seemed radically oblique at the time, impressionistic, or expressionistic, or Rousseau/Chagall or whatever painting analogy you wanted to throw at it. The jangle itself was pretty unique too after fifteen years of overdriven rock/metal/punk guitar. Something something kudzu, something something New South, something something deaf in one ear. By 1986 there were a zillion American bands with a similar enough sound, and C86 and Flying Nun kicking in from overseas. REM were clever enough to leave what they pioneered behind.
― Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Monday, 2 November 2020 18:11 (three years ago) link
Booming post, bendy! Don't sleep on Bill Berry's off-kilter funky beats either.
― Meet the Anti-Monks! (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 2 November 2020 18:15 (three years ago) link
yeah the beats! I don’t know how to describe it.yes, great post, bendy
― brimstead, Monday, 2 November 2020 22:19 (three years ago) link
i honestly don't think there is one of these that exists for me? part of it is i'm increasingly lazy, lol. maybe some newer acts with young hipster appeal like 100 gecs, i tried a few times with them nope not gonna happen. i like the new charli xcx though - not sure but i think there was some relation.
one thing that i'm not even going to try but is very much *relevant to my demographic* is arca. also this new artist that PAN is pushing in my facebook feed called Eartheater. i can't get past the visual aesthetic. just not my thing really. i mean if anyone wants to rep for them maybe i'll try listening to something lol.
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Monday, 2 November 2020 22:35 (three years ago) link
oh maybe a good one actually is anohni - i feel like i should definitely like their work and keep coming back to it and have been genuinely impressed by some things but i've never fallen for it. i will probably try again with them.
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Monday, 2 November 2020 22:39 (three years ago) link
this makes me feel a little shook to admit but pj harvey kind of falls into this category for me. i genuinely love some things but a lot of her work just hasn't connected with me at all. will probably try again with her at some point though, have a feeling she'll make more sense to me in a few years.
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Monday, 2 November 2020 22:43 (three years ago) link
I like 100 gecs just fine so long as people don't go doing things like comparing them to Daphne & Celeste.
― Cabo Weibo (卡波微博) (Deflatormouse), Monday, 2 November 2020 22:57 (three years ago) link
shows how much i gaf
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Monday, 2 November 2020 23:05 (three years ago) link
wait n/m i was misreading you
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Monday, 2 November 2020 23:06 (three years ago) link
I like Murmur/Reckoning, love Automatic/Hi-fi (and even Monster to a degree), but find the praise for Document/Green/Out Of Time mystifying. Green in particular is really not for me
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 03:31 (three years ago) link
same ambivalence towards the middle period here. Document is definitely an album I “keep trying to like but can’t get into”, however.
― brimstead, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 04:26 (three years ago) link
Lifes Rich Pageant tho...
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 04:37 (three years ago) link
“Cuyahoga” rules, love Mills’ backing vox in the chorus
― brimstead, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 05:17 (three years ago) link
The insurgency began and you missed it.
― I guess I'd be lonesome (Sund4r), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 05:53 (three years ago) link
bill berry is an american hero
― just another 3-pinnochio post by (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 05:54 (three years ago) link
fgti plz re-listen to "Near Wild Heaven" and "Me In Honey", the strength of Out Of Time is the deep cuts
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 06:06 (three years ago) link
The "Half a World Away" -> "Texarkana" –> "Country Feedback" section roolz too.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 07:35 (three years ago) link
There's a lot of 'rediscovered geniuses' I can't really get into - Rodriguez, for instance, I tried playing his album yesterday and had to take it off. However I was playing the first two Bill Fay albums the other day and I liked them more than I ever had before, I like his voice.
― Young Boys of Bernie (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 12:03 (three years ago) link
It's funny. Like fgti, I cannot get into Green, but Document is an amazing record that sounds politically prescient, and as mentioned by sleeve and NNN, Out of Time is really just gorgeous.
I was actually thinking the other day about the moment when the saxophone hits on "Fireplace," how it redeems this otherwise okay song
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 12:21 (three years ago) link
I also just don't comprehend how someone can hear the opening notes of "Disturbance at the Heron House" and not become irrationally exuberant.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 12:22 (three years ago) link
I am more than good with eleven (!) R.E.M. records up to and including Up
― error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 13:55 (three years ago) link
+ Chronic Town=12
― error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 13:57 (three years ago) link
I had to give up on Jandek in the end, I think the idea trumps the reality.
― logout option: disabled (Matt #2), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 14:22 (three years ago) link
I'm with fgti on Green and Out of Time. I have actually never given Document a close listen and should remedy that. It's not that the songs aren't as good on Green and OOT; rather, it's the bright, airy production. The mystery and obscurity of the earlier stuff is gone, and the warmth and depth of AFTP and New Adventures hasn't come in yet (Monster is its own beast obv). I love lots of songs on those albums but they feel embarrassingly dated to listen to. Exceptions are when the production fills out more -- either as an aesthetic choice that works (Near Wild Heaven) or in service to the song (Orange Crush). But would love to hear what songs like You Are the Everything, Low, even Endgame would sound like if they were produced like AFTP was. I love everything up to and including Life's Rich Pageant.
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 14:38 (three years ago) link
Out Of Time is my favourite REM. Of the ones I've heard, Green is my least fave, so I don't know what that means
― Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 15:08 (three years ago) link
Other than Murmur and a few of the hits, I generally struggle with IRS era REM. it's all fuzzy and obfuscated and the songs just don't seem to stick
― Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 15:09 (three years ago) link
I hated Losing My Religion so much due to overexposure that I don't think I've ever actually listened to Out of Time in its entirety.
― joygoat, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 15:11 (three years ago) link
I like IRS-era REM because the band sounds so wired. I remember when I first heard The La's I thought "this is what I've always wanted REM and The Smiths to sound like"... all three bands are effectively "Big Star, but faster". Big Star is one of my favourite-ever bands fwiw
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 15:25 (three years ago) link
I feel that Document-to-Monster-era REM started trading a full paintbox for primary colours, the mystery sounds became scarcer. There were still many good songs, but previously the singles had been highlights of the albums; starting with The One I Love, they became more obvious, two-chord riffs or conventional ballads.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 16:02 (three years ago) link
― Young Boys of Bernie (Tom D.), Tuesday, November 3, 2020 6:03 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
yeah rodriguez was ultimately pretty mediocre, good story though
fay is amazing
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 16:11 (three years ago) link
I think I was able to respond to those mid-period R.E.M. records, and still love them, because they were bailing out before the sell-by date. The production choices said to me that they were owning the fact that the vibe and mystery of those early records was unsustainable. (Peter Buck was already 31 by the time of Document!) In that regard Green e.g. feels to me more left-field and denser with "aura" than say, Fables.
― error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 16:24 (three years ago) link
(Peter Buck was already 31 by the time of Document!)
i didn't know that! crazy
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 16:57 (three years ago) link
After Murmur and LRP, Document is my favorite REM record.
I don't 'listen' to Jandek, but I can kind of agree that the idea is much more interesting than the reality, which is...simply put, eerie and depressing.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 21:03 (three years ago) link
I find the idea of Jandek so interesting, I have never listened to the records.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 21:23 (three years ago) link
My first try with Jandek was This Narrow Road, which was one of his spoken word albums, and it kept me from trying again for a long time. I was flipping through the used CD bins and was so excited to see a copy in the wild at that point that I just grabbed it, with no idea at the time that he had even done spoken word stuff. Tried again a few years later with Ready for the House, which was much closer to what I expected to hear.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 21:37 (three years ago) link
TS: Jandek spoken word albums vs Jandek solo upright bass albums
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 21:41 (three years ago) link
in my early twenties i frequented the message board "i hate music" (which i didn't even realize at the time was named in response to ilm) and there was some guy on there who was a jandek obsessive. that board was all arty noise-adjacent white boys lol.
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 21:44 (three years ago) link
I actually kind of love it, but I lump it in with other unlistenable stuff like Reynols and Human Skab. It's interesting to listen to once and play for other people who are into weird stuff, for atmosphere on freeform radio shows, etc. Otherwise, I don't think anyone has been like "let's go home and listen to Jandek."
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 21:46 (three years ago) link
Honestly the Jandek I go back to most is the live Chicago Wednesday because it has Joshua Abrams and John McEntire made up his rhythm section.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 21:49 (three years ago) link
I haven't paid attention in years after some time in college being obsessed with him.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 21:51 (three years ago) link
The live albums can be cool, depending on the local musicians he picks up to play with him.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 21:53 (three years ago) link
lol never heard of human skab. reynols are legit though xps
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 21:54 (three years ago) link