Faith No More: most underrated rock band of the 90s?

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"an argument built on subjective tastes"

You just described every post in every thread on ILM, EVER!!!!

― KimberIy, Thursday, 22 July 2004 03:12 (twenty-one years ago)

took you long enough, rocket surgeon.

I wasn't used to you using a handle that wasn't already someone else's.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 22 July 2004 03:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm a wacky son of a bitch, dude.

― KimberIy, Thursday, 22 July 2004 03:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah trolls. Good show.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 03:19 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, that's it. Fuck you.
I love it when you talk dirty, pookie.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 22 July 2004 03:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Faith No More
-Innovative? Yes. Quite obviously. Mixing up a lot of song styles (more than just rap and metal) and structures in many different ways.
-Good? Nope. They didn't make any songs I particularly liked.

― David Allen (David Allen), Thursday, 22 July 2004 04:15 (twenty-one years ago)

who are all these people?? ps "Album of the Year" is the best one!!!

― Sir Chaki McBeer III (chaki), Thursday, 22 July 2004 04:25 (twenty-one years ago)

They ain't no Linkin Park

― artdamages (artdamages), Thursday, 22 July 2004 04:31 (twenty-one years ago)

This is definitely the worst thread ever.

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Thursday, 22 July 2004 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)

woode-mummas boosoom swell wit pride

― lukey (Lukey G), Thursday, 22 July 2004 07:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Christ, for a minute there I thought I'd wondered into some kind of crazy alternative universe where Faith No More paved the way for Linkin Park and Papa Roach. Thank goodness it was all a dream!

― Philip Alderman (Phil A), Thursday, 22 July 2004 08:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Detachable Penis = King Missile is/was "mainstream"

― Knuckles the Dog (Knuckles), Thursday, 22 July 2004 08:38 (twenty-one years ago)

And you were there... and you were there... and most of the Alex-s....

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 22 July 2004 08:40 (twenty-one years ago)

horray for rap metal

― dude crazy?, Thursday, 22 July 2004 10:52 (twenty-one years ago)

"And you were there... and you were there... and most of the Alex-s.... "

indeed, for i am an alex as well!

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 22 July 2004 11:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I have to say that latebloomer is the only one making any sense here.

― Mike Salmo (salmo), Thursday, 22 July 2004 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Nevermind FNM, you spongemonkeys! COP SHOOT COP!!!!

http://www.thepolywog.com/copshootcop/posters/images/livedemo-01.jpg

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 22 July 2004 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Christ, I'd forgotten all about CSC. They were quite good, weren't they?

― Wooden, Thursday, 22 July 2004 13:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Faith No More really pissed off Warner Bros., who wanted them to hit a formula more similar sonically to "Epic" (for which the milking for $$$ could occur), when they released Angel Dust, a ridiculously stylistic mind-fuck. Them playing "Caffeine" on whatever-that-show-was-that-TRL-essentially-is-now was really entertaining, if only for the stunned wtf? of the people in the crowd, who couldn't figure out how to dance to the parts in 6/4.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 22 July 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Dancing in 6/4 can be done, but it helps if one is having a seizure.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 22 July 2004 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Mike Patton's lyrics are too fucked up anyway for them to have been super international mega major SHOOPAHSHTAHZ!. I mean, for fuck's sake, they had songs with titles like "JIZZLOBBER".

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 22 July 2004 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, that Patton was a lyrical genius.

You Want It All
But You Can't Have It
It's In Your Face
But You Can't Grab It

Genius stuff, man.

― KimberIy, Thursday, 22 July 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

This is a joke, right?!?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 22 July 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, Alex in SF, Mike Patton's lyrical 'talent' is a fucking joke.

― KimberIy, Thursday, 22 July 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh good.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 22 July 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

dude he was like 18. everyone knows he got good around the time of Angel Dust. seriously.

― Sir Chaki McBeer III (chaki), Thursday, 22 July 2004 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

no chaki, clearly we are all ignorant dipshits who shouldnt be on the intarweb and should be busy burning all of our fnm cds and tapes.

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 22 July 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Mike Patton has written lyrics in seven languages.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 22 July 2004 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

FWIW

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 22 July 2004 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Geordie Walker of Killing Joke briefly toyed with the idea of joining FNM after Jim Martin left. Then wisely thought better of it.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 22 July 2004 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

You seem to be fixated on KJ, Alex. Is the most recent album any good?

― Wooden, Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)

You seem to be fixated on KJ, Alex.

Ladies and gentlemen of ILx...your understatement of the year!

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

You seem to be fixated on KJ, Alex.

BAhahahahahahahaha. Gosh, ya think so?

Is the most recent album any good?

Well, bear in mind that I'm a zealous fan, but it's better than it had any right to be, as far as I'm concerned.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

The drumming in much of FNM's music, starting on "Introduce Yourself" shares remarkable similarities with the intense tribal percussion found in Killing Joke's music. That was how I was able to turn a Killing Joke fan onto FNM actually.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

They were an eclecticism-as-whole-point-of-existence metal band who were no more eclectic than scores of metal bands before them ( not just led zep but, def lep, say, who mixed prog and rap and punk and pop much in much less clumsy ways than faith no more -- by which i probably just meaned they rocked harder and had a better singer and prettier melodies) but, like lots of artsy metal bands to hit the radio in their peak year of 1990 (jane's addiction, kings x, living colour, maybe soundgarden, maybe queensryche), they felt the need to act like (or at least SEEM to act like) eclecticism in metal was a REALLY BIG DEAL. that said, they weren't totally awful, i suppose. at least that fish flopping around on the piano was pretty cool.

― chuck, Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

But how many other metal bands have had #1 hits on lite-rock stations?

(I refer of course to their ridiculously popular cover of The Commodores' "Easy".)

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 22 July 2004 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

What Lite rock stations did that go #1 on??? None where I lived. (Was it even a top 40 hit? If AMG wasn't so shitty now, I'd check...)

― chuck, Thursday, 22 July 2004 23:09 (twenty-one years ago)

"at least that fish flopping around on the piano was pretty cool."

like i said, great dancer too (for a fish).

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 22 July 2004 23:09 (twenty-one years ago)

FNM have written some of the most interesting songs I've heard, and I've heard a lot. "Angel Dust" is probably one of my all time favorites, and I think it's an incredibly interesting album. Comparing any song on that album with Def Leppard's fusions of pop and metal is completely ludricous. But I guess in the indie rock/critical circles, admiring FNM, or considering them at all interesting, is heresy. Which makes me happy I don't run in those circles.

BTW: There are very few top ten hits in the FNM catalog. What universe was Angel Dust a huge hit? Sure, it had radio/air play, but that doesn't equal sales or Billboard chart climbing.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)

It seems that most of the attacks on FNM are based soley on "The Real Thing." People haven't been doing their homework. Is it normal to judge a whole band's discography by one highly successful album and a hand full of songs?

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 22 July 2004 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

"Just a Man" on King for a Day.... is absolutely masterful.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 22 July 2004 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)

fnm are huge in south america, fyi.

ill out myself as an indie kid who loves faith no more. i got the real thing when it came out as an impressionable 10 year old. I didnt like everything on it, but thought it was pretty cool. I also picked up angel dust when that one came out but remember hating the shit out of it. it grew on me as i got older, obviously and i think its their crowning achievment, artistically. they kinda fell apart after all of the lineup changes, but like alex says, king for a day has a handfull of good songs on it and album of the year did as well.

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 22 July 2004 23:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Lemme just say for the rekkid that I am not nor have I ever been an especially huge FNM fan, but they did have select moments of brilliance (that's right: brilliance). Like Patton's other project at the time, though, MR.BUNGLE, their patent refusal to stay pigeon-holed (i.e. a then novel hybrid of rap and rock) oddly led to their gradual downfall (people didn't want them to branch out). As a result, there are some criminally undersung moments in their post-Angel Dust career.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 22 July 2004 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)

What James has been saying is pretty much what I was trying to hit on when I started this thread. I maybe should have said 'most unfairly dismissed rock band of the 90s.' Wouldn't have been as punchy, though.

Angel Dust is in my all-time top 20. The progression shown from The Real Thing is just remarkable. I agree with Alex that they recorded amazing material after AD too. Album Of the Year is an incredibly focused and coherent record.

― Wooden, Thursday, 22 July 2004 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)

>fnm are huge in south america, fyi.<

this is actually interesting. even on *the real thing*, they were doing a sort of fake-middle-eastern music sometimes, right? and plenty of rock en espanol bands (los fabulosos cadillacs, caifanes, etc) wound up incorporating middle eastern stuff later as well. i can see how faith no more might have been an influence on those bands, in some ways. (though i bet the latin american guys were hearing REAL algerian rai stuff, too.) and i have to admit that it's been years since i listened to faith no more, so maybe i'm wrong. but from what i remember, fnm totally pale against lots of the south american and mexican rock bands of the mid '90s (who were way MORE eclectic.) but who knows, maybe sometime i'll listen to fnm again, and change my mind. (i do remember that i liked patton's vocals a lot more in undulating ballad mode than in his clunky rapping or hardcore modes.)

― chuck, Friday, 23 July 2004 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

The Middle Eastern thing comes, I think, from Chuck Mosely and pre-dates Mike Patton. Check out 'Spirit' off WCaL where there's an attempt at a quarter-tone vocal line. Chuck definitley took this (iirc) to his first post-FNM outfit.

As far as I'm concerned, I liked them well enough at the time. I had an evening session from around the KfaD period on the other month out of curiousity and it was pretty good. However, and it's a big one, they were the first big 'funk rock' band to break in the UK (with 'Epic') and showed that you could get to #1 with ballads that didn't sound a bit like your reputation (I'm sure 'Easy' was #1, happy to be corrected) - and as such I hold them entirely responsible for the continuing career of Red Hot Chili Peppers beyond 'Mothers Milk', for which FNM should be reviled forever.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 23 July 2004 05:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Mike Patton is on the new Bjork acapella album.
I actually bought , by the way.
And who's to say how many shaggy haired dipshits discovered john zorn by way of mr. bungle?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 23 July 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

huh. that mystery blank should lead you to:
http://www.alliedchemical.com/blackops/discos/pattonvoice.html

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 23 July 2004 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

like lots of artsy metal bands to hit the radio in their peak year of 1990 (jane's addiction, kings x, living colour, maybe soundgarden, maybe queensryche), they felt the need to act like (or at least SEEM to act like) eclecticism in metal was a REALLY BIG DEAL.

Hm...did FNM actually spawn System of a Down, then?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I also like System of a Down.

― Wooden, Saturday, 24 July 2004 23:31 (twenty-one years ago)

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