also your suggestion is pretty much what every media company tried to do with “pivoting to video” and all it did was piss off readers and make web sites more impossible to read.
― maura, Monday, 27 July 2020 00:16 (three years ago) link
peering past fantano + the small number of successful semi-serious cultural critics(/'video essayists') on youtube, most of the successful 'criticism' on that platform, if you can call it that, comes in the form of shallow but dramatic 'reaction videos' that perform well with too-online fandoms + scoop up plenty of curiosity clicks if released asap following the records they're responding to... by and large it is tremendously difficult for someone whose specialty is thoughtful criticism to make that work in the video medium
― dyl, Monday, 27 July 2020 01:52 (three years ago) link
I'd also submit that there's a certain charisma needed to be a compelling video reviewer that a lot of excellent but introverted or self-conscious writers (music or not), simply don't have. Their words might be compelling on the page, but their self-conscious camera shy-ness might not be. It'll probably come more naturally to a younger generation who are more natural in front of cameras due to their increasing prominence in everyday life, but honestly, I can't bear to watch myself back on video. I know that probably says more about my own insecurities than anything else, but I wouldn't be surprised if others felt the same way.
― triggercut, Monday, 27 July 2020 03:36 (three years ago) link
youtubing is a very vapid medium. it's not conducive to the concept of arts criticism. could you imagine ppl clamoring for literary criticism to move to youtube? "has the london review of books thought about trying youtube?" -- nobody. fantanto is sui generis bcuz he tapped into the rap nerd contingency among reddit and 4chan posters... it's a large group of ppl online (eminem fans) who weren't being catered to by pitchfork, rolling stone, fader, xxl, etc. good for them, they can have each other. there is no fantano model w/o the fantano demographic, and to suggest that ppl should want to sign up to engage w/ that audience is not a position i would agree w/ at all.
there's actually a good deal of fairly successful music podcasts... it's a far more conducive medium to discussion of art. still, most of the popular ones -- song exploder, mogul etc -- are either ideas that wouldn't be best on a web page or threats to narrative features/storytelling moreso than criticism per se. and in places where there is a popular discussion podcast -- i.e. nyt popcast, rolling stone pod -- i don't think you'd hear anyone say that the success of the podcast is damaging the worth or reputation of the accompanying written journalism.
― J0rdan S., Monday, 27 July 2020 04:29 (three years ago) link
As an occasional consumer of music criticism, I can affirm that I have zero interest in watching a YouTube music review (of course, I’m just one, Gen X aged guy).
― Your dream has symbolic content (morrisp), Monday, 27 July 2020 04:53 (three years ago) link
imago at 7:10 26 Jul 20happy to read any links about failed pivots to video obv but i wouldn't have thought funding so much as lack of execution or the right approach would be the issue
or you could do it yourself and not just assume your zero info gut reaction needs to be disproven
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 July 2020 04:57 (three years ago) link
8.0
rip bradNelson
― The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 July 2020 05:28 (three years ago) link
We reviewed @TaylorSwift13's new album https://t.co/w6hqBCUUIq— Pitchfork (@pitchfork) July 27, 2020
The stans are already out in full force
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Monday, 27 July 2020 05:30 (three years ago) link
What are they mad about? It's an extremely positive, generous review. The only real negative criticism it has is the (accurate) claim it's maybe a couple of songs too long.
― triggercut, Monday, 27 July 2020 05:36 (three years ago) link
here's me
ከጨለማው ንግሥት በኋላ ፣ ቴይለር ስዊፍት በኋላ የሚመጣ ማንኛውም ሰው ብቻውን ይሞታል እና ለዘላለም ይቃጠላል። በጨለማ ፍርሃቶችዎ እና በአጋንንትዎ ይሞላሉ ፡፡ በጭራሽ ደስተኛ አትሆኑም እና እንደገና በደንብ pic.twitter.com/3cPy3K1sZz— s h o e b¹³ (@hauntedghostss) July 27, 2020
― ||||||||, Monday, 27 July 2020 06:08 (three years ago) link
wtf? that’s disturbing
― Your dream has symbolic content (morrisp), Monday, 27 July 2020 06:20 (three years ago) link
0.2 higher & safer than expected
― Ludo, Monday, 27 July 2020 06:31 (three years ago) link
for the health and safety of their writers this site should make it clear writers don't choose scores
― devvvine, Monday, 27 July 2020 12:18 (three years ago) link
worth noting j0rd that the two popular discussion podcasts you cite are offshoots of established outlets
― maura, Monday, 27 July 2020 12:26 (three years ago) link
LJ, I found this by typing "pivot to video" into the Google search bar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pivot_to_video
It took me a total of 3 seconds.
Also, we were all around and kicking 5 years ago when this nonsense happened so I don't believe that you are actually unaware of it.
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 27 July 2020 13:14 (three years ago) link
omg i wasn't aware of the gallows euphemistic use of the phrase, posting it here on ilx is literally like walking into the oscars and asking if everyone thought television was the future
― imago, Monday, 27 July 2020 13:18 (three years ago) link
lmao sorry
and yet...written criticism is definitely suffering atm? what is to be done
― imago, Monday, 27 July 2020 13:19 (three years ago) link
hang the bosses obv
― the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Monday, 27 July 2020 13:20 (three years ago) link
LJ do you have some genetic disorder that prevents you from just admitting you don't know what you're talking about?unless you've actually worked in running a media outlet that tried to make money on video, you don't, trust me,
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 July 2020 13:40 (three years ago) link
i was admitting my mistake there! then asking how written criticism has to adapt? all the big qns
― imago, Monday, 27 July 2020 13:42 (three years ago) link
― devvvine, Monday, July 27, 2020 8:18 AM (fifty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
for the health and safety of everyone metacritic should make it clear neither writers nor editors wrote their score weighting algorithm
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Monday, 27 July 2020 14:00 (three years ago) link
but critic is now a vocal, bardic tradition
Am I supposed to be LOLing @ this?
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 27 July 2020 14:04 (three years ago) link
― devvvine, Monday, 27 July 2020 14:11 (three years ago) link
do you have some genetic disorder that prevents you from just admitting you don't know what you're talking about?
New board description.
― pomenitul, Monday, 27 July 2020 14:15 (three years ago) link
(i am on the spectrum if 14 years yesterday of my posts hadn't alerted u to this)
― imago, Monday, 27 July 2020 14:10 (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― imago, Monday, 27 July 2020 14:16 (three years ago) link
;)
I left out 'LJ' on purpose btw.
― pomenitul, Monday, 27 July 2020 14:17 (three years ago) link
just imagine if i'd played the aspergers thing up, what a monster i truly could've been
― imago, Monday, 27 July 2020 14:18 (three years ago) link
it's weird that i know plenty of people on the spectrum and yet they are not routinely full of shit
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 27 July 2020 14:24 (three years ago) link
like of course i know you're on the spectrum lj, you bring it up constantly as a defensive shield in arguments?
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 27 July 2020 14:25 (three years ago) link
anyway, i'm logging out
brad c'mon this is a bit much, what is ilx for if not shooting the shit and road-testing opinions, u know i am not set in my ways and constantly have my mind changed about things, yeah i've always had a bone to pick with pitchfork but they've always exuded an imo unearned sense of authority, and yes i know i'm probably being a little uncharitable, but they are so prevalent that it's v hard to see them through anything other than a distorted lens
― imago, Monday, 27 July 2020 14:27 (three years ago) link
i don't have any beef with the individual pitchfork writers (well, the odd historical exception, but none among present company!)
― imago, Monday, 27 July 2020 14:30 (three years ago) link
for me, the fact that i frequently exhibit behaviors common in people who have been diagnosed with asd means that i need to put _more_ work and thought into how i present myself online.
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 27 July 2020 14:34 (three years ago) link
LJ I hope you know that however much you wind me up, it's all love
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 July 2020 14:56 (three years ago) link
well yes :)
maura (or whoever), tell more about these newsletters
― imago, Monday, 27 July 2020 15:00 (three years ago) link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/07/24/substack-email-newsletter-journalism/
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 27 July 2020 15:19 (three years ago) link
oh i've been seeing this 'substack' thing a lot recently yeah
― imago, Monday, 27 July 2020 15:34 (three years ago) link
i've always had a bone to pick with pitchfork but they've always exuded an imo unearned sense of authority
there's an incredibly long thread here on ILM that takes Pitchfork to task for everything from participating in the music industry PR game to not giving BNM to certain genres to failing to catch grammatical errors to adjusting their year-end lists to make certain ~statements~, which suggests their sense of authority has been entirely earned whether you/we like it or not! If it's unearned what the hell is this cursed thread about?
― rob, Monday, 27 July 2020 15:37 (three years ago) link
the title should really be changed at some point
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Monday, 27 July 2020 15:45 (three years ago) link
8.0 with no BNM is their traditional jazz album score
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 July 2020 15:48 (three years ago) link
It's also the score they gave the 1975's latest, which suggests it's also their traditional "Brad" album score.
― MarkoP, Monday, 27 July 2020 15:49 (three years ago) link
That's because the entire field of contemporary jazz deserves a 8.0 iirc.
xp
― pomenitul, Monday, 27 July 2020 15:50 (three years ago) link
Jazz is really great right now
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 July 2020 15:51 (three years ago) link
Yeah but can you think of a recent jazz album about which you can credibly say that 'no music has ever sounded quite like it'?
― pomenitul, Monday, 27 July 2020 15:52 (three years ago) link
that's a pretty strict litmus test for any music
― The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 July 2020 15:53 (three years ago) link
Well, yeah.
― pomenitul, Monday, 27 July 2020 15:54 (three years ago) link
should have got the BNM (Brad New Music)
― ||||||||, Monday, 27 July 2020 15:55 (three years ago) link
I feel like The Comet is Coming, Sons of Kemet, Malaya McCraven are all doing very unique work to name a few
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 July 2020 15:55 (three years ago) link
Plot twist: Fetch the Bolt Cutters *is* a jazz album, first and foremost.
― pomenitul, Monday, 27 July 2020 15:56 (three years ago) link