the landfill that time forgot: crap uk bands of 00s/10s

maybe Laserlight is good? Idk

man, this list made the rounds on music twitter today

anyway ... i love that Vaccines song

Yeah, lots of very angry and upset thirty and forty somethings on Twitter

The Libertines, Franz Ferdinand, Arctic Monkeys, Kooks, Fratellis, Kaiser Chiefs, Kasabian, Bloc Party, Razorlight, The View, Glasvegas, Jamie T, Foals etc aren’t landfill indie + are responsible for some of the best music during their times. The rest are despite some good songs.

— - (@CammyLockdown) August 27, 2020

if I were to make a list of "not landfill" bands on there, that would not be the list.

FF and Bloc Party aren't even on the list, are they?

Why is it always landfill indie tho and not, say, landfill folk or whatever.

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Oh God, the replies to this. So if a band are earnest and hard working they should be above criticism?

That @vice feature on ‘Landfill indie’ - lots of tweets about it. Sneery jibes about bands and kids that wanted to make music. Loads of youngsters liked those bands and it was their entry point into loving albums and gigs. I stand with the kids who made the music. Cheap shots

— Tim Burgess (@Tim_Burgess) August 27, 2020

folk was not clogging up the near-entirety of uncritical pop radio broadcast output is why

weird hate for this everywhere today. the article is obviously a love letter! for the music but also for the time and place. most of the capsule reviews are raves!

mix of not clicking thru to the article and beyhive equivalency

also (more reasonably maybe now that the war is long won): fans disliking the nailed-on dismissiveness of the generic term for their chosen love object

the article does a fair job of making a case for this terrible reactionary music, luckily its terrible reactionary fans are filling the gaps

my favourites are the "Band X from this list are completely different to all the other bands" but somebody says it about *every band on the list*

No denying the greatness of The Kooks

wondering about hypnotherapy to conduct an experiment on whether a bunch of these records would be less bad if i could forget what the artistes look like

folk was not clogging up the near-entirety of uncritical pop radio broadcast output is why

― mark s, Friday, August 28, 2020 4:24 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

it was in the u.s. circa 2012

oh no

2007, which is surely the peak of the landfill era, had a LOT of massive radio hits that had nothing to do with landfill indie, it isn't really true that pop radio was entirely clogged up with the Fratellis or the Kaiser Chiefs or whoever.

(There's also a lot of provincial high street rock music that even now gets heavily played on Radio 1 and exists outside of critical narratives altogether.)

During the next couple days I am going to listen to every single one of these songs. My goal is to find one that I like. Just one. My hopes are not very high.

― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 27 August 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Why would you do this to yourself. I listened to about 50 albums/tracks from a list recently and I knew I was going to enjoy most of it. How much do you need a song?

I’ d like to stand on the landfill event horizon, where two minutes is a like a million years when you get cornered by some wearisome rock-band guy who just keeps repeating: this isn't fair - i don't even belong here!

― calzino, Thursday, 27 August 2020 21:37 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Why did I read this to the tune of Once In A Lifetime by Talking Heads

imagine thinking that Kooks, Fratellis, Kaiser Chiefs, Kasabian, Razorlight, The View and Glasvegas are all "above" landfill

tbh some reluctant respect for writing this article just as we hit 20 years since early 00s 'The' bands rock resugence and trying to distract from that

Hey wait we're still in the nu-metal revival era. Don't jump the gun.

If you were being charitable the Kaiser Chiefs might be a tiny sliver above landfill status on the basis that they were huge, and I Predict A Riot is pretty solidly embedded into the national consciousness, but none of the others are.

An act beloved of 6 Music are returning after 15 years.

Can you guess who it is?

Join @steve_lamacq on Tuesday from 4pm to find out. pic.twitter.com/2gHHmUFOHT

— BBC Radio 6 Music (@BBC6Music) August 28, 2020

it's Arab Strap, wish they weren't doing this on this fucking show.

in the interests of science I am going to listen to this top 50 landfill classics playlist today. I think I know about 7 or 8 of these songs and of those I kind of like 1 of them, so my hopes are not particularly high

someone is not happy :

https://www.nme.com/features/landfill-indie-snobbery-2741199

oh wow Mark Beaumont still has a "job"

"unstable new formulas of electro-ladrock" is one for the ages lol

there is a delicious irony in almost every line of that piece that i could manage to read before the curling of my toes hurt but apart from a dude my age using the phrase "ageing bitterness" maybe the best thing is a defence of INDIEEEE decrying other people's snobbishness

fuck me i might need to poll this

i might need to poll this

bright, intense fission of reactionary anti-glamour, pristine melody, societal cohesion and dangerous sex

i would like to apologise to Mr Beaumont who i now realise is 3 years younger than me and hence understandably defensive when people are mean about the skiffle bands of his late middle age

Mark Beaumont has read the title of the article and scrolled down the list without reading any of the blurbs. I mean I basically did the same at first, but if I were being paid to write an opinion piece about it I would probably read it in full before coming to a conclusion.

it's funny cos he whines about snobbery then writes some really snobbish shit about The Fratellis and Scouting for Girls

Who exactly he is writing for here? I'm not sure what the demographic is here but I'm pretty sure that no one under the age of 30 even remotely cares about any of these bands.

yeah i was gonna say it's probably had more attention from people taking the piss than anybody invested in their student disco years, altho it has to be said that some people invest v heavily in their student disco years, they're just unlikely to be reading nme.com in 2020 you'd guess

there may be a smidgen of a point in there somewhere, as a person who listened to a fair amount of what could be termed shit indie music in my teens/early 20s and still has a lot of fondness for it, there is a narcissism of small differences with my disdain for pretty much all of this landfill era stuff. in my case it's probably because most of these bands just weren't being derivative of music I liked, or I would probably have liked them more, god knows I seem to have endless patience for bands shouting over recycled hardcore punk riffs ad infinitum.

maybe there are some people for whom that kind of guitar strumming I can only describe as "jaunty" does the same for them, and who I am I to deny them?

I've made it almost half way through the list, and I actually liked songs by Pete & The Pirates, the Rifles and the Paddingtons so far. most of the rest was really kind of just bland rather than actively upsetting tbh. iirc I liked a couple of Young Knives songs at the time just not that one.

ok but whoever it's aimed at the mark beaumont piggybacks off (and extends) the combination amused and offended buzz the vice piece received: unmoored from nme lo! these two decades and counting, internet-nauts still angling for that sweet sweet hate-dopamine* see the response(s) taking story to day like 5, and click thru anyway (maybe a handful will stick with what they see! seems unlikely but even monetary readership boosts are better than drip-drip-drip readship dips)

*(this would NEVER be me)

Also really this is howling about loss of influence - Vice is transparently anachronistic and past-it but is still more culturally relevant than NME has been for 10-15 years now.

Mark Beaumont's previous column contained a paragraph in which he warned the kids about a return to the days of Turin Brakes and Starsailor, which says a lot his cultural reference points. (Also once again, who is it aimed at?)

tbf a return to the days of starsailor wd probably be bad

the great stool-rock revival of 2020

NME banked and pushed on this brand of landfill lad-rock so they owe a lot to these lame bands, but defending them 20 years later is kind of sad.

Vice should respond with an article where a Grandad enlists the relative merits of each Pokémon.

Also way to miss the point, as I understand it the Vice article is sort of celebrating these songs.

yes, as Camaraderie noted

NME banked and pushed on this brand of landfill lad-rock so they owe a lot to these lame bands, but defending them 20 years later is kind of sad.

If Mark Beaumont is writing for the blog version of NME regularly, and wasn't just hauled out to grump for clicks, I'd assume he's the only person working for the site who was old enough to read it in the McNicholas era, let alone have worked there

Definitely the first instance I have read of landfill-scoffery being a class thing

I just checked on Twitter and Beaumont's tweet promoting this article has barely had any attention at all - positive or negative. Bleak.

Encouraging morelike

Don't throw the litter out with the landfill

there is a delicious irony in almost every line of that piece that i could manage to read before the curling of my toes hurt

― A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, September 1, 2020 7:49 AM

Perfect