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What's the consensus on Tim McGraw's cover of "When the Stars Go Blue"? That was my favorite from Ryan Adams's Gold album and I'm curious to know if he did anything interesting with it. (I didn't think the Coors/Bono version was an improvement, fwiw.) For years I thought Tim was nothing but eye candy but his tastes in covers have started to pique my interest.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 16 March 2006 20:34 (twenty years ago)

creepiest cdbaby page i've seen (and no, i'm not gonna listen to the thing, are you nuts?)

http://cdbaby_com/cd/j0hnnyrebel [not real link -- mods]

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 02:25 (twenty years ago)

And I wasn't aware of these; has anybody heard Shania's alleged late '80s rock stuff?:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/shaniatwain2

http://cdbaby.com/cd/shaniatwain

I had a copy of one a mid '90s pre-stardom CD by her once, but wasn't very impressed.

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 02:30 (twenty years ago)

(not really sure why I posted that johnny rebel link...just shocked by it, i guess. i know cdbaby pages are self-posted, but I would've thought the site would have some kind of weeding or monitoring process that would draw the line at the KKK, but I guess not.)

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 02:48 (twenty years ago)

(and looks like there are at least 2 MORE cdbaby CDs collecting those paul sabu-produced shania sessions - four CDs total, four different covers. i bet some people collect them all!)

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 02:51 (twenty years ago)

So, speaking of music about deserts, what do people think of Alejandro Escovedo? I'm five songs into his new one, and drawing a blank. Once in a while the guitars will bunch up for dramatic effect, I guess. Mostly it sounds like "mood music to go onto a soundtrack of a romantic indie movie about the desert." Hard to imagine what *purpose* it would serve, beyond a movie soundtrack. The first song, "Arizona," seemed best at this -- sort of like Stan Ridgeway with a less interesting (which maybe just means less off-key) voice, or something. Second song had new wave production touches. But now I'm getting bored. (Do people think of Alejandro as a songwriter? I was under the impression they did, but if so, I'm not hearing why.) (Though as a desert soundtrack, I guess this beats the new Calexico.)
-- xhuxk (xedd...), March 16th, 2006.

I have not heard it yet, but isn't this new one produced by John Cale? Alejandro has always proclaimed his love for slow-tempoed Velvets and Mott the Hoople songs, and he crossed that with a bit of country and Mexican sounds to create that atmospheric minor chord approach of his.
One of his recent cds was produced by Chris Stamey I think, who pushed/encouraged Alejandro into writing an upbeat pop # or 2. I have always liked him live, but the last time I saw him(with several cello players, a violinist and more)I had the impression that his songwriting had gotten into a rut. But I was just glad to see him alive frankly, as he had been in the hospital suffering from hepatitis c and other ailments. He was sitting down for the whole show.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Friday, 17 March 2006 14:52 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Cale produced it. But I'm guessing, from the sound and from what you say, that Alejandro must be one of those guys who bizarrely believes that the Velvets (and Mott?!) were polite parlor-room chamber musicians rather than bands who knew how to rock and roll. Too bad. (I never liked the Cowboy Junkies or Galaxie 500, either, though, so what do I know?)

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 15:05 (twenty years ago)

I am glad to hear he's beating the Hep C, though. Sad to hear, but good for him.

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 15:07 (twenty years ago)

Alejandro has done noisy Stooges and Ramones covers for years as encores, and always talks fondly about his memories seeing such groups. Remember, now 50 something Alejandro was in the San Fran 70s punk band the Nuns before he went the roots and alt-country route. He knows how to rock, he just chooses not to. I wish he'd mix it up and do a little of both.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Friday, 17 March 2006 15:24 (twenty years ago)

Might be good to get that J R link deleted, before some of his fangoons show up. Wasn't Alejandro also in Rank And File for a while? And he was in the loud True Believers (three guitars, I think). Started early, maybe he just got louded out, by the time he became an Austin icon of chamber alt (ND's Artist Of The Decade). Kid brother of Santana's Coke Escovedo,and they're uncles of Sheila E.

don, Friday, 17 March 2006 21:02 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, good point about JR link Don; I just made a moderator request to delete it. (And if any mods see this, please do so, thanks.)

My review of my favorite current band featuring an Escovedo is here:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0344,eddy,48162,22.html

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 21:14 (twenty years ago)

yeah, something about a fucking dwarf tellin' you to hit the bricks...

Yeah, it was piling on. Unsportsmanlike conduct, personal foul, fifteen yards and ejection from game. Jewels was left for last, which is hard, you could see it coming with the judges who were having a hard time distinguishing between the polish, so the last person up gets dinged for overcooking it somewhat in front of the TV audience.

Cowboy Troy would be good in a redo of that abominable Chuck Norris series about two Texas marshalls who administer savage beatings to a few people -- er, varmints -- every episode. Troy would be great for the sidekind, better than the original sidekick. He's bigger for one, and he could unsling his belt and use it as a lash, bonking people -- er, varmints, in the head with the giant oval belt buckle.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Friday, 17 March 2006 21:21 (twenty years ago)

Ok, I took one for the team and listened to Johnny Rebel. Like it sez, the "band" plays swampbilly. Sort of old timey as in 50's - 60's but pro sounding, like Coe's Penitentiary Blues in tone. "Looking for a Handout" is probably the least offensive. By themselves, ignoring the lyrics, the tunes are catchy. Hard to tell if it sold like hotcakes as claimed. Interesting to see the claim made as segregationist music, not in an art or political sense, but for a buck because it was what they could sell.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Friday, 17 March 2006 21:40 (twenty years ago)

Okay, not trying to be impatient, but shouldn't that Johnny Rebel link be gone by now if the moderators told me hours ago on their forum they were taking care of it? Weird.

Anyway. Johanna Stahley's *I'm Not Perfect* (she's from NYC, I think) is a better Sheryl Crow album than the last Sheryl Crow album. Sounds more like when Sheryl liked beats, back in her "Leaving Las Vegas" days. First song is called "My Big O (I Can)," and, judging from the album cover photo, may well be about the singer's Big O and the achieving of it thereof. Also, she imitates Steve Tyler in it. Another highlight is the one where Johanna falls for a bartender. And even the songs with sorta dreary words don't sound like they do.

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 01:21 (twenty years ago)

Some sites sell Coe's (self-) bootleg of x-rated material, which seems to be mostly sex, judging by the lyrics I've read, though there's one about interracial sex, which uses the n-word, and a subset of these sites also sell J*@## R#$%^& and other stuff, which they like to imply is Coe too, but he vehemently denies it on his own site. (No free links for him either, since he also may have done more n-word-ploitation, according to some reports.)(Didn't try to deal with this in the ancient Voice piece, xxhuxx, because I had even less firsthand knowledge then than now). And has been quoted (On fanboards) as denouncing racism in concert. (Though I think he may've been doing something else in a local show, something more ambiguous, at least,in his proto-Slim Shady devious way, back in the late 90s, cos we had people coming into the store the day after, looking for "that song," though they wouldn't quite say which one; just hopin' I'd know, yknow justbetweenus). Nick Tosches' book Country discusses some of the (J&**^ R**&^%) type of stuff.

don, Saturday, 18 March 2006 02:13 (twenty years ago)

xp! (I typed this before seeing Don's post):

>pro sounding, like Coe's Penitentiary Blues in tone<

Interesting. This reminded me of some redneck asshole when I was in the Army who had what he claimed to be an underground racist "joke" LP by Coe (who I believe *did* use the "n"-word in one of his country hits, as some sort of stupid pun), but in searching on line, this website claims some such records attributed to Coe may have *been* Johnny Rebel:

http://www.answers.com/topic/david-allan-coe

Other websites say there were a couple such "X-rated" Coe albums sold under the name Mysterious Rhinestone Cowboy, exclusively to bikers via *Easy Riders* magazine, and at least one of the song titles sounds explicitly racist, so who knows? (I'm guessing the persona was Coe's equivalent of Clarence Reid's Blowfly? No idea how seriously he took it.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 02:34 (twenty years ago)

(My google-proofing instincts aren't what Don's are, apparently. If somebody wants to camouflage JR's name, I've got no qualms. I never heard of the guy til yesterday; had no idea he was such a known entity beyond his cdbaby page)

The actual Coe hit with n-word I'm referring to is "If That Ain't Country": "working like a n***** for my room and board" (not a pun, I guess; I'd remembered it wrong.)

What makes Johanna Stanley's CD so boppy, I figured out, is how her bassist and drummer play full-on late '60s bubblegum soul beats in three straight songs in the middle -- "The Bartender Song," "What You're Doing," and "Misery," the latter of which doesn't sound miserable at all. Tapdancey alley-cat rhythm of "I'm Not Perfect" (a Rickie Lee or Norah Jones move?) and George Michael Diddleybeats of "Nothing I Would Change" are nice, too.

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 02:58 (twenty years ago)

i used to have a boot of coe singing the line working like a nigger for my room and board--and it always made me a little sick.

i think that for a variety of reasons (research, vehement anti censorship, free speech, the only thing that kills mould is sunshine, historical value) that johnny rebel should be availble, and that it was wrong to ask cd baby to take it down. though i am often a hypocrite about this, and sometimes my analysis and yellign seems like a calling for censorship, and i most lilkely feel worse about other words

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 18 March 2006 03:09 (twenty years ago)

Who asked Cdbaby to take it down? I'm just surprised they didn't remove it on their own. (And of course it'd only be "censorship" if a law was passed demanding they take it down. Which I would oppose.) (Though not as much as I'd oppose a law telling them to take down the sundry r&b records for toe fetishists and goth records for s&m fetishists I've seen on there.) (Maybe Anthony misunderstood my remark about the moderators? I was referring to the ILX moderators; Don suggested the J.R. link be removed from *this thread.* Which I agree with; in fact, if you look above, I was regretting posting it mere seconds after I did.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 03:20 (twenty years ago)

No, we weren't asking cdbaby to take it down. The "working like" line has never seemed gratuitous to (old white Southern) me, because it(cunningly, re xpost ambiguShadyploitation) fits the context of declaring his redneck credentials, and adds to them: not only cause of using the word, but because rednecks were given to understand that they weren't *quite* as exploited as the lowest caste/class was, or so they were spozed to think (and thank G-d for). But in practice, they (at least the lowest, White Trash, sub-Salt Of The Earth) shade of red might well find his or herself working like that. (Coe presents his family as being pretty no-class, in that song, some live renditions of which are epics of bad tooth, if-you-don't-got-it-flaunt-it selfloitation that preempt almost everything except maybe Larry The Cable Guy in Vegas, Ah suspect.)(when LTCG's not doing Family Entertainment on the Blue Collar Comedy Tour). By the way, I spell out "redneck" not because of reverse discrimination, but because it seems (somewhut)less likely to be googled by trolls than the other one. I hope so, anyway.

don, Saturday, 18 March 2006 04:44 (twenty years ago)

The URL was either altered or you posted it including an error, xhuxk. What is in the message is www.cdbaby_com/cd/johnnyrebel and that's the equiv of a nothing address. It looks altered by mod so anyone can see it and correct it to get to the page, which is what I did, with no fear of attracting trackbacks.

Anyway, the guy's voice in "Looking for a Handout" resembled David Allen Coe's.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Saturday, 18 March 2006 05:28 (twenty years ago)

And may be his, no matter what he said later (he says and does allkinsa)

don, Saturday, 18 March 2006 05:52 (twenty years ago)

Not that his singing isn't pretty easy to imitate (even I can do it, to an extent).

don, Saturday, 18 March 2006 06:04 (twenty years ago)

apologies, misunderstood.

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 18 March 2006 06:52 (twenty years ago)

Coincidentally, there is a current radio show from the white power
organization, National Vanguard, that deals with this. Like it or not, across the net Coe is tied to Johnny Rebel, through a combination of denials, assertions that he did do some of this music, all coupled with an examination of some of his letter choons, so noted by xhuck. Wiki's biographical entry includes it. You can read the rest of the article by cutting and pasting the thing into your locator bar. The voice on the second tune cited again sounds, perhaps vaguely, like Coe.

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During America's sharp decline in the 1960s, there were a few bands that tried to compose some patriotic and pro-White music. I heard a few of these songs and they are really just god awful. The only pro-White music of any quality to come out of the 1960s and early 1970s, was with some American Country music, which has been lumped together to be called "Johnny Rebel." There were many different musicians touring the Southern honky tonks, playing these Johnny Rebel songs. There was one rather famous country singer that is rumored to have written most of the really popular of these songs, such as "Coon Town" and "Move those Niggers North," but if true, he wants to keep his identity private. There was even George Lincoln Rockwell who made an attempt at pro-White music with the band "Otis and the Three Bigots." Otis and his Bigots meant well, but the music was bad.


There were no mainstream record labels that would touch these songs, so they had no ability to become heard, let along rise in popularity. There was one famous Country music singer named David Allen Coe who used the word "Nigger" openly in a song in the 1970s. This song can still be heard in maybe 1,000 jukeboxes currently across America in small bars and restaurants. This song is "If that ain't Country." David Allen Coe also wrote another song that his mainstream record label refused to release. The name of this song says it all: "White Girl and a Nigger."

natvan.com/adv/2006/03-04-06.html

George 'the Animal' Steele, Saturday, 18 March 2006 16:23 (twenty years ago)

From metal thread; nothing about this guy is really country per se except the way he looks and sounds could EASILY appeal to Tim McGraw and Shooter Jennings fans respectively. (And also, Gretchen Wilson ably fills the Alison Moerer/Sheryl Crow role in "Picture" on the quite entertaining new live album by Kid Rock, who Huck is connected to, apparently):

>Also top of the playlist this weekend: Huck Johns, Detroit transplant to LA who google seems to suggest turned down a Velvet Revolver opening slot at least once. Looks like Tim McGraw to me, though I'm guessing he gave a lot more thought to picking his truckers hat and those Fleetwood Mac and Muddy Waters albums on the couch on the CD's back cover than Tim might give to more apparel choices. I won't hold that against him though. Album very much rocks, even the grunge parts, but especially maybe the tributes to "Highway to Hell" and ELO's "Turn to Stone", and the Seger "Ramblin Gamblin Man" cover and maybe more. (Which reminds me I need to get back to that live Kid Rock album soon too.) (Pretty funny too that Huck's Capitol Records subsidiary is called Hideout, same name as Seger and the Last Heard's label from Persecution Smith/East Side Story/Heavy Music daze.)
-- xhuxk (xedd...), March 18th, 2006.

Huck Johns is sounding better and better. Turns out he's apparently from Lincoln Park, MI, and wrote a song for Kid Rock once, though I didn't know that when I put them in the same paragraph up above. Album is basically mostly '70s Ford assembly line singer-songwriter hard rock; the "grunge" I refer to above has to do with ballads that remind me somehow of Stone Temple Pilots, one of one which, "One Good Man" (which I guess doesn't remind *that* much of STP) may have a possible gay undercurrent, given that Huck's searching for one good man in it. In his liner notes Huck thanks not only eternal Detroit AOR station WRIF and Seger but also Johnny "Bee" Badanjek of Rockets/Ryder fame, and the producer is one Arthur Pennhallow Jr--interesting, since I swear I remember a guy named Arthur Penhallow being a longtime DJ on late '70s/early '80s Detroit rock stations. So now I'm wondering if Huck's some kind of local Michigan hit. Weird that the CD's on Capitol, given that it seems to have way more in common to what you'd find via cdbaby.
-- xhuxk (xedd...), March 18th, 2006.

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 17:30 (twenty years ago)

Huck Johns' influences from his myspace page. Frankie Miller and Ted too, hmmm.

Bon Scott, MC5, Bob Seger, AC-DC, Chris Cornell, STP, Rolling Stones, CCR, Pink Floyd, J. Geils, Ted Nugent, Frankie Miller, Faces, Otis Redding, Iggy, Foo Fighters, Pearl Jam, Johnny Cash, Merle, Waylon, Willie

Sounds like I might even like it. If there's a pr e-mail or contact, send it my way so I can make a request.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Saturday, 18 March 2006 17:48 (twenty years ago)

That info would be at work, George. I'll check on Monday, though.

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 17:55 (twenty years ago)

Huck sounds like he's of the house and lineage of Akron-born, Grand-Funk-touring-with late 60s Coe. Were there other such back then? I'll have to dig up my early Creems, but the closest I can remember is a folksinger with attitude, not a country singer: Jonathan Round, who is decribed, in Rock-a-Rama, as doing a mock-Shakespearean "Sympathy For The Devil." (Before Bryan Ferry did his Tiny Tim Karloff version, and while the Stones were usually taken very seriously elsewhere in those pages.) And the reviewer say, "Aww whattya expect from a DEETROIT folksinger?" Made it look pretty good, but I never found it.

don, Saturday, 18 March 2006 19:44 (twenty years ago)

re "on Capitol, but seems more like what you'd find on cdbaby": isn't Tea Leaf Green on cdbaby? But, despite being credited to "Greenhouse Music under exclusive license to Reincarnate Music" also says "manufactured in the USA by SONY BMG MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT (st address) under exclusive license from Reincarnate Music." so what still possibly passes for the Majors, infiltrating the indie frontier? Bet Tea Leaf Green hasn't seen any big bucks from Sony yet. Strange album. My opinion still hasn't firmed up yet, but the auteur, Trevor Gerrard, seems like he's got his own (lived)version of the riddling spiritual-emotional crisis-quest of Hunter-Garcia.(Singing kinda Garcia-Furay, which shouldn't suit my tastes at all, but somehow it kinda does.) But he isn't a guitarist, which might help the vocal, cos keeps resemblence from being the usual jamband-begging-and-faring-badly-by-close-comparison. (Plus it's not really a jamband.) He plays piano, more like Chuck Leavell than the Dead's keybists. The whole thing is tied to (and kept in line by)his electric piano: as aural metaphor/setting (sparkling waters! Stream, creek, sometimes river) for the early songs about struggling/sticking with his roots/insularity, or venturing forth. So he does both. the piano also sets the overall rhythmic pace, so the other instruments tend to rustle, except the guitar[kinda Duane or Derek T. or Warren Haynes most of the time, though can be a bit like Dickie or Eric or yeah Tom V.] is maybe something in the sky, but over and through the backside of the trees. "5000 Acres" an interesting change of stylistic shading, cos the most Verlaine-ish, and it does deal with a forest fire, and suddenly reminds me of Patti Smith's Television profile in mid-70s Rock Scene (before they'd recorded, except as Neon Boys): she says that Tom and Hell started a forest fire in Alabama, just to watch it burn. (Perhaps inspired by Randy Newman's "Let's Burn Down The Cornfield" ["and make love while it's burning"]?)Plus, it's one of the few Tea Leaf Green lyrics that seems to acknowledge something happening in the present-day outdoors, that's not yet totally processed by Trevor's diffusion. I mean his methods (as bandleader-composer, dynamically, and making the guitarist seem like a hireling) get a bit too same-o, after a while, same as so many CDs. (LPs were shorter, so same-o couldn't spread so far, not as often as on CDs.) But I still listen, and maybe Trevor's programming me, we'll see.

don, Saturday, 18 March 2006 20:28 (twenty years ago)

from metal thread w/ typos fixed:

One caveat I gotta state about the Huck Jones album is that he probably does *too many* Stone Temple-style ballads. They're fine (less coagulated than STP's own early ballads were -- I'm talking STP in Pearl Jam not powerpop/glam mode here -- and, in Jones's "Forgiveness," almost more like a *Use Your Illusion* ballad done in a lower register), but they're really not the guy's best songs (so far I'm leaning toward lead cut/single "Oh Yeah," "Infatuation," ELO "Turn to Stone" rip "Kill Everything," and the Seger cover for those), and they seem too plentiful compared to his faster hard rock. Also STP's best songs weren't ballads anyway. But maybe a la Cargun, I'll decide Huck's aren't as grunge as they seem.

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 23:43 (twenty years ago)

This song can still be heard in maybe 1,000 jukeboxes currently across America in small bars and restaurants.

I'm betting Johnny Rebeltunes-type material is also popular in some enclaves of soCal. The LA Times went out and surveyed the white voters after the Bush victory, the counties that went for him which are in the interior deserts and such, also out to the Sierra's, and they sounded like Johnny Reb's. Mostly wanting to vote for Bush because they felt the Reps were better ready to do something about the 'illegals' and here's one quote paraphrased, 'cuz they carried/carry diseases and that's a threat to security. Same as 'Move them Niggers North," only 'Move Them Pickers South.'

George 'the Animal' Steele, Saturday, 18 March 2006 23:51 (twenty years ago)

"Pickers" sought out (if not brought here, or mailordered) by those Free Enterprisers who pay without taxes or Workmen's Comp to worry about, if indeed they end up paying los illegals at all. (What are they gonna do, complain to Uncle Sam?)Somehow such employers never seem to be the targets of such ire: if the pickers parade like crack-flaunting jailbait, right under the nose of Mr Businessman, what else can the rich man do? End of Editorial.Somebody should write a song. (Just now on the radio. Hazeldine's doing a female-sung, assertively folk-rocked "Whiskey In The Jarro": sounds like Thin Lizzy's, but kinda better)

don, Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:12 (twenty years ago)

Back from Austin and I'd just like to say The Mammals are more stomping live than you'd ever guess from their record.

And new Dixie Chicks single is streaming here:

http://music.msn.com/artist/?artist=16097852>1=7702

I dig. It's like the Chicks fronting the Hearbreakers. Oh wait, it basically is.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 20 March 2006 21:51 (twenty years ago)

Listening to this lo-fi New Zealand art-folk indie-rock album (EP?) by Pumice on Soft Abuse (which is very very pretty and I like a lot), I'm realizing that some Flying Nun-style New Zealand stuff is sort of country in the way the Mekons circa 1980 (*Devils Rats and Piggies* era; very early but not *extremely* early in their career) were sort of country. Frank wrote once (in *Why Music Sucks* I think) that New Zealanders did prettier things with Velvet Underground music than anybody (except maybe the occasional Clevelander), but I hear as much country Mekons here as Velvets. My favorite song is "Worsted," I think.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 12:01 (twenty years ago)

at risk of offending someone mightily, and im not sure who, i got rough shop's new album in the mail today, and though the ocver art is amazing, its kind of dull in that rough shod earnest indie way...

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 13:41 (twenty years ago)

who or what are or is rough shop??

xhuxk, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 13:47 (twenty years ago)

Rough Shop's a St. Louis group that Roy's working with. I posted about their "Far Past the Outskirts" above--basically, it sounds like good ol' tortured drone-country, sort of on that Mekons/Fairport Convention wavelength. I think it's pretty good, and just ugly enough for me. I like the songs that Anne Tkach sings, like "Destination Everywhere."

and Moody Scott's record is real good, the best kind of semi-pro you'll never see on Nashville Star...his raps are good (he doesn't really rap, but he definitely has some things to say about our particular moment in time), and it's all post-Malaco/I-55 bluessoulfunk, with a few cheeseball synthin-kitsch-sink keyboard ballads that because they're coming from Moody, aren't even unlistenable. and the "Something You Got Baby" he does links him definitively to some kind of weird New Orleans tradition I don't have all the links for--'cause it is Chris Kenner's '61 "Something You Got" except very slightly different words, same arrangement/melody. And good--so did Kenner cop his hit (which is really important New Orleans record, as far as that goes, since it started the "Popeye" dance/song craze of late '61, blues skolars) from somewhere else?

xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:22 (twenty years ago)

Detroit Disciples' Saving Grace has stuff belongs on current CMT. A lot of stuff. They're from Sonoma in my state, they tell me, and xhuxk must have liked them. And I can see why because the first three tunes, "I Can't Complain," "Government Man," and "Fallen In Love," are stellar singer/songwriter roots rock and very very catchy.

In fact, I'm astonished by the songwriting craft on just about ever cut, it only faltering by the last couple of tunes when they turn off the electric guitars. And at one point they even do something that sounds like Jackson Browne around "Running On Empty."

And I didn't think it would grow on me as much as it has. Also belongs in the category of heartland rock staked out by the Michael Stanley's of the country.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:41 (twenty years ago)

xhuxk: you should have gotten the Rough Shop CD by now. If it doesn't show up in a few days, I'll resend. Anthony: No offense remotely taken. Thanks for taking the time to listen. And I'll take some credit for the cover art 'cause it was my design, though Bob Reuter, St. Louis's best rock 'n' roll photographer, took all the photos. Anybody else want a copy, feel free to email me.

I got the new Bottle Rockets, and on first listen, it's pretty good, tougher than the last album, though I'm not so sure about the mastering. Kinda bright for what the band is going for. Release date is early June on Bloodshot.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:25 (twenty years ago)

Yep, George, I do like Detroit Disciples! (See upthread, circa Feb 2).

xhuxk, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:51 (twenty years ago)

But Roy! Tellus about SXSW!

don, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:58 (twenty years ago)

I agree, it made me immediately think of Michael Pare in the Eddie & the Cruisers movies. (There were two of them and the sequel was really really awful!) But Detroit Disciples overcome most of the bowling alley and roadhouse stodge with the actually great songs. It's obvious they mean it in the sincerest manner and that counts on some things, this being one of them. I can listen to it a lot easier than I can Yep Roc's roots-rock-with-paprika-and-other-spicy-weirdnesses CDs these days.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:05 (twenty years ago)

All kinds of thoughts swimming in my aching head about SXSW but I have 1000 words on these here Nina Simone reissues due in like 2 hours, so it'll have to wait--mostly. Of the 60 odd bands I caught I didn't see all that much country-ish that knocked me out. Biggest thrill was a full set by Roky Erickson (the resurrection is as real as anyone could hope for and something I never thought I'd see). Also: total funk tightness from Sharon Jones and an 8 piece version of Margot and the Nuclear So and So's and a very very rocking Willie Nile show, pick-up bass player and drummer not withstanding. But could someone explain the appeal of What Made Milwaukee Famous? They're like an even more faceless Emerson Drive (if that's even possible) with bogus hipster pretentions. Somebody must have thrown a lot of money at Esquire to get them on the Saturday finale at Stubb's.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:38 (twenty years ago)

Somebody should write a song

Well, obv. Woody did, but so did the Hag; if I recall correctly, it goes "The illegal immigrant is making America grow."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:52 (twenty years ago)

Speaking of Kid Rock, people (me) tend to forget how great Devil Without a Cause is. Was thinking about him because I recently borrowed Rage Against the Machine's Los Angeles from the library and basically felt sad listening to it, how these guys seemed to have the moves, the noise, the dance, the energy, but ended up dry-as-dull-dust, the splash of music not even there as a mist or a droplet - though the album went platinum, so someone heard something. And it clobbered Kid Rock in Pazz & Jop, though the Kid went 9 times platinum so what does he care? Anyway, Rage seemed to just be short of someone like a Kid Rock to find them tunes and emotion and humor. But Kid has been a mystery to me since then, mainly because I stopped following after that boring second album, but the little I've heard after that left me puzzled. So, any more thoughts, especially his would-be country escapades, but not restricted to those? It seems to me that though Rage needed someone like him, he also needed something like Rage, some rhythm and noise to put his nonlegit voice in full effect.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:17 (twenty years ago)

(xpost illegales songs)Don't know the Hag's; also, was thinking about Woody's "Deportee" and maybe "Plane Wreck At Los Gatos," if that's even the right title, but I don't know the words to either, well enough to know if they fit the condemnation-exploitation I was preaching about. Roky's revival was also mentioned in Parales' SXSW report,linked from the SXSW thread--that is really amazing. xpost Yep Roc spices, Shack Shakers' Pandelrium is mostly pretty solid, and although they're not (yet?) as accomplished as Gogol Bordello, I was comparing favorably even before I saow the Gogol link on the Shack Shakers site (and G.B. does tour the South fairly often, for that.) But also, if I could've figured out how to squeeze this into the forthcoming review, I would've added that my personal faves are the country-est, like "No Such Thing,"("Is that a bone in my leg? No, there's no such thing") and (country with rolling horizons)"Nelly Bell." Which could be a real obit set to music, and reminds me of a plainer "For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite," at least some of the words of which came from an old circus poster, Lennon said. Also the one on prev. Cockadoodledont, about Wilkes's neighbor, who gets drunk and sits on his horse in the front yard everyday. Man and steed are old, and don't race no more, but not falling down, not in the song, anyway.

don, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:42 (twenty years ago)

don't know if anyone else caught Billy Joe Shaver at SXSW but I'd never seen him live before and it was a real treat, equal parts hammy and heartbreaking, a sly, salacious old polecat who did an unbelievable song about "faxing" all night long with a girl from Kinko's that also compared cellphones to dick size and lamented that nowadays the ladies all wanted the "cowboy troy model." thought i'd die laughing. did almost all his classics ("old chunk of coal," "honky tonk heroes," "georgia on a fast train") and proved he could still hold a crowd with his latest "live forever."

also saw Rosanne Cash and The Little Willies (feat. Norah Jones) do an instore - Rosanne only did five songs and forgot a line or two from "Tennessee Flattop Box" but that was fine by me cause the other four she did were all from Black Cadillac and personally I'm loving that album.

oh yeah, and I caught Elizabeth McQueen and the Firebrands twice too, once right before Billy Joe - she threw out a bunch of free swag during "All I Need is Money" and I helped myself to a beer cozy.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:59 (twenty years ago)

I got to see the Rosanne set at Stubb's, first time I'd ever seen her with a full-on band, and I was surprised at how well she does chunky and loose rock, maybe it was the drummer (no idea who) or Larry Campbell holding forth on rhythm guitar so that her hubby could just play without atmospherizing as he tends to. I hope she's touring this band.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 20:14 (twenty years ago)

Ha, Frank, I can't even remember which "boring second album" by Kid Rock you mean! "Amercian Badass*? *Cocky*? There have been so many rip-off stop-gaps (most recently the live one, which I like just fine this week), I have trouble remembering which were the official ones. (Plus, *Devil Without a Cause* was something like his fourth; he actually had hinted at going the redneck route with *Early Morning Stoned Pimp* before that.) Anyway. All the ones since have had music I enjoy on them (more "music" than "songs"), and they're all pretty much been completely forgettable, and I assume I'll say the same thing about *'Live' Trucker* in two years, and I really don't mind for some reason. It's like the guy has taken a clue from his coked-out '70s country and rock heroes and settled on just being a dependable journeyman; I seriously doubt he has any interest in making an album as great as *Devil Without a Cause* again. And I disagree about him needing his own Rage Against the Machine. The Rage-style stuff on *Devil* (including, uh, the song with "rage" in the title) was the album's worst stuff, and the Twisted Brown Trucker Band have "the moves, the noise, the dance, the energy" at LEAST as much as Rage ever did to my ears, plus they've got a sense of fun and sense of humor and, hell, sense of funk that I never heard in Rage, so they *don't* end up dry as dust. (Though it's very possible I just never listened to Rage enough, or their vocalist got in the way of me hearing their music, like what happens to me with hip-hop so often.) I mean, Twisted Brown Trucker are more a hard rock boogie band than a complex Zep-style metal band I guess (I *assume* that's what people hear Rage as; am I wrong?), but that doesn't bug me. The first song on the live CD, "Son of Detroit," boogies quite funkerociously to my ears, and it's fun how they end with the Gap Band's "Outstanding". Oddly, the song that holds up worst for me on this CD (compared to its studio version) is "Only God Knows Why," which I think was my single of the year in Pazz and Jop the year it came out -- then again, maybe it's just that there's been such a huge and unexpected deluge of great Southern rock since then that it doesn't sound so special anymore, who knows. And I still kind of like "Picture," whether Sheryl or Alison or Gretchen are duetting on it, and I know you don't, Frank (not sure why, though.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 23:40 (twenty years ago)


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