well yes :)
maura (or whoever), tell more about these newsletters
― imago, Monday, 27 July 2020 15:00 (three years ago) link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/07/24/substack-email-newsletter-journalism/
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 27 July 2020 15:19 (three years ago) link
oh i've been seeing this 'substack' thing a lot recently yeah
― imago, Monday, 27 July 2020 15:34 (three years ago) link
i've always had a bone to pick with pitchfork but they've always exuded an imo unearned sense of authority
there's an incredibly long thread here on ILM that takes Pitchfork to task for everything from participating in the music industry PR game to not giving BNM to certain genres to failing to catch grammatical errors to adjusting their year-end lists to make certain ~statements~, which suggests their sense of authority has been entirely earned whether you/we like it or not! If it's unearned what the hell is this cursed thread about?
― rob, Monday, 27 July 2020 15:37 (three years ago) link
the title should really be changed at some point
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Monday, 27 July 2020 15:45 (three years ago) link
8.0 with no BNM is their traditional jazz album score
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 July 2020 15:48 (three years ago) link
It's also the score they gave the 1975's latest, which suggests it's also their traditional "Brad" album score.
― MarkoP, Monday, 27 July 2020 15:49 (three years ago) link
That's because the entire field of contemporary jazz deserves a 8.0 iirc.
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― pomenitul, Monday, 27 July 2020 15:50 (three years ago) link
Jazz is really great right now
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 July 2020 15:51 (three years ago) link
Yeah but can you think of a recent jazz album about which you can credibly say that 'no music has ever sounded quite like it'?
― pomenitul, Monday, 27 July 2020 15:52 (three years ago) link
that's a pretty strict litmus test for any music
― The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 July 2020 15:53 (three years ago) link
Well, yeah.
― pomenitul, Monday, 27 July 2020 15:54 (three years ago) link
should have got the BNM (Brad New Music)
― ||||||||, Monday, 27 July 2020 15:55 (three years ago) link
I feel like The Comet is Coming, Sons of Kemet, Malaya McCraven are all doing very unique work to name a few
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 July 2020 15:55 (three years ago) link
Plot twist: Fetch the Bolt Cutters *is* a jazz album, first and foremost.
― pomenitul, Monday, 27 July 2020 15:56 (three years ago) link
i mean obv not like taylor swift/bon iver level reinvention of music as we know it but still
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 July 2020 15:56 (three years ago) link
matana roberts too?
― imago, Monday, 27 July 2020 15:57 (three years ago) link
fetch the bolt cutters is a jazz-hands album
The new Zara McFarlane is really inventive
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 July 2020 15:58 (three years ago) link
Does the Coin Coin series feature Rashomon-level Dawson’s Creek-type narratives? I think not.
― pomenitul, Monday, 27 July 2020 15:58 (three years ago) link
I don't really know what we are talking about anymore
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 July 2020 16:01 (three years ago) link
I'm not necessarily in love w/the album, but I don't feel like the review really considers the music deeply enough (or maybe it just uses the terms "indie" once too often). I also think it probably deserved BNM, but whatevs.
― Your dream has symbolic content (morrisp), Monday, 27 July 2020 16:02 (three years ago) link
8.0 is a pretty good rating?
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 27 July 2020 16:03 (three years ago) link
I mean, it looks like it is to me but I know absolutely nothing about the ratings on Pitchfork tbh.
The Coin Coin series is literally Matana Roberts sorting through her own family's history with slavery, Jim Crow, etc. through music and multimedia art, so...yes?
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 27 July 2020 16:06 (three years ago) link
I need to rewatch dawson's creek
― the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Monday, 27 July 2020 16:07 (three years ago) link
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown)
thread finally delivers--I didn't know this was out already!
― rob, Monday, 27 July 2020 16:08 (three years ago) link
I'mma step out of my passive-aggressive irony and simply state the obvious (to me): contemporary jazz is infinitely more interesting than most of the shit that gets reviewed on p4k and Coin Coin Chapter Four: Memphis, for instance, deserved way better than an 8.3. Also, Taylor Swift's music is more like a 2.0 and as much as I enjoy Fiona Apple's previous albums, Fetch the Bolt Cutters bit off more than it can chew and is more of a 7.0 in my book and certainly not deserving of its plaudits.
― pomenitul, Monday, 27 July 2020 16:09 (three years ago) link
C'mon unperson, you didn't seriously think I meant that sincerely.
― pomenitul, Monday, 27 July 2020 16:10 (three years ago) link
…not that any of this really matters, of course, but how else are we supposed to shoot the shit on I Love Music?
― pomenitul, Monday, 27 July 2020 16:12 (three years ago) link
hehe, according to this, the average contemporary jazz album reviewed by pitchfork really is close to a 8.0
https://i.imgur.com/0tNiohS.png
― The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 July 2020 16:13 (three years ago) link
lol
― pomenitul, Monday, 27 July 2020 16:13 (three years ago) link
i don't know if contemporary jazz is better now than in the past, it certainly feels like there is a lot of energy and people doing interesting things in a number of very diverse directionsshout out to the jazz thread and unperson for hipping me to a lot of it in recent yearsbut it could be I'm just paying attention now!
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 July 2020 16:14 (three years ago) link
Jazz has always been good.
― pomenitul, Monday, 27 July 2020 16:15 (three years ago) link
fwiw UMS, there have been two jazz BNMs this year with >8.0 scores, so maybe pitchfork agrees with you..
― rob, Monday, 27 July 2020 16:18 (three years ago) link
that's good! which ones?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 July 2020 16:58 (three years ago) link
fiona apple and bob dylan
― the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Monday, 27 July 2020 17:03 (three years ago) link
lmao
― imago, Monday, 27 July 2020 17:06 (three years ago) link
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 July 2020 17:43 (three years ago) link
hahahait was the McCraven/GSH reworking and the new Jeff Parker, which both have pitchforky qualities I suppose, but are also deserved
― rob, Monday, 27 July 2020 17:46 (three years ago) link
Parker album is great but yr right Tortoise associations probably help
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 July 2020 17:50 (three years ago) link
Parker and McCraven are both signed to International Anthem, which was the subject of a Pitchfork feature article earlier this year as a label that's "rewriting the rules of jazz."
― jaymc, Monday, 27 July 2020 18:06 (three years ago) link
damn, the Zara McFarlane is something else, not even remotely like what I was expecting
― rob, Monday, 27 July 2020 18:16 (three years ago) link
the title should really be changed at some point― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Monday, July 27, 2020 11:45 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Monday, July 27, 2020 11:45 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
look I know there's a lot of posts in here but we haven't hit #34985859340293849495 yet
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 27 July 2020 18:19 (three years ago) link
I really liked McFarlane's first album - even interviewed her for Bandcamp - but I haven't dug into the new one yet.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 27 July 2020 18:23 (three years ago) link
i feel like a lot of people don't really understand how large numbers like these are. at our current pace, it could take over 3 years to hit #34,985,859,340,293,849,495
― The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 July 2020 18:32 (three years ago) link
Still thinking about this one pic.twitter.com/V7YXzLe1Pj— Jeremy D. Larson (@jeremydlarson) July 27, 2020
― mozzy star (voodoo chili), Monday, 27 July 2020 19:03 (three years ago) link
unreal
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 July 2020 19:18 (three years ago) link
― The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Monday, July 27, 2020 2:32 PM (fifty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I don't know, if we count every tweet about this well-written positive review as a post I think we're probably pretty close
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Monday, 27 July 2020 19:23 (three years ago) link
oh my god @ that tweet
― dyl, Monday, 27 July 2020 20:44 (three years ago) link