I’m not running out of Motörhead albums to listen to yet... but anybody wanna recommend some hardass d-beat/speed metal records with strong vocals? especially anything with double bass drums a la “overkill” or Judas priest’s “exciter”
― brimstead
are you familiar with Tøronto? half of the guys who used to be in Morbus Chron; their latest might be close to what your looking for
https://dyingvictimsproductions.bandcamp.com/album/t-ronto-under-siege
― where do all these unsold amps go? (gaudio), Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:29 (three years ago) link
Hahaha oh dear, an ILX0r who I guess wishes to remain anonymous granted my request and emailed me:
-Scottish-nindie plus beats-a bit kinda druggie, I guess?
So I spent the afternoon listening to an 18 Wheeler record. Honestly, it was not as terrible as I thought a late-period Creation Records act was going to be? Past the hump of the first few songs, it got musically far more interesting than I thought it would be (kinda like a baggy Boo Radleys). Singer was absolutely dire, though. Makes me realise how much 'singer can actually do decent harmonies' is a prequisite for me - hence why Spirea X scratch my Shamen itch, they do really lovely vocal harmonies.
Looked up a picture to see if they were at all cute, GIS decided '18 wheeler band' looks like this:
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81xc2QvXBZL._SS500_.jpg
(Spoiler: unfortunately they do not look like that.)
― Branwell with an N, Thursday, 8 October 2020 19:03 (three years ago) link
hey thanks, gaudio! I will check that out
― brimstead, Thursday, 8 October 2020 20:25 (three years ago) link
hello branwell : was never bothered re anon groove.just wanted to see what you thought as you expressed interest in the spirea x album and scottish rave/pop.this was all i could come up with from the archive (along with The Apples, r.i.p Ian Stoddard, and IF?).totally agree re the vocals re 18W, they totally hold the band back.not heard their final album for a very long time until yesterday when i zipped it up etc.
still think i have some scottish rave/pop buried deep that i cannot recall at the moment.
― mark e, Thursday, 8 October 2020 20:37 (three years ago) link
Apropos of nothing: one of Spirea X is now a Glasgow based Social Worker. My wife worked alongside him and by all accounts a lovely fellow
― the article don, Thursday, 8 October 2020 21:17 (three years ago) link
xxp
nice. let me know if you enjoyed it
and obv i meant "you're looking for", as in you're welcome, brimstead
― where do all these unsold amps go? (gaudio), Thursday, 8 October 2020 21:20 (three years ago) link
Scottish 1986, and sounds a bit like the Jesus Loves Amerika version of the Shamen:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQW4C1gG5dQ
― everything, Thursday, 8 October 2020 21:38 (three years ago) link
OMG, everything - Mackenzies - A1.Mealy Mouths
YES! YES! THE ITCH IS SCRATCHED!!! Big beats PLUS big indie guitar, and ~Scottish Voice~ yes! (Haha, I don't think it's actually 'Scottish' voice per se, but there's a certain treble tonal quality to the voice that this guy has, that Colin Angus has times a million, that Sice from the Boo Radleys has, where I am just like... more of this singing, please.)
― Branwell with an N, Friday, 9 October 2020 06:42 (three years ago) link
never heard that before. i really like it.reminds me of early CHAKK.
― mark e, Friday, 9 October 2020 10:33 (three years ago) link
They were around for a couple of years as a band heavily influenced by the Fire Engines before following their heroes' swerve into glorious technology with two final 12"s (which are all versions of the same track). The Fire Engines->Win trajectory is the foundation here. There's at least 3 bands on the C86 album who trod that path (Mackenzies, Big Flame>Great Leap Forward, Age of Chance). Re the vocals, Davy Henderson has a lot to answer for there too. Branwell, I'm assuming you've checked out Win already? If not you should go there now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZWh8ezykkMThere's this lot, contemporaries of the Drop-era Shamen. With hindsight, these lyrics are hilariously brilliant.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0WS6nn7L7g
The answer to this question may involve Finitribe. They existed. Finitribe: They Existed
― everything, Friday, 9 October 2020 14:21 (three years ago) link
Not Scottish, but very nice trebly vocals over psyched-out trippy indie-techno. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCKaA6-H7ew&t=147s
― everything, Friday, 9 October 2020 14:43 (three years ago) link
Did that embed work? If not, it's Sudden Sway's Ko-Opera (1990).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCKaA6-H7ew&t=147s
― everything, Friday, 9 October 2020 14:44 (three years ago) link
Re the vocals, Davy Henderson has a lot to answer for there too. Branwell, I'm assuming you've checked out Win already? If not you should go there now.― everything, Friday, 9 October 2020 14:21
― everything, Friday, 9 October 2020 14:21
OMG, I had not, but I have now, and wow, yes, that scratches the itch very nicely, thank you for the rec!
(Also, while playing 'is this Scot hot or not?' the following image appeared, warning: may involve past ILX0rs of yore)
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/FkQ3vyH2elIdauvI-DvD8eMHiE1lCd_sXCNURuEr05rf_mVKtF13wIyrSm80rgM97ZQ3-9w
I expect one of these days I am going to have to dive deeper into Finitribe but I'm scared.
― Branwell with an N, Friday, 9 October 2020 15:15 (three years ago) link
Wait, OMG, Davy Henderson is ... HIM!?!?!? As in, that guy? Without whom, Freaky Trigger and by extension ILM wouldn't even exist?
Hahaha OK the joke is on me, yes, this is a cheeky boshing Scottish art-prankster A++ ripe for crushing just kill me now
― Branwell with an N, Friday, 9 October 2020 15:39 (three years ago) link
Momus's eyewear there seems inspired by the traditional Scottish square sausage.
― everything, Friday, 9 October 2020 16:06 (three years ago) link
yup.so glad to see WIN getting a mention (think i mentioned them in the email to you Branwell).after WIN, Ian went onto form The Apples.a couple of singles, a very low key release of an album, and that was it.i bloody loved The Apples.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmS3ek1k1Cc
― mark e, Friday, 9 October 2020 18:18 (three years ago) link
Haha, oh god I didn't realise when you wrote 'Scot Pop Heroes WIN' that WIN was a *band* and not a comment on Scottish pop heroes - "for the win!" I am really dumb. (That particular email address goes into a tab in my work browser so I'm sorry that replies there tend to be really distracted and cursory inbetween programming jobs.)
― Branwell with an N, Friday, 9 October 2020 19:26 (three years ago) link
Wow, that Apples track is so so sooooo 1991 (in a delightful way, because *I* am from 1991) but wow, it is so of its time!
― Branwell with an N, Friday, 9 October 2020 19:27 (three years ago) link
glad the penny dropped.a couple of years ago i decided to track The Apples album down (don't think it ever got a full proper release in the uk).it is so so good.not WIN level good, but very little is.as you say, very very timestamped.in a good way.
re ian : https://www.jockrock.org/news/ian-stoddart-rip/
― mark e, Friday, 9 October 2020 19:35 (three years ago) link
gaudio this Tøronto album is sick, thank u
― brimstead, Friday, 9 October 2020 19:48 (three years ago) link
yes, yes it is!
― where do all these unsold amps go? (gaudio), Sunday, 11 October 2020 17:58 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eij0h_X6Fwc
― xzanfar, Sunday, 11 October 2020 18:40 (three years ago) link
This might be a little niche, but I'm currently listening to a lot of huge natural electroacoustic/drone stuff (Deep Listening Band, Stuart Dempster, David Hykes - stuff that sounds like earth exhalations) and would really like some recommendations if anyone has any.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 19:47 (three years ago) link
organum, loren chasse, I think you know Köner already, tom heasley (tuba thru delays etc), duane pitre "bayou electric", maybe christophe charles?
― massaman gai (front tea for two), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 18:28 (three years ago) link
Been really in the mood for spoken word shit lately, but preferably desolate or depressing, like Dead Flag Blues by Godspeed or Freedom by Mingus. I’m not picky on the type of music, just looking for spoken word desolation vibes, if anyone’s got any.
― Will (kruezer2), Thursday, 5 November 2020 02:00 (three years ago) link
I want more "ambient country" like this Chris Bathgate song - sort of like if william tyler type stuff had vocals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRdKvn7SfYo
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 5 November 2020 02:07 (three years ago) link
Chinaski - if you want drones then check out the Low Point catalogue, from my home town: https://lowpoint.bandcamp.com/music
― emil.y, Thursday, 5 November 2020 03:06 (three years ago) link
check out Hymnambulae, a Swedish brother/sister electroacoustic duo who would fit in here. Their second album Nausikaa uses voice recordings from the poet Gunnar Ekelöf and feels a lot like those GYBE breakdowns
https://hymnambulae.bandcamp.com/album/nausikaa
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 5 November 2020 03:41 (three years ago) link
Also Current 93's 'I Have A Special Plan For this Word' may work gloomily well for you.
― Maresn3st, Thursday, 5 November 2020 14:12 (three years ago) link
*World oops
― Maresn3st, Thursday, 5 November 2020 14:13 (three years ago) link
Cheers for the drone recommendations. Tom Heasley very much what I was after. And I love Gareth Hardwick (it's his label right, emil.y?). I'm going to play Sunday Afternoon later.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Thursday, 5 November 2020 21:01 (three years ago) link
The 'ambient country' thing is puzzling me, Simon H, because I can think of a bunch of the more ambient end (most of which is pushing into wide open desert music material) but nothing with vocals. That Bathgate track is gorgeous; shout if you find anything else!
Probably for the desert thread, but Suss are lovely:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjEH-cduaDo
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Thursday, 5 November 2020 21:49 (three years ago) link
this may be a terrible description, but can anyone recommend me some ✨ microtonal ambient with pitch wheel shenanigans ✨, similar to Sun Electric's "Newambi"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSbAgE-8Yus
Eno's On Land is the most obvious influence I can hear, but it isn't really the same thing. bonus points if you have any idea what traditional ("world music") genre Sun Electric are drawing upon. I thought "Newambi" might mean something in another language, but nope, it's probably just "new ambi(ence)"
― unregistered, Tuesday, 10 November 2020 03:23 (three years ago) link
I can think of a bunch of the more ambient end but nothing with vocals
the king creosote/jon hopkins collaborations are sort of in this wheelhouse a bit too it just now occurs to me, though they're generally a bit more "active" than what I had in mind
this Suss track is a beaut, thanks!
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 10 November 2020 03:47 (three years ago) link
First thing I think of re: "ambient country" is Scott Tuma's first solo record:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3o-XGfaPu8
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 10 November 2020 03:50 (three years ago) link
Tuma is magnificent. His Not for Nobody album probably fits here too. I wonder about Headfull by King Black Acid?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVeL20DJgAI
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Tuesday, 10 November 2020 10:02 (three years ago) link
There must be a shit ton of these but I'm blanking a bit: I'm gong to call it 'soft, sad horns' as in things like Pink Mountains' Snow is Falling on Manhattan and Tindersticks' Patchwork. Exquisite warmth and resignation.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 20 November 2020 18:54 (three years ago) link
hmm what about Virðulegu Forsetar by Jóhann Jóhannsson?
― brimstead, Friday, 20 November 2020 19:26 (three years ago) link
oh but that’s more “ambient” music actually, sorry
i may be taking you too literally but i recommend The Westerlies.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvKByGmoOE4
― Four Seasons Total Manscaping (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 November 2020 21:06 (three years ago) link
'soft, sad horns' as in things like Pink Mountains' Snow is Falling on Manhattan and Tindersticks' Patchwork. Exquisite warmth and resignation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evpvu6WD6UI
― down like 6:30 (morrisp), Friday, 20 November 2020 21:46 (three years ago) link
Oh this Mayo Thompson is just the thing, cheers. The Westerlies is lovely too.
I guess Nixon would be the motherlode for a lot of the soft sad horns thing.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 20 November 2020 21:59 (three years ago) link
The Mountain Goats song "In Memory of Satan" has an absolutely gorgeous-sounding horn arrangement that is so soft and billowing you could throw it underneath someone who just fainted, to keep them from hurting their head on the floor
― handsome boy modelling software (bernard snowy), Saturday, 21 November 2020 01:44 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5WH18sg0Hw
― early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 21 November 2020 02:18 (three years ago) link
Epic Soundtracks and Mountain Goats tracks both gorgeous, cheers.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 27 November 2020 16:21 (three years ago) link
As an old indie kid I feel like I should be much more useful in providing soft, sad horns but damn, I am blanking on this.
― emil.y, Friday, 27 November 2020 16:39 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUa78y4k2aw
― early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 29 November 2020 21:39 (three years ago) link
tons of maher shalal hash baz
Are there any more game soundtrack songs that sound anything along these lines, I'm sure there must be?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEpR6wH4RJs
― Maresn3st, Sunday, 29 November 2020 22:10 (three years ago) link
never heard that before, pretty bazonkers and sui generis
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 November 2020 00:04 (three years ago) link
soft sad horns =https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUlX4WeA-3w
― discogs marketplace of ideas (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 November 2020 00:10 (three years ago) link
i'm looking for instrumental solo albums, ie one instrument. Preferably pretty, vibey, moody, minimal. Examples include Mary Lattimore, Mary Halvorson, many of the tracks on this <a href="https://open.spotify.com/album/6eKMfZuW64vh3wnI6VkabD?si=oaM9gwt6SVWvx6kbYOlofQ">i never meta guitar</a> comp, Glen Velez, etc.
Solo piano is disqualified (unless it's prepared or electric, sorry but I make the rules)
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 3 December 2020 23:00 (three years ago) link
oops
Also in the act of posting this, I found a Cthulu-themed solo marimba album on Bandcamp with a fantastic description:
https://paytonmacdonald.bandcamp.com/album/solo-marimba-commissions-vol-4
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 3 December 2020 23:02 (three years ago) link
One rekkid that springs to mind is David Torn's 'Only Sky'
― Maresn3st, Thursday, 3 December 2020 23:06 (three years ago) link
I keep thinking about 'soft, sad horns' but also 'triumphant horns', which must be more common. Not an obvious example, but this came to mind (final verse):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR32O2vXLHQ
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 12 February 2021 19:49 (three years ago) link
OK, so, for a long time I've been aching to hear what could be best described as "Sandy Denny backed by stoner/doom/sludge." I know there's gotta be plenty of stuff out there that sounds like this, but I haven't found it yet. That Emma Ruth Rundle/Thou record from last year came close to scratching this itch, but it was too metal and not-at-all folk. Help me out, ILX!
― feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Thursday, 1 April 2021 14:16 (three years ago) link
i'm looking for instrumental solo albums, ie one instrument.I assume you’re aware of these? – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solos_(Matthew_Friedberger_album)
― beer drops on my keytar (morrisp), Thursday, 1 April 2021 14:44 (three years ago) link
xp Heron Oblivion?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNgij4jBNJI
― cwkiii, Thursday, 1 April 2021 15:02 (three years ago) link
This is good! More psych-rock than the doomsludge I'm seeking, but real good regardless
― feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Thursday, 1 April 2021 15:21 (three years ago) link
Cool! I was worried it wasn't metal enough but figured it was worth throwing out there. :)
I was listening to The Tony Williams Lifetime record Turn It Over the other day and wishing I knew of more records that sounded like it. Can anyone point me in the direction of more evil, heavy rock music played by jazz musicians that it doesn't feel right to call fusion?
― cwkiii, Thursday, 1 April 2021 16:14 (three years ago) link
dan weiss' starebaby albums?
― adam, Saturday, 3 April 2021 11:27 (three years ago) link
Thanks! I've never heard of him, but just looked up Starebaby and saw that the band includes Trevor Dunn, Craig Taborn and Matt Mitchell, so this looks like it's right up my alley.
― cwkiii, Saturday, 3 April 2021 19:59 (three years ago) link
sorry i was on my phone when i posted that or i would have also linked to this very good piece: https://burningambulance.com/2020/10/06/starebaby-2/
― adam, Saturday, 3 April 2021 20:35 (three years ago) link
so i'd like to hear some late 70s / early 80s r+b that's not really disco, but more focused on ballads or mid-tempo numbers. i put on some later minnie riperton with the hope that it was what i was wanting, but it's too schmaltzy with all the orchestrations. something a little more stripped down with a lot of fender rhodes. thinking like a quiet storm, but less "BIG" arrangements, if that makes sense.
any thoughts?
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 8 April 2021 16:40 (three years ago) link
Heron Oblivion def gets the most towards Sandy Denny, but also in the 21 century Fairport/Doom sweepstakes
Blood Ceremony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8anMLvwa7I
Esben and the Witchhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WckSWlEf2nM
― Citole Country (bendy), Monday, 12 April 2021 21:03 (three years ago) link
I'm slowly building a playlist called 'Drifting'. It's stuff that kind of gently skitters. There must be a name for the particular kind of drum pattern/BPM but probably easier to just list a few of the tracks.
Underworld - Dune (Single Version)Move D - Let's Call It A DayEddie Chacon - Sundown (Gigi Masin remix)Neu! - SeelandDirections - Echoes (Continental Drift Version)
What else moves like this?
― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Monday, 26 February 2024 21:56 (three months ago) link
Tomaga- Intimate IntensityJoan Bibiloni - Sa FoscaJeff Parker - After The Rain Molero - Jaguar Capybara
― your mom goes to limgrave (dog latin), Tuesday, 27 February 2024 00:41 (three months ago) link
Hope I got the right idea
I take it you mean something more specific than just general Balearic-adjacent jams?
― your mom goes to limgrave (dog latin), Tuesday, 27 February 2024 00:43 (three months ago) link
Thanks for the recommendations. All gorgeous tracks. I think the Biblioni drifts (lol) too far into Balearic (though the sound is, as you say, verging on that scene) and the Parker too insistent and 'on the one'.
The specific thing I'm thinking of revolves around a regular skittery drum pattern (somewhere between 110-130bpm?) and stays with it.
― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Tuesday, 27 February 2024 08:28 (three months ago) link
'70s/'80s German takes on what I understand this sound to be:
Wolfgang RiechmannDeutsche WertarbeitHarald Grosskopf
While looking up the youtubes to attach, it turns out all of these have been reissued by Bureau B so that may be a good place to look further. Also, you get TWO guys painted silvery blue, how can you not want that?
― emil.y, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 14:46 (three months ago) link
Love all of those (and the blue paint just *works*). Maybe a bit propulsive to be truly skittery but the Deutsche Wertarbeit is definitely going on the list.
Looking back at the original list, I realise my inclusion of Neu! is plain confusing. I guess it's a more straightforward 'songs that have the same insistent yet skittery beat as Custard Speedtalk'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtU2Yi2xgGE
― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Tuesday, 27 February 2024 16:09 (three months ago) link
I think a lot of it is down to walking and how certain tracks act almost like Google glasses, painting the landscape in glitter as you move.
― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Tuesday, 27 February 2024 16:12 (three months ago) link
Ah yeah, I see what you mean - I was concentrating more on the vibes of the top lines which do match, and while none of the ones I suggested have what I'd consider 'heavy' beats they aren't very skittery. I'm sure some stuff I loved in the '90s would be right for this, but knowing my brain it won't give up any names easily. Maybe Bowery Electric??
― emil.y, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 16:30 (three months ago) link
Pole comes to mind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGlPCAE3_uM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKrjdL0ycx4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n_8EUjM-MY
― bendy, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 18:47 (three months ago) link
A track like Tanzen by Pole might work
― your mom goes to limgrave (dog latin), Saturday, 2 March 2024 10:22 (three months ago) link
Oh bendy literally just said this