Is it time for a TRIP HOP revival yet?

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enrique, i think he meant more the sounds (breaks and loops sounding more organic than clinical machine noises). of course you can get cold trip hop (most of it was quite cold sounding, miserable in many ways) and warm electro.

― dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 16 June 2006 10:10 (nineteen years ago)

yeh, 'Ray Of Light' to 'Music' may be the more fitting example re Madonna!

Madonna in 'Ray Of Light' phase was all about converting the 90s stuff she dug but had failed to incorporate in her work prior to that point hence trying to get Aphex to produce it originally, then Howlett before settling on Orbit (whose 'Strange Cargo' albums laid whales and dolphins and Beth Orton over 'Trip-Hop beats' but also good for that trance lean she seemed to want). she got the Kruder & Dorfmeister remix treatment round that time too.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 16 June 2006 10:12 (nineteen years ago)

yes, this is because the whole hot/cold thing is overplayed! most trip hop sounded boring and clinical, ie cold!

― Seriously, Try Punching This Guy in the Face and See What Happens (Enrique), Friday, 16 June 2006 10:17 (nineteen years ago)

most examples of all genres being boring.

― Seriously, Try Punching This Guy in the Face and See What Happens (Enrique), Friday, 16 June 2006 10:18 (nineteen years ago)

Did anyone have actual experience of the "dinner party soundtrack" thing or is it just the biggest, strawiest man ever? I was like 16, 17 so I didn't get invited to very many

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 16 June 2006 10:22 (nineteen years ago)

the 'hot/cold' thing for me just boils down to sampled, more resonant snares (a trip-hop staple) vs compressed 808/909 snares/clicks etc. (electro-staple)- which is fair enough really.

what it means is that in 00s pop music started being informed primarily by Electro rather than primarily by Funk as it had been in the 90s.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 16 June 2006 10:23 (nineteen years ago)

Oh and while I was reading this I was opening the post and there's this album (singles comp) by a band called Various, on XL. The press release makes them sound like dead certs for the premise of this thread without actually mentioning the dread term - I shall report back maybe

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 16 June 2006 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

nah.

xpost

― Seriously, Try Punching This Guy in the Face and See What Happens (Enrique), Friday, 16 June 2006 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

i was that age too, but i have a strong feeling it's no straw man but a real thing. like in 'this life' innit.

― Seriously, Try Punching This Guy in the Face and See What Happens (Enrique), Friday, 16 June 2006 10:28 (nineteen years ago)

tho i DO NOT listen to 4tet anymore.

oh, but you will because this looks excellent:

http://www.soulseduction.com/common/item_detail.php?ItemID=162539

it opens with David Behrman!

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 16 June 2006 10:33 (nineteen years ago)

and re. the sound clips on that site , i've just realised i've been listening to Ae's "flutter" at the wrong speed for 12 years.

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 16 June 2006 10:40 (nineteen years ago)

Ha, Quickspace Supersport on a mix album in 2006, fair play

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 16 June 2006 10:42 (nineteen years ago)

wasnt the Burial album trip hop?

― fez (fez), Friday, 16 June 2006 10:51 (nineteen years ago)

OK this Various thing is DEFINITELY passing the trip-hop test five tracks in, they like Tricky just fine (and maybe New Kingdom too)

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 16 June 2006 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and is the history of modern music an endless penduuum switching between lusher sounds and harder angular ones?
-- Baaderonixx immer wieder (baaderonix...), Yesterday. (baaderonixx) (later)

― Baaderonixx immer wieder (baaderonixx), Friday, 16 June 2006 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

it's the 10/20 year retro cycle at work i reckon.

― dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 16 June 2006 11:43 (nineteen years ago)

"tim -- always with the hot-and-cold! "

ha ha I knew you'd jump on that, which is why I put them in scare quotes.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 16 June 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

Did anyone have actual experience of the "dinner party soundtrack" thing or is it just the biggest, strawiest man ever? I was like 16, 17 so I didn't get invited to very many
-- DJ Mencap (lackofinteres...), June 16th, 2006.
i was that age too, but i have a strong feeling it's no straw man but a real thing. like in 'this life' innit.

Completely OTM re 'This Life' - they got the 'young professionals' soundtrack just right for the era - lots of trip hop and mellow indie (i certainly remember Drugstore, Mazzy Star must have been featured at least once too)

― Robin Goad (rgoad), Friday, 16 June 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

I rememeber buying an album by Crustation and thinking later that day that I'd had enough of this.

― Baaderonixx immer wieder (baaderonixx), Friday, 16 June 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

xpost to badderonixx-- if you take it as axiomatic that what wants to be "new" has to position itself or be positioned in contrast to what has come before, then it makes sense that successive ("successive") musics can be mapped to alternating binaries: lush/sparse, rounded/angular, apollonian/dionysian, thinking/feeling, etc etc. the trick of course is that the sufficiently clever can map any music to any quality.

this applies to...all art, all human endeavor maybe?

― W i l l (common_person), Friday, 16 June 2006 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

and New Kingdom are trippy hip-hop - there is a difference

Far enough, but the Star Trek sample cracks me up every time. I didn't even know there was a second album.

― Rufus 3000 (Mr Noodles), Friday, 16 June 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

I actually saw a chillout/electronic comp a short time ago that was called something like "Music For An Intense Dinner Party" or something, as far as I could tell from looking at it it wasn't tongue in cheek.

That said I have no problem with dinner party music. Not everyone chooses their social networks by shared musical tastes, so you need a shortlist of music that is unlikely to irritate people excessively in a social setting.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 16 June 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

xpost-- or sufficiently stupid, i suppose

― W i l l (common_person), Friday, 16 June 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

"an intense dinner party"!

devoid of context that is a fucking great title for an album.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 16 June 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

and a great idea for a dinner party!

― Seriously, Try Punching This Guy in the Face and See What Happens (Enrique), Friday, 16 June 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

He's Hip, He's Cool, He's 45 and he presents "An Intense Dinner Party"

― Rufus 3000 (Mr Noodles), Friday, 16 June 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

Hah - fantastic. I gotta get this.

― Baaderonixx immer wieder (baaderonixx), Friday, 16 June 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

Etymology lesson:

trip hop = 'trance hip hop' and was coined in the melody maker in a review of the chemical brothers (then the dust brothers), maybe of 'my mercury mouth' or one of the pre-name-change singles. ('93 maybe?) So it was originally used to describe what became big beat (which they had a hard time coming up with the name for), but then the usage slipped. I'm with Vahid, though. They're basically the same thing. The female singer thing is a ruse. It's just instrumental hip hop, innit?

― Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Friday, 16 June 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

Dinner parties. People would put Protection on and talk about fresh basil. It wasn't intense. I was there.

― Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Friday, 16 June 2006 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

yeh, chemical brothers was counted as trip hop before big beat got invented.

― dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 16 June 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

it's not the same thing, just related. trip-hop = skunk, big beat = amyl and k.

along with Headz, Kruder & Dorfmeister's DJ Kicks mix is another major trip-hop touchstone though it touches on DnB (Aquasky) and does feature Hardfloor (but in 'trip-hop' mode).

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 16 June 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

Headz 1 is fantastic. I think Ninja Tunes stuff has aged less well. Although Stealth really was a fantastic club.

That thing about scratching being the 90s rockist sound of choice. Haha. THAT WAS ME.

God I feel old.

― Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Friday, 16 June 2006 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

Trip-hop kind of relied on the slowed-down hip-hop beat which sounded very tired indeed by 97-98. All this downtempo stuff still exists but the general move across dance music to more textured beats has had a knock-on effect here as well. The last Massive Attack record has basically microhouse/glitch crunchiness and a lot of Farbenesque sounds shoehorned in didn't it?

On the other end of the spectrum, it turned into Groove Armada.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 16 June 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

Also Border Community = trip-hop with a 4/4 kick, basically. Stick an etheral vocal on top of Sky Was Pink or Do You Need Help and tell me what you get.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 16 June 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

In addition to '100th Window', Spacek's a good example of someone who took trip-hop template but replaced sampled/live drums with electronic beats.

Groove Armada only have ONE trip-hoppish song tho!

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 16 June 2006 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

there's a downtempo mix of 'The Sky Is Pink' anyway isn't there? or was that the original?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 16 June 2006 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

Any love for Lamb?

― Ned Beauman (NedBeauman), Friday, 16 June 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

First album = three or four good tracks. She sings well on it.

Second album = rubbish. She doesn't sing very well on it.

― chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Friday, 16 June 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

It was only good when it simmered with evil really, which only about 2% of it did. What about trip-crunk as a modern day update? Or does skrewed/chopped fit that bill?

― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Friday, 16 June 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

Actually that DJ Shadow track with David Banner is a bit trip-crunk.

― Ned Beauman (NedBeauman), Friday, 16 June 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

anyone have Slotek's 7 album? is that trip-hop? i dunno
that was pretty good

― Matthew OMalley (Matt-O), Friday, 16 June 2006 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

you need a shortlist of music that is unlikely to irritate people excessively in a social setting. otm.

Tricky
Steely Dan
Velvet Underground
Sade

and if you don't like Sade... pfff!

― trees (treesessplode), Saturday, 17 June 2006 05:36 (nineteen years ago)

My most consistent having-people-over CD for the past year has been Eskimo Recordings Volume III. Also Lhasa's The Living Road.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 17 June 2006 06:37 (nineteen years ago)

you need a shortlist of music that is unlikely to irritate people excessively in a social setting

About 80% of reggae. anyone who actively dislikes reggae is obviously just wrong.

― chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Saturday, 17 June 2006 11:35 (nineteen years ago)

not that i'm a huge reggae expert if someone didn't like reggae i'd have to wonder what the hell they were doing in my house!

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 17 June 2006 11:50 (nineteen years ago)

re: four tet dj kicks.
cabaret voltaire and mf doom? i'm there.

this is a very interesting thread.

― Emily B (Emily B), Saturday, 17 June 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

VU 'unlikely to irritate people in a social setting'?

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― Seriously, Try Punching This Guy in the Face and See What Happens (Enrique), Monday, 19 June 2006 10:05 (nineteen years ago)

this Four Tet DJ Kicks is actually quite amazingly poorly mixed. obviously with a tracklisting like that i wouldn't expect seamless but the segues are terrible for the most part. i'ts not even like an anti-mix-mash it just sounds amateurish. i could have done a much better job myself with similar material.

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 June 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

I was listening to Tricky's "Broken Homes" today b/c I'm making a mix for a friend who likes Burial and wants to know what music it sounds like. What a great track. I want a whole album of tracks like "Broken Homes" and "Poems". Does this album exist and what is it?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 19 June 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

i wish!

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 June 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

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