Thanks for the C.O.B. tip. Will investigate.
― Duke, Thursday, 8 October 2020 13:48 (three years ago) link
With Autechre, it's always hard for me to explain how it is I feel about them. Actually agree with "sound of a hospital hallway" but there can be something fascinating in the sterility and coldness?
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Thursday, 8 October 2020 14:09 (three years ago) link
Not enough grime and human misery to match my experience of Montreal hospitals.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 8 October 2020 14:17 (three years ago) link
lol
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Thursday, 8 October 2020 14:22 (three years ago) link
Sunday November 8th 10pm (U.K. time)Green Gartside and @rhodri will be our hosts for a @LlSTENlNG_PARTY featuring @scrittipolitti’s work of genius, Cupid & Psyche 85Join us pic.twitter.com/fJ46PGObri— Tim Burgess (@Tim_Burgess) October 8, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 8 October 2020 14:23 (three years ago) link
i do not associate autechre with hospital hallways or sterility and coldness. they are wayyyyy too fonky for that
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 8 October 2020 14:23 (three years ago) link
Yeah, that's what I don't really get out of it.
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Thursday, 8 October 2020 14:25 (three years ago) link
for me even at their furthest out they have an undeniable sense of groove, always some rhythmic pocket their spiderwebs of percussion are weaving around, always the product of two people who seem to really love both boom bap and acid, and each album is like here is the latest unrecognizable collision/evolution of that
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 8 October 2020 14:30 (three years ago) link
I enjoy the first two Autechre albums, for sure, and appreciate up through (but not including) Confield.
Autechre remind me of that Flying Lotus tweet, paraphrased: "I spent 10% of my time using Ableton to realize my ideas, and 90% of my time fighting Ableton to make it actually sound good". I appreciate the craft of what they're doing from Confield onward, but wish that the sound world wasn't so "sounding like Max/MSP" all the time.
I listened to the entire NTS collection and it was stuffed with interesting ideas, I was interested in it but never immersed. I was sitting there wishing there was some outboard device with the specific intention of replicating something like the Nord Modular but using analog circuitry-- could such a thing be designed to interface with what Max/MSP does? Something that would rely on outboard sound generation? idk.
All in all I find it more rewarding to listen to random Buchla improvisations on Youtube-- effectively the same deal, but sonically far more enriched.
Also, too-- I think of RDJ's "return to analog" Analord series, and how, although it was uneven, it functioned as an excellent "reset" and made me appreciate Syro that much more. I'd love to hear Autechre do something like that? but they seem generally to be in the business of doing their own thing ha
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 8 October 2020 15:56 (three years ago) link
that pretty much sums up my take on Autechre as well, thanks!
― sleeve, Thursday, 8 October 2020 16:00 (three years ago) link
great post, fgti
i still enjoy their new work a bunch, but i get where you're coming from for sure. it does seem hard to imagine autechre doing a Analord style "reset", not because they're incapable of it but because their MO very much seems to be iteration toward...the omniaudiosphere, or something
― president of my cat (Karl Malone), Thursday, 8 October 2020 16:19 (three years ago) link
omniaudiosphere = automated generative always morphing endless, etc
i find their project kind of fascinating and they seem to be doubled-down on it when almost all of their IDM peers have reinvented themselves many times over. so i'm cool with seeing how far they can push it, at the expense of a new direction
― president of my cat (Karl Malone), Thursday, 8 October 2020 16:21 (three years ago) link
Well, the “hey you guys realize we can just shit interesting sounds at this point” vibe of NTS was pretty illuminating— and mind-bogglingly impressive
But it somewhat reminds me of a similar vein-that-has-been-mined in music history: tone row-based serialism. I could, too, shit material with that process, and always find ways of making it “interesting”— it’s like, once a utopian form of autogeneration has been invented, it becomes obsolete— enduring music needs to overcome obstacles, not be factory-created?
At the same time, a close friend of mine started shaking and crying when he met Autechre and there is literally no other musician for whom he’d have that reaction
So maybe it’s just “not for me” heh
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:00 (three years ago) link
Do you mean integral serialism? Bc I don't think of regular 12-tone row-based music as factory-generated/autogenerative at all.
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:07 (three years ago) link
Whatever it's called, I always forget the specifics of the terms
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:23 (three years ago) link
Guys, take it on over to Rolling Music Theory Thread
― She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:24 (three years ago) link
Should have obscured that a bit, I'm off my game today.
― She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:25 (three years ago) link
I was actually just wondering what you meant fwiw. I write and play music with 12-tone rows - the rows are just repertoires of pitch material for me, like the notes and chords of a given key are in tonal music. Integral serialism, where every musical element is serialized, is another kettle of fish. There are def Boulez/Stockhausen/Babbitt pieces I love listening to but yeah, not something I play or write.
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:48 (three years ago) link
I am also baffled by ISB love. It goes like this: Critics compare them to bands and sounds I adore, I try for a while to get into them, find that I dislike everything that they do, and wonder what those critics here that I cannot.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Saturday, 10 October 2020 17:41 (three years ago) link
Lol ridiculous misspellings in that post, apologies
to agree with points above, find ISB not my thing with a couple of exceptions but love COB
― buzza, Saturday, 10 October 2020 22:11 (three years ago) link
I consider myself an Incredible String Band fan, but sometimes the singing or the whimsy (or the whimsical singing) is totally off-putting.
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 10 October 2020 22:32 (three years ago) link
I like ISB, but don’t play them often. Definitely have to be in the right mood. I’m actually a bigger fan of their latter-day stuff, play Hard Rope and Silken Twine way more often than Hangman’s.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Saturday, 10 October 2020 22:56 (three years ago) link
What’s the problem with the International Submarine Band?
― She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 10 October 2020 23:28 (three years ago) link
I can't stop misreading as "IBS".
― Evan, Sunday, 11 October 2020 03:00 (three years ago) link
Lol
― She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 11 October 2020 03:01 (three years ago) link
Fair enough, that's what they sound like.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Sunday, 11 October 2020 10:56 (three years ago) link
Emerson, Lake & Palmer and The Smiths and Morrissey and anything Bernard Sumner sings on and The Clash and Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark and New Order for starters!
― xzanfar, Sunday, 11 October 2020 18:55 (three years ago) link
That's a heavy list.
The one that many people find surprising, knowing me and my tastes, is my inability to get into The Fall. I just don't get it.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Sunday, 11 October 2020 20:53 (three years ago) link
"Critics compare them to bands and sounds I adore"
Who are ISB compared to? Was listening to Wee Tam last night, and I love the way they can shape a bunch of lyrics (esp in their longer tracks) and then put in an instrument or sounds that are almost thrown in from nowhere into this ever-growing music. The sitar can sound so integrated, whereas with other groups it's part of an arrangement.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 11 October 2020 22:30 (three years ago) link
Maybe it's just lazy critics-- back in the New Weird America shit, ISB were often mentioned in reviews of Espers and Wooden Wand and more ornate chamber folk stuff. I was just unable to hear it, and tbh hated that second Espers album, but I've tried to come back to ISB since and they've never taken
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Sunday, 11 October 2020 23:12 (three years ago) link
I've tried listening to Radiohead (especially Kid A) many times over the years and while they are certainly a band I respect, I'm about to give up on actually enjoying their music. I just think I might have to reckon with the idea that I dislike Radiohead in general, though I liked A Moon Shaped Pool at the time for whatever reason
― Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 11 October 2020 23:17 (three years ago) link
It’s Radiohead for me as well. I just gave Kid A another shot, and apparently I’ll just never hear what others hear.
― Guitar Dick (morrisp), Sunday, 11 October 2020 23:30 (three years ago) link
i think u have to be a sad youth to start with them honestly, dont know any other way
― cointelamateur (m bison), Monday, 12 October 2020 00:28 (three years ago) link
otm
― pomenitul, Monday, 12 October 2020 00:30 (three years ago) link
u cd try thinking about how much your parents dont udnerstand u or how hard it is to talk with people u r sexually attracted to or how much capitalism sucks and -- i repeat -- u r not fucking, that is a major source of consternation
― cointelamateur (m bison), Monday, 12 October 2020 01:06 (three years ago) link
I’ve seen Radiohead twice (Bends and HTTT eras) and both times I thought they were outstanding, totally felt they were worthy of being an era-defining band - and yet I don’t have any interest in listening to their music at home
― umsworth (emsworth), Monday, 12 October 2020 01:21 (three years ago) link
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Sunday, 11 October 2020 bookmarkflaglink
From my vague recollection of that new weird America stuff ISB...isn't that, no.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 12 October 2020 08:37 (three years ago) link
Which might explain why I can't get into it! That first Espers album is sick, and I love Wooden Wand and a lot of the more free-floating, noisy New Weird America stuff.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Monday, 12 October 2020 15:58 (three years ago) link
Radiohead for me too; I make an effort every few years, most recently in response to that Guardian article about their influence on black music. I made a 4-hour playlist for a long solitary car journey and sat through the whole thing, when it ended I flipped to the radio just as "Time Is Tight" by Booker T and the MGs was played - the feeling of relief was amazing, it was like putting the car into a higher gear.
― fetter, Monday, 12 October 2020 17:13 (three years ago) link
tbf, "time is tight" would probably have that effect 95% of the time.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 12 October 2020 17:30 (three years ago) link
Radiohead are very much in that Porcupine Tree vein of "they're clearly very good at this but I find it hard to enjoy this at all"
― frogbs, Monday, 12 October 2020 17:34 (three years ago) link
^ that's a really good comparison
Also, maybe we are veering off topic a bit here, but since someone mentioned New Order: I love New Order but every time I put on a Joy Division record I am bored to tears
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 12 October 2020 17:35 (three years ago) link
I love Joy Division, but I have a hard time getting into any New Order beyond their singles.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 02:23 (three years ago) link
Similarly, I like The Cure's singles, their poppy and eclectic songs, but albums like Pornography and Disintegration are completely lost on me.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 02:26 (three years ago) link
Sparks keep coming up on my Discover Weekly and just no - viscerally no.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 15:53 (three years ago) link
Recent Sparks, old, none whatsoever? They're one of my favorite bands of all time, but I certainly get how Russell's voice is a turnoff for many.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 16:07 (three years ago) link
Agree (but not with the "keep trying to like" part from the thread title). Very few acts are as Not For Me as Sparks.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 16:46 (three years ago) link
Very few acts are as Not For Me as Sparks.
cosign
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 17:10 (three years ago) link
I’m not a huge fan but I dig number 1 in heaven and terminal jive a lot. and “amateur hour”. and “cool places” with jane wiedlin.
― brimstead, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 17:16 (three years ago) link