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― calstars, Friday, 7 August 2020 01:49 (four years ago) link
JD enjoys being the Supreme Leader of What Yacht Rock Music Really Is and he will not have anyone telling him what it is.
"trademarked the term out from under us" is an absolute classic. Dude needs a better lawyer.
― Ira Einhorn (dandydonweiner), Friday, 7 August 2020 02:41 (four years ago) link
I didn't see that JD thread as angry - he was just correcting Richard Marx on his assumption that it was a derogatory term and also pointing out that it's not just a catch all for soft rock in general
― chonky floof (groovypanda), Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:53 PM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
this, and also calstars otm
seeing this as some form of gatekeeping is just really missing the point
― budo jeru, Friday, 7 August 2020 03:04 (four years ago) link
I’m totally in favors of being a serious nerd about this, its hella lame when ppl are all “billy joel! billy ocean! I love Yacht rock! Lolololol”
― brimstead, Friday, 7 August 2020 03:28 (four years ago) link
Yes
― Temporary Erogenous Zone (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 August 2020 03:28 (four years ago) link
I suppose you could theoretically say there's a kind of conflation happening there that's equivalent to pretty much tagging everyone over a certain age as boomers.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 August 2020 04:20 (four years ago) link
had no idea Yacht Rock lifers would have such a Manowar-ish attitude towards the posers in their scene
― popeye's arse (Neanderthal), Friday, 7 August 2020 04:41 (four years ago) link
"do u even know Michael McDonald's eldest's child's name is??? do u?"
― popeye's arse (Neanderthal), Friday, 7 August 2020 04:43 (four years ago) link
― brimstead, Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:28 PM bookmarkflaglink
I had a friend bragging that she finally liked hair metal and then announced the band she liked was REO Speedwagon
o_o
― popeye's arse (Neanderthal), Friday, 7 August 2020 04:47 (four years ago) link
She couldn't fight that feeling any more!
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 August 2020 04:52 (four years ago) link
idk man, definitions / conceptions of musical genres can (and should) change over time, you just gotta accept it
just gotta roll with the changes
― budo jeru, Friday, 7 August 2020 05:01 (four years ago) link
nicely done
― popeye's arse (Neanderthal), Friday, 7 August 2020 05:09 (four years ago) link
kev’s mullet is the bridge between speedwagon & metal
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 August 2020 06:38 (four years ago) link
"Ridin' The Storm Out" is borderline metal. Kevin Cronin's scat singing on "157 Riverside Avenue" from the same live album most assuredly is not.
― henry s, Friday, 7 August 2020 12:07 (four years ago) link
Maybe we need a hardcore yacht rock term like hardcore punk to denote a purist, extremist version of the genre, with less purist versions emanating out like peaceful, gentle waves on a tasty Saturday afternoon.
― Mom jokes are his way of showing affection (to your mom) (PBKR), Friday, 7 August 2020 12:14 (four years ago) link
Heard it from a friend whoFinally liked hair metal
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 7 August 2020 12:41 (four years ago) link
yacht rock shouldn't have gatekeepers, it should have harbour masters instead
― Boris the Spreader (NickB), Friday, 7 August 2020 13:13 (four years ago) link
Calling some band he's probably never listed
lol they did a concert together! You're super wrong on this thread.
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 7 August 2020 13:15 (four years ago) link
― popeye's arse (Neanderthal)
well, looking at REO Speedwagon as a producer's band, wondering what the board's take on Fortune's S/T from '85, produced by Kevin Beamish, is. I feel like that album is more hard-edged than the REO Speedwagon stuff I've heard. Honestly one of the chief things that differentiates "hair metal" from other forms of metal to me is its concern for the sort of production values espoused by "yacht rock" or "AOR", values which have, I would argue, essential continuity with later forms of chart music, and which certainly are diametrically opposed to the production values espoused by TRVE CVLT metal. It's probably a cliche by now to point out that Max Martin got his start in hair metal...
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 7 August 2020 14:11 (four years ago) link
some guy on rym has actually made a yacht metal list:
https://rateyourmusic.com/list/PhantomOTO/yacht_metal/
― Boris the Spreader (NickB), Friday, 7 August 2020 14:26 (four years ago) link
incidentally i note that fortune did put out a reunion album last year - beamish appears to now be retired and isn't involved, but i'm surprised at how much i am enjoying it, even if the production lacks the full crispness and sheen Beamish brought to it. still a marked improvement over the boom box demos on their "limited edition prerelease ep" from '17. the idea of shittily recorded (i'm not talking "lo-fi", these are really just abominably shitty recordings) AOR songs is conceptually fascinating but actually listening to them is about as recommended as drinking Kykeon is.
I love the ethos of present-day AOR albums. They're completely unironic and sincere (or at least _pass_ for unironic and sincere) in a way that seems more or less impossible for "yacht rock" these days. This is exemplified by the cover, which is both a call-back to the first album cover - which isn't universally known, but certainly will be familiar to anybody listening to their second album - and an encapsulation of AOR's ethos. Whereas the original album's cover featured a gloved, elegant female hand (possibly _not_ an overt reference to "smell the glove", but I find it impossible to not think of that Spinal Tap record) opening a safe, the second album's cover features the same female hand, this time wearing an even more ridiculously over-the-top bracelet, adjusting the dials on a pre-amp. What a perfect encapsulation of the AOR ethos!
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 7 August 2020 14:29 (four years ago) link
I find it amusing we're talking about REO Speedwagon in this thread when a friend showed me this compilation the other day:
https://www.discogs.com/Various-Now-Thats-What-I-Call-Yacht-Rock-2/release/15457853
― MarkoP, Friday, 7 August 2020 14:30 (four years ago) link
― Boris the Spreader (NickB)
but is there a yacht prog list? speaking as a lady who far prefers "danger money" to uk's self-titled, i'd love to hear more music with that vibe
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 7 August 2020 14:31 (four years ago) link
I was going to say "is there Yacht hip hop" but I remembered Magna Carta Holy Grail came out years ago
― popeye's arse (Neanderthal), Friday, 7 August 2020 14:32 (four years ago) link
@ Kate - fair point on the production side of things. The original Yacht Rock series (in one of its later and somewhat stretched-thin episodes), went to some lengths to make sure the public understood that Ted Templeman produced basically the entire discographies of both the Doobie Brothers and Roth-era Van Halen.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 7 August 2020 14:45 (four years ago) link
― calstars, Friday, 7 August 2020 15:23 (four years ago) link
george duke sample on that too
― Boris the Spreader (NickB), Friday, 7 August 2020 15:29 (four years ago) link
wait, what am i saying? it's bob james
― Boris the Spreader (NickB), Friday, 7 August 2020 15:36 (four years ago) link
magna carta doesn't feel yacht to me, other than he's richLarry June had v yacht rap vibeshttps://youtu.be/Wy1D7FhoJes
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 August 2020 15:41 (four years ago) link
― Doctor Casino
my favorite ted templeman story is that captain beefheart specifically hired him in the hopes that he could do something like "observatory crest" and what came out instead was "big eyed beans from venus". oh my oh my.
"observatory crest" is quality yacht rock mind
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 7 August 2020 17:03 (four years ago) link
the first “yacht rock” thing I saw made fun of hall & Oates “portable radio”, it was extremely not funny
― brimstead, Friday, 7 August 2020 18:08 (four years ago) link
my partner saw REO perform in between Tesla and Def Leppard at some winery a few years ago. sounded like a pretty sad scene (def leppard excepted)
― brimstead, Friday, 7 August 2020 18:11 (four years ago) link
― calstars, Friday, 7 August 2020 20:14 (four years ago) link
I'm playing drums for a friend's mom's surprise 60th birthday party this summer, and this is the set list:
Freedom at Midnight - David Benoit6-String Poet - David BenoitThe Way It Is - Bruce HornsbyPeg - Steely DanDo I Do - Stevie WonderWhat a fool believes - Doobie BrosVirtual Insanity - JamiroquaiGot To Get You Into My Life - Earth Wind and FireBack Pocket - VulfpeckHigher Love - Steve WinwoodDon’t Stop Til You Get Enough - MJKing of Wishful Thinking - Go West
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 2 June 2021 16:00 (three years ago) link
the Slate “Hit Parade” podcast episode about Yacht Rock is out from behind the paywall - Ned posted about it way upthreadIt’s pretty great. Gives a good breakdown of Ryznar & gang’s criteria as well as some chart history of some of the big names — a good refresher if you listened to the showit made me go back & listen to old eps real talk though- i avoided the podcast for a long time because it pissed me off that coworkers would say “oh my favorite genre is yacht rock” and talk about seals & croft and i’d get all angry-kermit-the-frog like “aaagh seals & croft isnt even yacht rock! also its not a real genre its made up by writers! you just dont want to say you like adult contemporary!” but im ok now lol
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 02:23 (three years ago) link
i now appreciate how music-nerdy it is, and that it’s designed to alienate casual music fans in a way that morbidly delights me
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 02:25 (three years ago) link
Hate to break it you veg but Seals and Crofts are on the boat
― calstars, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 03:03 (three years ago) link
Bread has to be considered 'proto-yacht rock' as much as the Stooges are 'proto-punk' as "Baby I'm a Want You" definitely has the smoothe.
Just the title alone has given me chuckles since I was a teenager.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 03:05 (three years ago) link
xpost doh
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 03:15 (three years ago) link
i’m very into the steve lukather/toto of it all, tbh
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 03:32 (three years ago) link
does 'yacht rock' alienate casual music listeners? the adult contemporary station in my city does a yacht rock specialty program every saturday night (w/ that specific branding) and given that it's not a very adventurous station otherwise i have to assume it's far from the only one
― dyl, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 03:48 (three years ago) link
Yacht rock is meant to alienate people that do not own a yacht.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 04:00 (three years ago) link
i didnt mean the broad genre as it exists out in the world -i meant the ryznar group & the podcast & the detailed criteria of why things are or are not yacht rock
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 04:07 (three years ago) link
ah yeah fair enough, i find all that pretty alienating myself
― dyl, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 04:30 (three years ago) link
:D
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 04:45 (three years ago) link
as long as it alienates parrotheads, thats the most important thing
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 14:54 (three years ago) link
Do I Do - Stevie WonderVirtual Insanity - JamiroquaiDon’t Stop Til You Get Enough - MJ
If even these are yacht rock, I've been yacht rocking since before yachts rocked.
― i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 14:57 (three years ago) link
the problem with the expansive "Yacht rock" playlists and Sirius channels is that they want to include mostly big hits, and many of the most yachty songs were minor hits, non-hits, or deep cuts.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 15:20 (three years ago) link
I mean I guess they technically made it onto the boat with a couple later songs, but "Summer Breeze" is decidedly marina rock, nyacht yacht!
I really dug the podcast eps where they would define other new genres, like divorcecore and what have you. Was kind of bummed when that concept eventually fell by the wayside.
― Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 16:45 (three years ago) link
Yeah, The divorcecore one is especially great, I’ve revisited that one several times.
― calstars, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 17:41 (three years ago) link