I wish he'd produced all of Return to Saturn. "New" is one of the few great songs they released post-Tragic Kingdom.
― beamish13, Thursday, 8 October 2020 16:55 (three years ago) link
I know nothing of Big Head Todd and the Monsters beyond the fact that their lead vocalist appeared on an episodeof The Real World many years ago and supposedly slept with one of the cast members.
― beamish13, Thursday, 8 October 2020 16:57 (three years ago) link
It's almost awe-inspiring to me how a guy with such an impeccable musical pedigree can spend last 30(!) years working exclusively with so many utterly no-account doofuses. "We really loved the sound of those mid-period Stroke 9 records, and so we knew Jerry was the guy we had to call." Incredible.
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Thursday, 8 October 2020 16:57 (three years ago) link
― beamish13, Thursday, October 8, 2020 9:55 AM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
return of saturn >>>>>> tragic kingdom, which has phenomenal singles and pretty fallow album tracks
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:00 (three years ago) link
"new" is great tho
the Von Bondies album is solid
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:07 (three years ago) link
I think it's weird that he's spending all this time doing Kenny Wayne Shepard and String Cheese Incident albums and then just last year pivots to Le Butcherettes.
― 📺👁️ (peace, man), Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:09 (three years ago) link
None of these are surprising, because none of these are albums I have either heard or want to hear, which is exactly what I would expect from a "produced by Jerry Harrison" credit.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:12 (three years ago) link
Throwing Copper gets my vote. It was my favorite album as a fourth grader so it's hard for me to be objective about it, but I think it holds up pretty well. Return Of Saturn is great too.
― J. Sam, Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:31 (three years ago) link
return of saturn really shouldn't be here imo, except for "new" it's a glen ballard joint
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:39 (three years ago) link
Josh, you have definitely heard some of these. to post otherwise is just outrageous.
― bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:42 (three years ago) link
i also don't understand why you'd expect jerry harrison to produce albums you've never heard. he was a beatle after all (shout out to U Talkin' Talking Heads 2 My Talking Head podcast).
― bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:44 (three years ago) link
I've heard songs from some, but swear to god I've not heard any of those albums.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:45 (three years ago) link
Forgot about that Poi Dog production
― She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:51 (three years ago) link
xpost And as I posted on a TH thread, the band was truly greater than the sum of its parts. I don't think there was anything about Harrison in particular that would have attracted me to a project. THs are one of my all times, but for a Beatles comparison, I still think of them as, like, three Ringos and a George.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:54 (three years ago) link
Where’s that one Psychefunkapus album?
― She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:02 (three years ago) link
LOL, that's literally one I *have* heard!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:05 (three years ago) link
Oh shit, the Surfin' on Jupiter guys?
― 📺👁️ (peace, man), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:16 (three years ago) link
voted Crash Test Dummies
― we're ommaway to nowhere (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:16 (three years ago) link
It's like his intention was to ensure that the cut-out bin would remain perpetually stocked.
― OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:18 (three years ago) link
lol
― 📺👁️ (peace, man), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:20 (three years ago) link
Lolx2
― She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:20 (three years ago) link
So much terrible music, I can't in good conscience vote for any of it.
From the Femmes wiki:
Members of the band said they were unhappy with the choice of Harrison as producer, with Ritchie saying, "We knew Jerry and he'd seen us live and, uh, he didn't like it... And when I heard the reasons that he didn't like it, well, they were the reasons why we do like it! We didn't think he was right to produce music as weird as ours." Gano further claimed that Harrison had been suggested by Warners, "solely on the basis that he lives in Milwaukee, because we'd stipulated to them that we had to record there. This was outrageous from their point of view.
Weird, somehow I didn't know he was from/in Milwaukee.
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:25 (three years ago) link
He’s now the only Head on the West Coast. He’s lived in Malibu for some years
― beamish13, Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:27 (three years ago) link
he tried to release an album under the moniker "The Only Head on the West Coast" but David Byrne sued.
― bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:38 (three years ago) link
Voted for Fatima Mansions because I own it and adore it and had NO IDEA Jerry produced it! It's so un-Talking Heads, that's for sure.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:39 (three years ago) link
OAR ewww
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:39 (three years ago) link
would be fun to slip one absurd album into this list to see if fresh eyes could find it
― bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:41 (three years ago) link
would have made for a much better poll tbh
― bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:42 (three years ago) link
a new poll genre
1994 four Blues Traveler
― bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:43 (three years ago) link
who finds it?
1997 Whatever and Ever Amen Ben Folds Five
― bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:45 (three years ago) link
2007 Courage to Grow Rebelution
― bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:46 (three years ago) link
all of these pass
What was that artist you all got worked up about years ago, Denny Vertigo?
― She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:51 (three years ago) link
Maybe even Denny Lethargy.
― She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:53 (three years ago) link
LIGHTNING CRASHES,
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 8 October 2020 19:14 (three years ago) link
1998 Hard to Swallow Vanilla Ice
― OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Thursday, 8 October 2020 19:21 (three years ago) link
responsible for an awful lot of dross from the 90's, Jesus. ugh.
― akm, Thursday, 8 October 2020 19:32 (three years ago) link
2002 An Awful Lot of Dross From the 90s Jesus. Ugh.
― bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 8 October 2020 19:39 (three years ago) link
It's like that one Spy cartoon of Dan Aykroyd's desk with his Accept Box overflowing with scripts alongside an empty Reject Box.
― She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 October 2020 19:47 (three years ago) link
He's the Rick Rubin of acts that want to be forgotten as quickly as possible.
― OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Thursday, 8 October 2020 20:00 (three years ago) link
celebrity endorser of the iHome line of bluetooth speakers
― bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 8 October 2020 20:05 (three years ago) link
sits on the control room couch, awake and engaged, during tracking sessions.
― bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 8 October 2020 20:07 (three years ago) link
was he a producer for hire or a Warners staff producer? Both?
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 October 2020 20:10 (three years ago) link
Maybe he was following in the footsteps of John Cale, with less spectacular results.
― She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 October 2020 20:12 (three years ago) link
He probably forgot to wear a cape.
― She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 October 2020 20:13 (three years ago) link
This list is so "college rock" in the sense of what jewel boxes littered the most floors of dorm rooms, as opposed to what was played on college radio stations.
― Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Thursday, 8 October 2020 20:30 (three years ago) link
Lol. Extra lol since I originally read that as "jeweled bones."
― She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 October 2020 20:34 (three years ago) link
I have never heard of Cathal and/or Microdisney/Fatima Mansions until exactly an hour ago and I'm suddenly extremely obsessed
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 19 October 2020 16:06 (three years ago) link
Microdisney are phenomenal. Do you know Sean O'Hagan? He got his start there as well...
― afriendlypioneer, Monday, 19 October 2020 17:33 (three years ago) link
Oh yes, I know his stuff... never been a fan! always preferred Stereolab without him and never cottoned to the High Llamas. I love all the Cathal-related stuff I listened to this morning, though! Fatima Mansions isn't on Tidal but I just was Youtube playlisting it and was delighted, Cathal has a proto-Falkous vibe or something. Haven't figured out if I agree with his politics yet ha
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 19 October 2020 19:45 (three years ago) link
Hands up, who are the three ilxors that voted for the same String Cheese Incident album? I wouldn't have been surprised to see them get a joke vote or two, but three for the same album?
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 19 October 2020 19:53 (three years ago) link
it's true. kenny wayne arguably as surprising but suffered some vote splitting.
― seven day permanence (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 19 October 2020 20:08 (three years ago) link
failed to keep the herd moving in one direction
― seven day permanence (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 19 October 2020 20:12 (three years ago) link
or failed to herd the flock in one direction, sorry
― seven day permanence (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 19 October 2020 20:14 (three years ago) link
Big interview with Jerry in the new TapeOp. Seems like a nice, thoughtful guy, too bad he seems to think sales are what make an album a success.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 February 2023 21:45 (one year ago) link
Intriguing. I will read that. I should note that Frantz's memoir and interviews DO seem to dwell a bit on how:
(a) Byrne habitually stole credit for communally written material.
(b) LOL it's ok because Tom Tom Club sold a lot of records. Also ha ha samples.
I haven't delved into Jerry's side of this. But I will admit that Chris is both morally right (dude, just because you're the frontman/singer doesn't mean you get all the credit) and factually right (Tom Tom Club DID sell an awful lot of records).
At the same time, they're all globally famous and pretty rich. There is a limit to how much I want to hear about them as victims, thxbye
― forbidden fruit salad (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 2 February 2023 22:04 (one year ago) link
I never know how rich musicians are in an era when streaming accounts for income. I guess Frantz + Weymouth saved their Heads dough and/or invested well?
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 February 2023 22:25 (one year ago) link
I found the jus'-folks tone of Frantz's memoir often irritating tbh.
Royalties from "Genius of Love"? Production points on mediocre records that nonetheless sold well enough for the era, getting while the getting was good? Real estate?
Harrison is in a different category, given the list at the top of the thread. He must have made a mint from "Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm" alone.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 February 2023 22:30 (one year ago) link
jus'folks? OK, perhaps true overall but near the end of the memoir...
(SPOILER ALERT)
Chris is on a yachting vacation in the Caribbean with his loving family. and needs to temporarily jet away to attend rehab for cocaine. And everyone knows, and it's totally cool, because hey, stuff happens.
Let it be said that I have been personally enriched by these people. Their art has defined most of my life since May 1986. My eldest sister was graduating from high school. I was a freshman sitting in the bleachers. She'd lent me her cassette copy of "Little Creatures" and my Walkman sent forth the following words: "And she was lying in the grass." I was hooked forever. One of their songs is among my open-mic mandolin standards.
At the same time, I have never interrupted a Jamaican yachting vacation to charter a plane to go back to New York so that I could go to a cocaine rehab session.
YMMV, carry on
― forbidden fruit salad (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 2 February 2023 22:42 (one year ago) link
being a Belew fan I thought about trying to catch Harrison and his REmain in Light show when it comes back to the bay area, but watching some live videos I don't think it's for me. Belew and Harrison are fine, but the backup singers I can do without, and they have a bassist sing a fair number of the songs (and Harrison sings a lot, which I wasn't expecting).
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 2 February 2023 23:00 (one year ago) link
I wonder if Jerry got a decent check for Virtual Reality in Ready Player One
― Cinta Kaz is comin' to town (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 2 February 2023 23:19 (one year ago) link
Bill Bottrell's OST check for Send Me on My Way is probably much larger bit less noticed amongst the Michael Jackson deposits.
― Cinta Kaz is comin' to town (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 2 February 2023 23:26 (one year ago) link
ommaway
Rusted Root Neologisms
― forbidden fruit salad (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 2 February 2023 23:32 (one year ago) link
Frantz seems like kind of a bitter guy
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 February 2023 23:35 (one year ago) link
(a) Kinda, albeit in a genial way and (b) Can you blame him for a tinge of bitterness?
We as a borad continually dwell on stories about domineering frontpeople robbing credit from their alleged sidepeople. And we are often on the side of the sidepeople (cf. recent Police and Beatle discussions).
Frantz does dwell overmuch on it, yes. And it will be sad if he's 80 years old and still dissing Byrne in this sideways way.
But the dude has the germ of a point, yes?
― forbidden fruit salad (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 2 February 2023 23:44 (one year ago) link
I only blame him for shouting in an oscar the grouch voice "Who dat? Who dat? Now who dat tryin' to be bad? Your mother!" during an otherwise enjoyable performance.
― Cinta Kaz is comin' to town (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 3 February 2023 00:03 (one year ago) link
― And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 3 February 2023 02:03 (one year ago) link
A lot of people fit that description, as YMP says, including one other guy…hey wait!
― And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 3 February 2023 02:05 (one year ago) link
Byrne's solo catalog might be thoroughly mediocre, but he's released a dozen or so albums, a couple of them good, a couple great. And had plenty of other projects and collaborations and tours. And won an Oscar. And got nominated again this year. Even generously giving the scales a tip in favor of the first Tom Tom Club album, if Frantz had something to prove, he would have done so by now.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 3 February 2023 02:23 (one year ago) link
Regarding Jerry’s net worth, David Bowman’s mostly excellent but distractedly VERY anti-Weymouth opens with a description of him building a new home in Malibu.
― beamish13, Friday, 3 February 2023 02:38 (one year ago) link
Doesn't that book also say he earned "Monopoly Man money" from the albums he produced by Live (i.e. wheelbarrows of cash)?
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 3 February 2023 15:44 (one year ago) link
Yeah I think Jerry and Chris and Tina have generally done fine, cashflow-wise. If there were a neglected Head who was languishing in poverty and waiting for some restitution, maybe that would feel like a severe injustice.
As it stands, I can safely regard any extant core Talking Heads acrimony as arguments among millionaires.
If I were going to get morally exercised about anything, it would be the external magicians who made the excellent Stop Making Sense-era "extended" band so fucking awesome. Let us now sing the praises of: Lynn Mabry, Ednah Hole, Steve Scales, Bernie Worrell, Alex Weir.
If THOSE people haven't been sufficiently remunerated and praised, imma fight someone. I feel like Chris and Tina and Jerry will be fine.
― forbidden fruit salad (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 3 February 2023 16:31 (one year ago) link
sorry Ednah Holt
― forbidden fruit salad (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 3 February 2023 16:32 (one year ago) link
Believe Bernie might have had bigger problems getting compensated for his P-Funk-related activities iirc.
― And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 3 February 2023 17:02 (one year ago) link
I hope Bernie is doing fine, of course. Dude is solid.
That said, my guess is he won't be writing a book in 20 years stewing about how David Byrne hogged his credits 40 years ago or whatever.
I am generous with my advocacy and with my sympathies. I feel like Byrne's contributions to the culture have been adequately recognized. I am generally optimistic that his bandmates will be generally okay (despite some understandable prickliness). Until I hear otherwise I will optimistically assume that their collaborators and sidepersons have gotten, or will get, their due.
p.s. I think we can all agree that the expanded Heads lineup was among the greatest supergroups ever, and that their work will be eternal. I love minimalist punky early Heads too, but the expanded Heads sound is among my favorite things ever.
Let us imagine that malevolent aliens showed up and demanded a reason why they should not obliterate or planet. Let us further imagine that they want to see a representative cultural product that encapsulates the best we have to offer. I would probably play them an Ella and Louis record first, and Stop Making Sense second.
― forbidden fruit salad (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 3 February 2023 17:25 (one year ago) link
Tina and Chris will plaything aliens Boom Boom Chi Boom Boom
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 February 2023 17:29 (one year ago) link
Will play for
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 February 2023 17:30 (one year ago) link
Bernie Worrell died in 2016 my friends
― Pierre Delecto, Friday, 3 February 2023 17:33 (one year ago) link
How Trump will begin his nomination speech in 2024.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 February 2023 17:34 (one year ago) link
Volo Volo by Poi Dog Pondering is a great album. Never realized JH produced it.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 3 February 2023 17:35 (one year ago) link
Too coherent. Xpost
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 February 2023 17:35 (one year ago) link
My high school bandmate is playing percussion on this tour ... I'm inclined to see it for that reason. He said the first leg in the fall was a blast.
― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 3 February 2023 17:35 (one year ago) link
Isn't the bassist from Belew's band? She's great.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 3 February 2023 17:49 (one year ago) link
I had a friend who was in Poi Dog. Don't recall any JH stories, mostly the one about Nick Lowe buying them pints in a pub or him sleeping in and missing out on Prince's pancakes at Paisley Park.
― And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 3 February 2023 17:52 (one year ago) link
Re: Worrell, oops, my bad. Sorry. RIP.
― forbidden fruit salad (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 3 February 2023 17:57 (one year ago) link
Oh yeah, I seem to remember something about Jerry telling them he wished that David B would put the band back together.
― And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 3 February 2023 17:59 (one year ago) link
julie slick? she wasn't with the band in the videos I saw from the tour last year but I don't know about this time.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 3 February 2023 18:10 (one year ago) link
Yeah, she's in the band now.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 3 February 2023 18:13 (one year ago) link
I guarantee Bernie got fucked out of money by George Clinton
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 12 February 2023 14:37 (one year ago) link