Seriously, is there anything better than the Pet Shop Boys?

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"Two Divided By Zero" wins.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

(haha yeah I know but "One More Chance" comes close)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Is it as good as "Two Divided by Love" by the Grass Roots?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Or "Love Minus Zero/No Limit"?

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

> The amazing PopArt DVD contains all their promo vidoes and includes commentary from PSB themselves

... except that their comments are wholly unilluminating. I was so disappointed by the lack of insight offered by the dialogue. The Pet Shop Boys have probably the most interesting back-catalogue of singles and promo videos of any of their peers, and Chris Heath had a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to draw out the thoughts of Neil Tennant, one of the most intelligent and articulate pop stars of the twentieth century, on this treasure trove of finely-wrought picture and sound.
Heath's commentary, however, rarely rises above the level of, "That's a nice hat you're wearing there, Chris."

As I listened and the words hit my ears / I cried sudden tears

Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought the commentary was fun.

"Domino Dancing" is easily one of my top 3 PSB tracks - my reasons for which are detailed on another thread. Please note that Dan tends to have excellent taste in artists, but then either loves or reviles random and/or odd tracks for reasons which escape me!

Also: Always thought Tennant's allusion to Edmund Wilson's To the Finland Station in "West End Girls" was dead cool as well.

This is actually a direct reference to Lenin's famous itinerary during WWI.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

"I Wouldn't Normally Do This Kind Of Thing" and "Can You Forgive Her" are the ultimate classics by them.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link

> ... except that their comments are wholly unilluminating.

Come on! It's worth it for Lowe's hat knowledge alone!

Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I absolutely loved the comments in that video. Made most of the videos way better.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

In that DVD, I mean

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

"Go West" is their greatest video. I wrote a paper on it once.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Me and my sis used to rock out to se a vida e (or whatever) when we were kids. I haven't heard that song in YEARS.

giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I will go for "I Wouldn't Normally Do This Kind Of Thing" as their best video. That "videogame" with the two of them doing martial arts is marvellous.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I've heard "Domino Dancing," but wasn't a fan and now I can't really remember what it sounds like. I don't think I want to know!

And to answer the question, no. "Rent" is the best thing they've done.

daria_g, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

DARIA OTM Actually.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link

> I absolutely loved the comments in that video.

Sure, some of their conversation is entertaining. But almost none of it is insightful, which I found disappointing. They're very interesting people, and at its best, their work has been culturally significant. Chris Heath knows that, and I feel he should have tried to induce a more reflective or analytical mood for the voiceover session.
Ah well. Screw art, let's dance.

Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link

> I absolutely cannot tire of hearing "West End Girls". It's simply perfect.

Absolutely 100% OTM. My favourite song of all time.

WOW mine too!

I wonder how high it will rank in the 80s poll (if it ever happens).

daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Also: Always thought Tennant's allusion to Edmund Wilson's To the Finland Station in "West End Girls" was dead cool as well.

This is actually a direct reference to Lenin's famous itinerary during WWI.

The title of the book is as well. One in the same, Spence.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

In the UK #1's poll, "West End Girls" and "Always on My Mind" both finished in the top ten, if that's any indication. I would expect both to finish in the top ten in the 80's poll as well.

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MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 21:21 (nineteen years ago) link

So Alex, the question is, are they referencing the book specifically?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone have a digital copy of the PSB movie "It Couldn't Happen Here?" I remember going to see that as a kid for the one night that it played in Santa Cruz. We all got promo flexi-singles (I should see if I still have that, and sell it on eBay!) and little mini-posters. I loved the movie at the time, but I doubt that I really was able to grasp its deeper themes and/or utter shite-ness as a fifteen-year-old kid.

A funny PSB story (also from my teenage years):

When I was a senior in high school, I got good enough grades to take classes at UCSC. I was a nice kid, but pretty clueless. So one day I'm riding the bus up to UCSC, with a PSB t-shirt on (the one with Neil holding a giant bundle of long-stemmed roses), and this guy starts chatting with me about what a big Pet Shop Boys fan he is, and how I should come over to his dorm room and check out his collection of rare B-sides, etc.

Needless to say, I was very excited. We made plans, and I ended up in his suite, listening to Pet Shop Boys records and tapes for a few hours, before heading back home. He seemed a little confused and annoyed when I left, but I thought nothing of it at the time, and we never hung out again.

It took me about 4 years before I realized what a clueless straight-boy I was.

My favorite PSB song is "Being Boring."

I remember hating West End Girls when it came out. I didn't come around until later.

And is there a thread for "Electronic," my favorite supergroup of all time?

schwantz, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

As to the last, use the search function. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

"Also: Always thought Tennant's allusion to Edmund Wilson's To the Finland Station in "West End Girls" was dead cool as well.

This is actually a direct reference to Lenin's famous itinerary during WWI. "

i always hoped it was a reference to finlandskii station in st petersburg. thanks for confirming!

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

This is actually a direct reference to Lenin's famous itinerary during WWI.

The title of the book is as well. One in the same, Spence.

Or rather, is there something about the song that leads you to believe this is a specific reference to the book, and not just to the historical event? Did the book 'popularize' the event?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh and I haven't answered the original question: No.

daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Or rather, is there something about the song that leads you to believe this is a specific reference to the book, and not just to the historical event? Did the book 'popularize' the event?

You may be on the money here, Spence. I was under the impression that it was the book that popularized the expression, but I might be entirely wrong.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 22:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Seriously, is there anything better than those double-disc Pet Shop Boys reissues, with better sound, all the b-sides, demos and rarities relegated to disc two, and incisive, funny liner notes from the pair?

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost, I'm curious too and will look into it.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 23:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Pre- the first singles collection, arguably not much better in the way of literate, challenging dance-pop.

Post- that release, probably lots that might be better. Their quality control seemed to go to shit & they became the joke that was always made about all their songs 'sounding the same'. They seemed to get lazy & much less inspired.

little meh, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link

They were still great on "Very", but their output has been somewhat more patchy after that. Lots of great stuff on "Nightlife", though, which I consider their most underrated album.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 23:35 (nineteen years ago) link

wow, i had no idea....i always had to defend my love for psb. can we talk about the voice? its so smooth, queer and nasal yet strong and sexy - hot!! I esp. love it when he says "Phan Tum UV Thuh AAH PUH RA" on "Theatre" and the voices at the end that go crazy. Also Love "Go West" - again that voice and that ridiculous anthemic disco beat they apply to everything.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 23:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Very, I remember hearing but once but not keeping.

Sounded so clunky I remember though. It was like they ran out of gracefulness in musical and lyrical ideas really suddenly. Which was about the only thing that really saved them when paired with the thin and near-formulaic programming they had in their music.

little meh, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link

that ridiculous anthemic 80's disco beat they apply to everything always smacked of laziness and a too-rigid & limited musical scope to me... took them a long, long time before it got to be a bad thing though.

little meh, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link

wow, i had no idea....i always had to defend my love for psb.

Lest anyone forget that the negative effects of rockism are REAL!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 23:57 (nineteen years ago) link

"One And One Make Five" is their most underappreciated song.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

the rockism at home was really bad. i'm glad i have a name for it ....now i begin my recovery (seriously)

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 00:06 (nineteen years ago) link

wow, i had no idea....i always had to defend my love for psb.

I had no idea either. Never understood what people liked about them.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 00:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Interesting, J-rock! You and I have many similar tastes but I can sorta sense why they might not have been your thing. Can you tease it out a bit?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 00:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I dunno. It's kinda hard to put my finger on, and I haven't listened them in years, but Neil Tennant's voice never did anything for me and their sound didn't seem to ever vary much. A lot of their material struck me as being rather formulaic. I used to get rather annoyed when people would discuss them in the same breath as New Order or Depeche Mode, but I've relaxed a bit since then. Having said that, I did always enjoy their cover of "Always on my mind".

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 02:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Bud Powell is probably better than the Pet Shop Boys. Charlie Parker was probably just a little bit better than the Pet Shop Boys. Just a little bit, of course, it was a tough battle, but I think, in the end, that the yardbird wins this one...

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 03:03 (nineteen years ago) link

James Brown? the Hi Rhythm section? Zig and George? it's tough, but ... in the end, I think the African-American geniuses take this one, sorry...

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 03:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I checked the magic 8-ball, and ... looks like Led Zep and Morbid Angel come up on top as well.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 03:06 (nineteen years ago) link

party pooper

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 03:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm just answering the question! I'm allowed to, right? If the thread said, "let us praise the Pet Shop Boys", I would admit that I like a single here and there. Or I wouldn't say anything at all. But the thread asked a question, and I answered. And while I'm here I'll put in a word for the dear departed Oscar Brown, Jr. -- I think this great man, who just passed away, did a lot to enrich a lot of lives, even if yr avg anglophile fucknut doesn't care who he is, and so he should probably be celebrated a little bit too. Not as much as the Pet Shop Boys of course, but a little bit.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 03:34 (nineteen years ago) link

or sorry, i thought this was a nancyboy disco beat lovefest.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 03:45 (nineteen years ago) link

"Young Offender" is the best song on Very.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a t-shirt that says:

Pet Shop Boys >>> Morbid Angel

x-post

tipustiger, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:11 (nineteen years ago) link

In response to the original question:

pre-1996 PSBs: probably not
post-1996 PSBs: plenty

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I would put ABBA above them, I think. But nobody else.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Not even Teddybears shtml?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:25 (nineteen years ago) link


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