Women in electronic/dance music

the field get this too, except he is actually crap as well as being made to sound crap

Ha ha Klock actually looks exactly like someone I've slept with. (I don't think it was him though)

But the writing I'm talking about mostly scrupulously avoids discussions of appearance.

yeah it's weird, it's more like the frankenstein flower pic in the sense that it's like "she is speaking to me with her mind...groooan, it is pretty"

OTM!

He/She lashes my mind and body with beats that seem to invade my very sense of personal identity. I float on a wave of unknowing.

speaking of Mary Anne Hobbs, I heard an older show by her where she big ups a female dubstep producer named Subeena and goes on a little rant about how wrong people are for saying there aren't any female dubstep producers... well anyway, the song was great. don't know the name of it and it doesn't seem to be on her myspace, but i'll definitely be keeping an ear out for her stuff.

i actually only date female dubstep producers

asian ones

There's Vaccine, who's been on Mary Anne Hobbes' show.

thread needs more youtubes imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig3l42p7SNw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZDaf2_wTuk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qsUWui6bJY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvpgiiotL0U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlcLiQ09b4A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ64DgfE6dU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34dAPDM2W3E

Some things I just want to highlight...

i think sometimes music fans regard musicians in the way that creepy folks regard the objects of their desire in their real lives, and the idealized notion of who they ought to be can result in further enamoring or a whiplash sense of betrayal and subsequent hatred or condescending disappointment. maybe it's more pronounced w/dudes and how they regard female musicians.

A thousand times yes. Though music fans do this with artists they admire of both genders, most men are so homophobic as to utterly repress or deny the "creepy" aspect of their obsession with male musicians, in a way that they feel totally justified in doing to females. (I fully cop to being guilty of this phenomenon myself, with the genders reversed - but it's amazing how much more flack I get for that aspect of my fandom.)

it's interesting that pretty much all of the techno women we've been talking about also (co-)run their own labels and other projects - maybe to gain recognition even within a female-friendly scene like techno, you have to be the sort of focused and driven woman who will also take on the business side of stuff?

This is something that Frances used to say a lot, before she basically friend-dumped me.

Maybe it's that you have to be the slightly insane and driven enough to survive in an all male environment without being run off. (How I often feel in threads like this.) Maybe it's because traditional labels (mainly the majors, but the indies are just as bad) where they say, in all seriousness, things like "we'd sign you but we've already got a female artist." If you want to do things on your own terms, in your own way, without being squished into someone else's box, you have to create your space. Especially if you have to be an independent minded person in the first place to even *survive* doing this stuff.

Anyway, I'm gonna try to stop carping and check out some of these artists.

I suppose it's very different for the other people on this thread, because it is all just THEORY for them. Whereas this is the kind of shit that actually affects me every day of my creative life.

A thousand times yes. Though music fans do this with artists they admire of both genders, most men are so homophobic as to utterly repress or deny the "creepy" aspect of their obsession with male musicians, in a way that they feel totally justified in doing to females.

This is totally true, and I think it's more obvious and emphasized in largely male-dominated genres like electronic music, where there's not too many women to obsess with.

You'd be one of the non-homophobic non-repressed ones tho I take it Tuomas?

Yeah, but I don't generally obsess over musicians, male or female. Except maybe Marc Almond and Grace Jones.

Maybe ILX can arrange a meet'n'greet

So far, I've liked Ada and... erm, didn't catch the name of the artist with the light fixture the best. But that could be down to genre familiarity more than anything else.

I always get caught out by the trainspottery hair-dividing nature of the genre categories. I know one has to have labels with which to assign one piece of music's relationship to another, but I'm just not familiar enough with the terminology of electronica to have any meaningful discussion.

Oh, the artist with the light fixture just got really, really good. I like the use of the stereo field and the kind of slippery noises that ricochet about. What genre is this, oh hair-splitters of ILX? ;-)

Add Estroe to the list of producers I had no idea were actually female. I'm not sure what you'd call her really, just straight house music really.

i would like to see more (any?) f/f and m/f duos.

I don't think I even understand what "house" music is any more. It meant something completely different in the late 80s/early 90s, didn't it? There's not one single "OOM-tish" in that entire track. It's much more organic and textural.

kate, that's estroe. i'd just call her techno i guess. she fit into minimal when that was released, i guess, but hardly rigidly so.

xps

xxp there really was no-one who gave a shit about that last Miss Kittin & The Hacker album was there (me included)?

it was rubbish, but the miss kittin solo one last year was surprisingly great!

I'm listening to more Estroe stuff on YouTube, yes I like this. A lot.

"Not everyone understands house music. It's a spiritual thing. A body thing. A soul thing"

(^_^)

Um. OK, I don't understand house music then. Keep 'em coming, The Lex! I really enjoy the video linkage, good to have them all up in a line to listen to at work.

(Do you have to understand something to like it or enjoy it, tho? perhaps another thread.)

Sorry, not related to the post, but just thought I'd stick it here for clarity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WpERMtL-AY&feature=PlayList&p=C40218B3F32E55D4&index=0&playnext=1

Just my little "joke", nothing personal.

Anyone like Vera's stuff? Only just heard her because of her remix of clan destino's last single, moodsupport, really love this! 'hooked up with da drums" is pretty good too

And Miss Fitz/Mayaan Nidam, too.

oh shit yeah i knew i was forgetting someone - really enjoyed the maayan nidam album this year. good late-night stuff.

yeah i like vera a lot, cherry blossom. will definitely check that remix. the first LLFO was one of my favorites from last year (ultra spacey minimal house tool)

i love vera, she's probably my favourite out of the whole oslo camp. very tracky in an aspect music/melchior productions sense. great dj as well.

how comes kate bush never comes up in these discussions? the dreaming is one of the great fairlight albums imo

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2099/2068101929_e5ccb65484.jpg?v=0

http://www.lgblog.de/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/delia_derbyshire.jpg

beate bartel from liaison dangerouses?

http://paulineoliveros.us/site/files/Image/PO_Pieter_Kers.jpg

delia and pauline, yes?

also a fan of ursula...

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/shookdown/ursula%20bogner.jpg

gah http://blogs.sfweekly.com/shookdown/ursula%20bogner.jpg

and we can't forget daphne!

http://lh6.ggpht.com/abramsv/SKzrVrB3o-I/AAAAAAAAbAE/sWqhCTcIA9M/s640/Daphne276.jpg

johanna beyer
clara rockmore
bebe barron
pauline oliveros
daphne oram
delia derbyshire
cathy berberian
ruth white
alice shields
wendy carlos
eliane radigue
daria semegen
joan labarbara
annea lockwood
ruth anderson
maggi payne
maryanne amacher
laurie spiegel

― Friday, August 27, 2004 5:49 AM (4 years ago)

micheline coulombe saint-marcoux
else marie pade
beatriz ferreyra
pril smiley
priscilla mclean
laurie anderson
mireille chamass-kyrou
monique rollin
megan roberts
constance demby
suzanne ciani

that's through 1980

+ annette peacock
laetitia sonami
hildegard westerkamp
cynthia webster (have not heard her stuff, but she founded Synapse

Um, psychgawsple, isn't Ursual Bogner actually Jan Jelinek? And therefore not actually a woman?