kanye west

his genius as a producer can be partially witnessed on the janet jackson album damita jo cf. "i want you"

just one example among many

is this conversation really about his music

"I Want You" is kind of bad, though

ok then pretend i gave any other example from 2001-2004

yeah, in his prime as a producer, his shit was lit. like T.I.'s "Doin' My Job"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M95G-AKnflo

forgot about that freeway x twista song, that beat is crazy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0H_CwuLO1c

Is this where a bunch of the National fans get together and say the most gifted rap auteur of the 21st Century was never actually good

it's starting to become the thread where people post kanye beats that they love, a much better turn imo

oh in that case

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UArcNdxAKgM

I don’t get his ‘genius’ as a producer at all and to add insult to injury, his flow is wack.

same and I don't like bringing it up in wake of him wearing the MAGA hat because it sounds like you're just avoiding the difficult question of how to reconcile great artists with shitty views...but like honestly I really didn't get it, when I hear MBDTF I hear a dude who just has no clue how to master or engineer an album which sucks because there are some legitimately brilliant ideas on there. but too often it just sounds like it was mastered for the iPhone speaker. when he revealed that he thinks he can just rap into his phone and use that for the album it suddenly all made sense. he's gifted alright but sorta in the same sense of say Prince where you hear you're a genius so much that you start to believe that everything you do is genius and just stop editing yourself, except Kanye was doing this shit from his very first album

This dude is going to get people killed with his anti-vaxx shit, but sure, he's better than The National.

Those KKW notes are fucking abysmal

Checkmate, Whiney, I’m not a National fan either.

And at least one person who is itt is also a Kanye fan as far as I can tell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw7ukmZVQHg

Kanye's run from 2003 to 2016 is probably the greatest body of work of any musician of the 21st century, but everyone def come out with your contrarian opinions because he wore the Bad Red Hat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA_RhpEkkgg

and incidentally, I hadn't checked back on scarface since he contracted covid and:
https://www.bet.com/music/2020/06/18/scarface-coronavirus-diagnosis-survival-story.html

probably the greatest body of work of any musician of the 21st century

Unless it was an honest mistake and you just forgot to type the word "pop" into that post, fuuuuuck off.

Wow you must not have heard a lot of music between 2003 and 2016.

xxp

Unless it was an honest mistake and you just forgot to type the word "pop" into that post, fuuuuuck off.

― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:22 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yes, one day may Kanye West reach the heights of Defeated Sanity's Chapters of Repugnance or whatever

How about Anthony Braxton or Henry Threadgill?

It takes a special kind of person to claim that people didn't hate Kanye until he put on the hat.

much respect to Anthony Braxton, but he did not make "Otis"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoEKWtgJQAU

...and that’s ok.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDGtRo-O1Mg

Kanye needs to get properly medicated, quit running for president, reject Jesus and produce a new Freeway album

Kanye's run from 2003 to 2016 is probably the greatest body of work of any musician of the 21st century, but everyone def come out with your contrarian opinions because he wore the Bad Red Hat

― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten)

oh good we are Canon Building again, this never gets old

lmao at Whiney's insistence that 1) Kanye's work up to TLOP is somehow inscrutable and 2) supporting oppression and American fascism just boils down to "wearing the Bad Red Hat"

"i am concerned about kanye's acute bout of what appears to be uncontrolled mental illness"
"yeah well i bet you like The National"

what's happening here

fuuuuck this is nasty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k00DesCGjlM

whiney it's a bit more than wearing a bad hat, though i will defer to your expertise in that area

just blaze for president
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb6PJxprRME

xpost haha nice

Kanye's run from 2003 to 2016 is probably the greatest body of work of any musician of the 21st century, but everyone def come out with your contrarian opinions because he wore the Bad Red Hat

― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten),

talk about challops! holy balls

Just p4k doxa.

Do we have a Pick Only One: 2000-2020 thread?

Thread is on ILM so YouTubes is the way to go tbf.

oh man that Freewest track

Yes, even I like that one.

*Freeway

the other kanye-produced song on philadelphia freeway is also a banger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3l6N40lqck

i totally forgot that he produced ludacris's 'stand up' too, beats very much out of character

MBDTF sounds like a very 2000s album in a highly compressed, bit-crushed way. This trend was very much not in line with the tradition of big budget, ultra high clarity recordings, but it was a clear stylistic move at the time, and served its purpose well enough.

Kanye's a narcissistic asshole, yes, culturally dangerous even, and hasn't produced anything of artistic value imho since maybe 2-3 songs on Pablo. ehhh I actually liked Poopity Scoop as a joke but it's clear he's a good half decade past jumping the shark and reaching shore.

But holy shit, takes like "Kanye's run from 2003 to 2016 is probably the greatest body of work of any musician of the 21st century" being thoroughly trashed in this thread is some ludicrous revisionism. Name any other artist that had the pop cultural impact that dude did for a fucking decade in the 21st century. I can't think of a single one other than mayyyyybe Beyonce? Even as I type that it doesn't feel right though. He was at the zeitgeist of popular music and pop innovation for at least 10 years. Yeezus and The College Dropout are my two favorite records by the dude and are amazing to listen to even today, if you can put aside your feelings of him as a person, and that is incredible as they are nearly a decade apart. He was wildly creative and innovative; his very narcissism allowed him to bore head first into relatively experimental territory for a mainstream artist and was critically celebrated, here and elsewhere ad nauseum.

Yes, too much praise inflates the narcissistic bubble to cancerous tumor levels. Yes, he was a fucking asshole, to a certain extent, from day 1, but was grounded by his mother. Her death I think began the slow decline into the emotional cesspool he's found himself in today, that and honestly I feel he's been seduced by the darker sides of social media and authoritarian conservative culture. Do I think he's free of culpability for being a narcissistic closed minded prick? Hell no! But the amazing music he wrote or produced from 2000 - 2015 is still amazing.

I wish he had the sense of ambition and work ethic he exhibited up until 2010. His ambitions now are ersatz. MBDTF was rightly praised, even if it felt a bit Cremaster Cycley in its visuals and was musically celebrating his narcissism and cult of personality, but it was entertaining and reflected a lot of social media zeitgeist culture of the day. Indeed it was toxic. But it felt confessional and self aware. It was sonically diverse. Social media and "me culture" has now been revealed for what it always was now that the consequences have thoroughly washed over us as a culture. And now he's literally "phoning it in" and his muse is a shell of what it was, but fuck it shouldn't take away from those tunes. The fucking ruled.

Is this where a bunch of the National fans get together and say the most gifted rap auteur of the 21st Century

Kanye's run from 2003 to 2016 is probably the greatest body of work of any musician of the 21st century

Only people I've ever heard say silly shit like this unironically are white rock critics who don't otherwise pay any attention to, let alone give any serious critical praise to, anything other than white indie rock bands like the National lmao (major lol @ those same people who tried to cannonize Yeezus as some revolutionary "industrial" album when in reality it is just mixed and produced like a Youtube poop video).

And 2016??? Do any actual fans of Kanye even claim Pablo or hold it anywhere near the same esteem as his first couple of albums??

He was at the zeitgeist of popular music and pop innovation for at least 10 years.

This is a more sensible take. Whiney's challop was less circumscribed, and calculatedly so.

my challop is that the first couple of albums are corny and bad and 808s is the peak