I don't know why but there's something about this 'aging boomer Googles info on acclaimed albums from the last three decades of popular music and hastily inserts new entries he probably hasn't actually listened to in their entirety/at all' list that's more depressing than the original.
^Old Lunch OTM
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:17 (three years ago) link
I don't think my dad has ever willingly listened to rap, but there is a "son, have you heard of [artist]? they were on NPR" quality to some picks. He raved about Winehouse after seeing the documentary
― rob, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:20 (three years ago) link
i'm guessing that has more to do with the demographics of the current rs staff + whichever freelancers they reached out to than any sort of calculation xp
i for one completely forgot i submitted a list for this, wonder what was on it
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:21 (three years ago) link
Murmur rose from #197 to #165; AFT leapfrogged it, rising from #249 to #96; and Document fell off altogether. Not sure if this is a net gain or loss for "America's Best Rock and Roll Band."
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:23 (three years ago) link
Certainly an improvement over the last one!
The Good:- Abbey Road supplanting Sgt Peppers, and 3 Beatles albums falling out of the top 10- Prince and Stevie in the top 10, Aretha and Public Enemy in the top 20- General integration of rap- General demotion of Classic Rock canon- Demotion of: U2 (previously 26), The Who (28), and The Eagles (37)
The Bad:- Complete (?) absence of country and electronic- Two Radiohead albums in the top 50 (and I'm a fan)- Lauryn Hill at 10 ALL TIME is a headscratcher; if I had a prediction, Lemonade will eventually be viewed in a similar light for some reason (and I'm a fan)- No: Coltrane, Elvis, Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, Led Zeppelin, CCR, Ray Charles
― Indexed, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:24 (three years ago) link
nm i found my ballot, it's basically this: my favorite albums of all time: a poll
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:24 (three years ago) link
lol same
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:25 (three years ago) link
ooh I hadn't clocked no Zeppelin, that is weird!
― rob, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:25 (three years ago) link
Or Sabbath, although that's less surprising seeing as there wasn't any in their previous top 50 either.
― sock solipsist (pomenitul), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:26 (three years ago) link
In honesty, I recognize that it's less the result of the 'aging boomer' scenario I painted upthread than it is watching the younger set's notion of today's acclaimed music start to calcify in a bland, boomer-esque fashion. Like if I, who've been largely out of the new music loop for a decade+, recognize all of the newer entries they've plugged in, then they're playing it pretty effing safe.
― Wessonality Crisis (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:26 (three years ago) link
if we were voting for the album that does not belong here it's amy winehouse obviously
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:27 (three years ago) link
like i get it, she's dead and had a cool aesthetic or whatever
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:28 (three years ago) link
xxp I didn't take your 'aging boomer' scenario literally - you were OTM that it has that 'feel' (don't 2nd-guess yrself!!)
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:28 (three years ago) link
Are there big Tapestry stans on ilm? I'm not sure I've ever heard the whole thing, but it seems unfashionable to me in a less explicable way than, say, Legend
― rob, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:28 (three years ago) link
Jazz fell out of the mainstream precisely because the scene started to value challenging and rewarding over pleasant to listen to. Most humans prefer the latter.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:29 (three years ago) link
Never mind, there are two Dylan albums in the top 20. I hate this list.
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:30 (three years ago) link
In general there seems to have been a conscious effort to represent women - which is good! - that closely follows the NPR rankings from a year or two ago:
https://www.npr.org/2017/07/20/538307314/turning-the-tables-150-greatest-albums-made-by-women-page-15
― Indexed, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:30 (three years ago) link
not enough Janet Jackson fans in the world, I guess
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:30 (three years ago) link
Tapestry falls nicely enough in line with the yacht rock revivalism juice.
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:31 (three years ago) link
Nice to see 'Anti'.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:31 (three years ago) link
Anywhere this full list can be read without scrolling that wretched website?
― piscesx, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:32 (three years ago) link
Brad otm. I wouldn't omit Beethoven's 9th from a top 30 classical compositions of all time list just for the hepcat cred.
If you truly listen to a lot of classical music, then I can't argue with this (although the 9th wouldn't be in my personal Top 30). My point is that lots of people who like Kind of Blue — maybe even own it — unfortunately don't listen to much else when it comes to jazz. It's like me saying A Lament for Epirus is one of the Top 30 Greek folk albums, when in fact it may be the only one I own.
― TO BE A JAZZ SINGER YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCAT (Jazzbo), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:32 (three years ago) link
I just went through the whole 500 and there are four metal bands represented: three Black Sabbath albums, two Metallica albums, and one each by Motörhead, and Van Halen. I mean, Slayer's Reign In Blood isn't more worthy of note than a King Sunny Ade compilation? (N.B.: I love King Sunny Ade.)
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:33 (three years ago) link
Anti's legacy feels pretty destined to continue expanding
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:35 (three years ago) link
it's not Vice
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:35 (three years ago) link
My point is that lots of people who like Kind of Blue — maybe even own it — unfortunately don't listen to much else when it comes to jazz.
Of course, but this is Rolling Stone. There's only so much you can expect, alas.
― sock solipsist (pomenitul), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:37 (three years ago) link
Songs in the Key of Life
― trapped out the barndo (crüt), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:39 (three years ago) link
491. Harry Styles, 'Fine Line' (2019)
this is disgusting, ban rolling stone imo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMOlkkwR2gw
xxxp yes for sure. it has been in a couple of The Quietus's 'top albums of all time/ baker's dozen' lists already.
Can't work out if If You're Reading This.. instead of Nothing Was The Same is a surprise or not but i raised en eyebrow.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:40 (three years ago) link
xxp
Sheffield is a comically huge stan
― Indexed, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:41 (three years ago) link
more like kind of blew
― rip van wanko, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:41 (three years ago) link
Kind of relieved in a life-is-more-understandable-this-way way that Galaxie 500 did not make that Rolling Stone list. But appalled that Abbey Road is the top ranked Beatles album— Damon K (@dada_drummer) September 22, 2020
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:42 (three years ago) link
More like A Love Stupreme
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:43 (three years ago) link
Guessing Songs in the Key of Life will take it. It's my vote, as well.
― Wessonality Crisis (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:43 (three years ago) link
would be cool to see different reggae artists on occasion
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:44 (three years ago) link
My point is that lots of people who like Kind of Blue — maybe even own it — unfortunately don't listen to much else when it comes to jazz
hard for me to say this consideration matters when an even more egregious example (legend) is also in the top 50
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:44 (three years ago) link
Yes, of course. Here’s the biggest pop hit of 1966:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kj9qv6rmG8
And here’s Cecil Taylor’s “Steps” from that same year:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXbNDJeAR1k
― TO BE A JAZZ SINGER YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCAT (Jazzbo), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:45 (three years ago) link
Legend's inclusion is a waste. By this point, if you like the guy, you've bought Natty Dread or whatever -- you don't return to the comp unless you're a non-critic.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:47 (three years ago) link
Regardless of how they reconfigure or update these lists, they always have a 'top 50 albums of someone who's heard a total of 100 albums ever, all of which appeared on previous top 50 album lists' kind of feel to them.
― Wessonality Crisis (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:47 (three years ago) link
^O.L. OTM again
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:48 (three years ago) link
Totally agree. And African Herbsman is my favorite Marley album. Where's Funky Kingston and Two Sevens Clash on that list anyway? Wish they had a search function.
― TO BE A JAZZ SINGER YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCAT (Jazzbo), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:48 (three years ago) link
Guessing _Songs in the Key of Life_ will take it. It's my vote, as well.
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:48 (three years ago) link
look lads once you've determined the best ever album of its genre any arguments are just showboating
― how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:49 (three years ago) link
also this is slipping into anecdotal territory and more likely due to my age than anything else, but i've never met someone whose only jazz record was kind of blue. i've met plenty of ppl who's only reggae record was legend but that's part of the modern american college experience
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:49 (three years ago) link
I see that despite several nods to post-'90s "country" albums, the electors opted to snub the core, the heart music: George Jones' I Am What I Am
― trapped out the barndo (crüt), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:49 (three years ago) link
the marley record should've been catch a fire, not only perfect but important too
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:50 (three years ago) link
Legend is less egregious insofar as it’s a collection of *songs*, which is a guiding principle throughout.
― sock solipsist (pomenitul), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:51 (three years ago) link
full list in text
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:51 (three years ago) link
There were def many eyerolls throughout Pitchfork's updated 80s lists but their reggae albums and singles picks were all surprisingly excellent recommendations imo. Would be cool if RS had any desire to run with that lead.
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:54 (three years ago) link