it's not called "girls are stupid"...it's addressed to one person the narrator is calling stupid!
Yeah--I think the worst you can accuse it of is rock-star pettiness, Neil getting his back up over some perceived but specific slight, the kind of song Dylan wrote routinely in the mid-'60s (not all directed at a woman, but some were, I think). It's not a sweeping indictment of women. Wasn't Neil in general pretty good in that area during the '70s?
― clemenza, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 23:03 (three years ago) link
I know, "A Man Needs a Maid"...which is more complex, I think--because of the Carrie verse--than a quick reading suggests.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 23:05 (three years ago) link
right...but you don't have to be a rock star or even petty to be upset with a person and vent in song. Maybe the slight was legit! We just don't know.
― singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 23:07 (three years ago) link
I think for the generally assumed baseline of 70s rock guys being terrible to women Neil was relatively good
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 16 July 2020 00:46 (three years ago) link
Can't imagine him writing a lyric like the Faces' "Stay with Me."
― clemenza, Thursday, 16 July 2020 01:06 (three years ago) link
He could, but it'd be about a car he only drove once.
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 16 July 2020 01:24 (three years ago) link
Neil strikes me as someone who probably avoided a lot of potential groupie interactions by being weird and remote
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 16 July 2020 01:29 (three years ago) link
― clemenza, Wednesday, July 15, 2020 9:06 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, July 15, 2020 9:24 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
Thank you.
― Tōne Locatelli Romano (PBKR), Thursday, 16 July 2020 11:35 (three years ago) link
That was great, yeah.
― clemenza, Thursday, 16 July 2020 12:58 (three years ago) link
Everybody Knows This is Nowhere A-After the Gold Rush A+Harvest ATime Fades Away AOn the Beach A+Tonight's the Night B+Homegrown A-Zuma A-American Stars n Bars BComes a Time CRust Never Sleeps A-
― walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Thursday, 16 July 2020 16:56 (three years ago) link
For me, every album in that rundown would get at minimum a solid A except Harvest (A-), American Stars 'n Bars (B+) and Comes a Time (B+).
― birdistheword, Thursday, 16 July 2020 19:43 (three years ago) link
is anyone else struggling to get hold of a vinyl copy of this? I've had one on order for nearly a month. Is Neil pressing them himself perhaps?
― Neil S, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 09:19 (three years ago) link
Home pressed is a good thingTake that bell and let eewarpskopskip
― The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 10:56 (three years ago) link
mine came in the mail last week, ordered it around the time the album came out
― mozzy star (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 12:53 (three years ago) link
the store I got it from (Deep Thoughts in JP/Boston) got 20 copies on release day and they were all gone within 48 hours
― sleeve, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 14:09 (three years ago) link
There's been a bandwidth issue in the vinyl industry for years and it's going to get worse
I'd imagine something like Homegrown is particularly in demand on vinyl
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 14:14 (three years ago) link
I'm in the UK, and my supplier said they would have copies available in "early July", and no sign.
I knew about that UMS, I think Record Store Day really exacerbates those shortages, perhaps even this year when that event was online only.
I should have just go the Pono version and a Pono to play it on!
― Neil S, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 14:52 (three years ago) link
i would like to know if the number of Pono listeners is greater or less than 500 people
― The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 14:56 (three years ago) link
Xpost - oh yeah everyone who puts out records talks about the RSD bottleneck
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 14:57 (three years ago) link
I guess what I should have said is the label probably estimated how many copies to press based on previous archives releases and there ended up being way more demand than anticipatedeven WB can't just snap their fingers and make new vinyl appear in a week
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 14:59 (three years ago) link
this happened with Le Noise as well, Discogs prices on that are still completely insane
― sleeve, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 15:16 (three years ago) link
recent Neil LPs do seem very pricey, anything from Freedom onwards goes for ridiculous money. I was lucky to find a copy of Harvest Moon for £10 fairly recently.
― Neil S, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 15:25 (three years ago) link
I've come around on this album.my wife got me the vinyl for my bday a month or so ago and I've grown to love it!
― rascal clobber (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 27 August 2020 04:01 (three years ago) link
I listened to it a ton in spring and early summer, but not for a couple weeks now. I think I will be playing it a bunch this fall; it has that kind of feel.
― trunk's full of pearl and lonestar (PBKR), Thursday, 27 August 2020 16:22 (three years ago) link
I've played it quite a bit, often within the context of his other LP's from that era. Not Harvest and Comes a Time, but the other three surrounding it and in chronological order: so Tonight's the Night, then On the Beach, then Homegrown and finally Zuma. I just love the progression from one to the next, just beautiful.
― birdistheword, Thursday, 27 August 2020 17:52 (three years ago) link
This was the perfect album for me this summer, played it a lot in the car June & July... my first cautious forays into the outside world after months of fearful quarantine, driving around in the afternoon sun seeing which things in my city have been closed and abandoned and which have remained, feeling anxious & scared but also safe in my little personal bubble, feeling the gutpunch of everything that's gone wrong but trying to remain thankful for what I have, playing this album with the windows down. One of those time & place listening experiences I'll always remember.
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Monday, 31 August 2020 17:54 (three years ago) link
otm. great timeless album. should have played it more often.
― walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 31 August 2020 19:45 (three years ago) link
big LOL that Robbie Robertson is the only musician on the album not mentioned in the special thanks section of the liner notes
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 03:19 (three years ago) link
ahahahaha good catch
― sleeve, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 14:27 (three years ago) link
would not be at all surprised if “We Don’t Smoke It No More” is a winking nod to the honeyslider
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 11 September 2020 02:40 (three years ago) link
I was just imagining if Neil tried to have it both ways back in '75, and put Homegrown out as the front half of a double w/Tonight's The Night as disc two. He probably had the clout to pull it off, and it vaguely makes sense as the most extreme of the big doubles of the era (Exile, Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, Physical Graffiti, Quadrophenia etc.).
Ultimately, going forward like that isn't Neil's thing, but it would have been an interesting timeline if he had.
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 26 September 2020 15:37 (three years ago) link
ugh, that would have been kind of amazing
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 26 September 2020 15:37 (three years ago) link
also, it would have been a highly RELATABLE double album. he's had so many concept-adjacent albums over the years, but homegrown+TTN makes 100x more sense than something like quadrophenia
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 26 September 2020 15:39 (three years ago) link
yeah kind of funny that neil *didn't* put out a double album (aside from the triple Decade comp) any time in the 1970s ... he was one of the few major artists who really had the material for it!
― tylerw, Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:29 (three years ago) link
right, and also i feel like he would have been a perfect fit for the kind of sprawling double-album that finds space for a few oddities/novelty tracks on it that are actually good, like a proto-pavement
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:41 (three years ago) link
nowadays his versions of those tracks (looking for a leader 2020) really are kind of bad (imo), but in prime ditch trilogy-era, they were all gold (imo)
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:42 (three years ago) link
You're not counting Journey Through the Past, I assume?
― clemenza, Monday, 28 September 2020 00:12 (three years ago) link
I feel like Tonight's the Night is its own universe and would not benefit by being part of a double album
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 28 September 2020 00:17 (three years ago) link
Haha not counting journey through the past
― tylerw, Monday, 28 September 2020 00:31 (three years ago) link
the kind of sprawling double-album that finds space for a few oddities/novelty tracks on it that are actually good, like a proto-pavement
That's actually a pretty accurate description of Journey, which has ample sprawl and at least one great oddity ("Soldier"). It is, though, almost 100% previous-released songs, if not versions, including, maybe weirdest of all, "Let's Go Away for Awhile" from Pet Sounds--not a cover, the actual track.
― clemenza, Monday, 28 September 2020 00:52 (three years ago) link
The Wikipedia on this record talks about it being "rebuilt" for release, and a large number of other songs being recorded in the sessions. So is Homegrown 2020 the same mix and running order that would have been released in 1975, or is it a modern-day reappraisal?
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 10 June 2021 21:40 (three years ago) link
Unless there's an acetate or tape copy in his archives, I think it's impossible to know. Since a few tracks were included on later releases, it's very possible whatever master tape that was assembled for Homegrown was dismantled and never put back together (and perhaps taken apart song by song). If that happened, he could've lost track of certain songs and maybe even remixed particular songs since there was no real reason to keep the old mixes to an album that wasn't going to be released imminently.
― birdistheword, Thursday, 10 June 2021 21:54 (three years ago) link
Although I get the feeling Neil keeps everything (especially the master tape of an unreleased album), and they could have rebuilt the record to match as closely as possible to the original master.
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 10 June 2021 22:04 (three years ago) link
RARE DITCH PROJECT
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 17 June 2021 15:47 (two years ago) link