Brad otm. I wouldn't omit Beethoven's 9th from a top 30 classical compositions of all time list just for the hepcat cred.
If you truly listen to a lot of classical music, then I can't argue with this (although the 9th wouldn't be in my personal Top 30). My point is that lots of people who like Kind of Blue — maybe even own it — unfortunately don't listen to much else when it comes to jazz. It's like me saying A Lament for Epirus is one of the Top 30 Greek folk albums, when in fact it may be the only one I own.
― TO BE A JAZZ SINGER YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCAT (Jazzbo), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:32 (three years ago) link
I just went through the whole 500 and there are four metal bands represented: three Black Sabbath albums, two Metallica albums, and one each by Motörhead, and Van Halen. I mean, Slayer's Reign In Blood isn't more worthy of note than a King Sunny Ade compilation? (N.B.: I love King Sunny Ade.)
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:33 (three years ago) link
Anti's legacy feels pretty destined to continue expanding
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:35 (three years ago) link
Anywhere this full list can be read without scrolling that wretched website?
it's not Vice
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:35 (three years ago) link
My point is that lots of people who like Kind of Blue — maybe even own it — unfortunately don't listen to much else when it comes to jazz.
Of course, but this is Rolling Stone. There's only so much you can expect, alas.
― sock solipsist (pomenitul), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:37 (three years ago) link
Songs in the Key of Life
― trapped out the barndo (crüt), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:39 (three years ago) link
491. Harry Styles, 'Fine Line' (2019)
this is disgusting, ban rolling stone imo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMOlkkwR2gw
xxxp yes for sure. it has been in a couple of The Quietus's 'top albums of all time/ baker's dozen' lists already.
Can't work out if If You're Reading This.. instead of Nothing Was The Same is a surprise or not but i raised en eyebrow.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:40 (three years ago) link
xxp
Sheffield is a comically huge stan
― Indexed, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:41 (three years ago) link
more like kind of blew
― rip van wanko, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:41 (three years ago) link
Kind of relieved in a life-is-more-understandable-this-way way that Galaxie 500 did not make that Rolling Stone list. But appalled that Abbey Road is the top ranked Beatles album— Damon K (@dada_drummer) September 22, 2020
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:42 (three years ago) link
More like A Love Stupreme
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:43 (three years ago) link
Guessing Songs in the Key of Life will take it. It's my vote, as well.
― Wessonality Crisis (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:43 (three years ago) link
would be cool to see different reggae artists on occasion
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:44 (three years ago) link
My point is that lots of people who like Kind of Blue — maybe even own it — unfortunately don't listen to much else when it comes to jazz
hard for me to say this consideration matters when an even more egregious example (legend) is also in the top 50
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:44 (three years ago) link
Jazz fell out of the mainstream precisely because the scene started to value challenging and rewarding over pleasant to listen to. Most humans prefer the latter.
Yes, of course. Here’s the biggest pop hit of 1966:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kj9qv6rmG8
And here’s Cecil Taylor’s “Steps” from that same year:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXbNDJeAR1k
― TO BE A JAZZ SINGER YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCAT (Jazzbo), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:45 (three years ago) link
Legend's inclusion is a waste. By this point, if you like the guy, you've bought Natty Dread or whatever -- you don't return to the comp unless you're a non-critic.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:47 (three years ago) link
Regardless of how they reconfigure or update these lists, they always have a 'top 50 albums of someone who's heard a total of 100 albums ever, all of which appeared on previous top 50 album lists' kind of feel to them.
― Wessonality Crisis (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:47 (three years ago) link
^O.L. OTM again
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:48 (three years ago) link
Totally agree. And African Herbsman is my favorite Marley album. Where's Funky Kingston and Two Sevens Clash on that list anyway? Wish they had a search function.
― TO BE A JAZZ SINGER YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCAT (Jazzbo), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:48 (three years ago) link
Guessing _Songs in the Key of Life_ will take it. It's my vote, as well.
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:48 (three years ago) link
look lads once you've determined the best ever album of its genre any arguments are just showboating
― how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:49 (three years ago) link
also this is slipping into anecdotal territory and more likely due to my age than anything else, but i've never met someone whose only jazz record was kind of blue. i've met plenty of ppl who's only reggae record was legend but that's part of the modern american college experience
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:49 (three years ago) link
I see that despite several nods to post-'90s "country" albums, the electors opted to snub the core, the heart music: George Jones' I Am What I Am
― trapped out the barndo (crüt), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:49 (three years ago) link
the marley record should've been catch a fire, not only perfect but important too
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:50 (three years ago) link
Legend is less egregious insofar as it’s a collection of *songs*, which is a guiding principle throughout.
― sock solipsist (pomenitul), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:51 (three years ago) link
full list in text
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:51 (three years ago) link
There were def many eyerolls throughout Pitchfork's updated 80s lists but their reggae albums and singles picks were all surprisingly excellent recommendations imo. Would be cool if RS had any desire to run with that lead.
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:54 (three years ago) link
honestly find it kind of stunning that the highest U2 album is achtung baby at 124
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:54 (three years ago) link
The right Bjork album placed highest, but not the right Badu.
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:54 (three years ago) link
the shapes here are familiar but more native to contemporary skies
― pareidolia, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:55 (three years ago) link
xpost Thanks, mookie!Funky Kingston at #344? Criminal!
― TO BE A JAZZ SINGER YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCAT (Jazzbo), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:55 (three years ago) link
No metal, no justice.
Voted Ramones.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:56 (three years ago) link
Beyond Pavement (3), Liz Phair (1), and YLT (1), is there any other "Nineties indie rock"? Asking for a friend
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:56 (three years ago) link
Bit daft that Lemonade is so high when even top Bey stans Pitchfork seemed to have changed their minds recently; the self-titled album was at number 3 in their end of decade list, Lemonade at 41.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:57 (three years ago) link
xp (I'm not a YLT scholar, but I Can Hear the Heart Beating As One feels like an odd choice, no?)
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:58 (three years ago) link
Consensus, baby (I'm a Painful stan).
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:59 (three years ago) link
Ah - it's Electr-O-Pura for me
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 17:02 (three years ago) link
There’s def a lot of 90s in this list, but a very different 90s than the one RS sold us at the time.
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 17:03 (three years ago) link
Which, good.
I Can Hear the Heart... was YLT's highest-ranking album in Pazz & Jop (#5 in 1997).
― jaymc, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 17:04 (three years ago) link
American Idiot is actually one of the worst albums of all time.
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 17:06 (three years ago) link
yikes full list is more parochial than I imagined
It must suck to be Brazilian and to know no one there has ever made an album as good as John Mayer's Continuum
― rob, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 17:11 (three years ago) link
Rob OTM.
― TO BE A JAZZ SINGER YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCAT (Jazzbo), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 17:12 (three years ago) link
Africa Brasil made my list, and I should've stuck Expresso 2222 in.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 17:13 (three years ago) link
Here are the 2010s albums in the top 500 (could be an interesting poll on its own):
491. Harry Styles, 'Fine Line' (2019)484. Lady Gaga, 'Born This Way' (2011)480. Miranda Lambert, 'Weight of These Wings' (2016)472. SZA, 'Ctrl' (2017)460. Lorde, 'Melodrama' (2017)459. Kid Cudi, 'Man on the Moon: The End of the Day' (2019)458. Jason Isbell, 'Southeastern' (2013)447. Bad Bunny, 'X 100pre' (2018)442. The Weeknd, 'Beauty Behind the Madness' (2015)419. Eric Church, 'Chief' (2011)397. Billie Eilish, 'When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?' (2019)395. D’Angelo and the Vanguard, 'Black Messiah' (2014)393. Taylor Swift, '1989' (2014)382. Tame Impala, 'Currents' (2015)367. Drake, 'If You're Reading This It's Too Late' (2015)346. Arctic Monkeys, 'AM' (2013)328. Vampire Weekend, 'Modern Vampires of the City' (2013)321. Lana Del Rey, 'Norman Fucking Rockwell!’ (2019)315. Rosalía, 'El Mal Querer' (2018)312. Solange, 'A Seat at the Table' (2016)295. Daft Punk, 'Random Access Memories' (2013)270. Kacey Musgraves, 'Golden Hour' (2018)269. Kanye West, 'Yeezus' (2013)230. Rihanna, 'Anti' (2016)213. Fiona Apple, 'The Idler Wheel' (2013)196. Robyn, 'Body Talk' (2010)175. Kendrick Lamar, 'DAMN.' (2017)148. Frank Ocean, 'Channel Orange' (2012)137. Adele, '21' (2011)115. Kendrick Lamar, 'good kid, m.A.A.d city' (2012)99. Taylor Swift, 'Red' (2012)95. Drake, 'Take Care' (2011)81. Beyoncé, 'Beyoncé' (2013)79. Frank Ocean, 'Blonde' (2016)32. Beyoncé, 'Lemonade' (2016)19. Kendrick Lamar, 'To Pimp a Butterfly' (2015)17. Kanye West, 'My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy' (2010)
― jaymc, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:21 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
this is like all my ILM pet hates in one place, fuck
― imago, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 17:15 (three years ago) link
like, the fact that they have all this and NOT the ATCQ comeback album on there is completely damning
― imago, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 17:18 (three years ago) link
xpYeah, to be somewhat fair, there's not an obvious Kind of Blue/Legend/Indestructible Beat* type token pick for Brazil for the less interested (not meaning you Alfred, obvs) to include
* This is one of those odd canon artifacts though; surely no one really listens to this comp as a thing in itself anymore?
― rob, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 17:18 (three years ago) link
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/64/Tropic%C3%A1lia_LP.JPG
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 17:21 (three years ago) link