You dumdums haven't polled the delight cast recording of Hamilton yet; let me help

And “Burn” is even more devasating now

sorry

sorry

but also huge shoutout to Anthony Ramos for actually ~seeming~ like a 9 year old? crazy

Ten Duel Commandments feels clunky and out of place. It's as if Lin needed us to understand how duels work for the rest of the show but decided a show-don't-tell way of getting there wasn't worth it, so he dedicated a song to it instead. The song made me cringe and the conflict was super low stakes.

Not gonna lie tho, this was my first time seeing Daveed Diggs in anything and he got me feelin helpless.

Satisfied stands out to me as a high point, the scene is incredible too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYb_8MM1tGQ

^^

oh boy, i just heard 10 duel commandments for the first time
i will refrain from further comment

I don't think the Biggie homage justifies its inclusion.

idk I think Ten Duel Commandments is important not just for duel background but it provides the 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9 refrain that becomes Philip’s theme (the use of which i love) and gives you a template for how the duels in the future don’t go as planned etc

I enjoy the song & its reprises too

I dont find it clunky but mileage varies etc

Just finally saw it. Loved it.

Thoughts on this thread?

why puerto ricans don’t claim lin-manuel miranda and why you shouldn’t support him [thread🧵]:

— lizdanelly ☭ 🇵🇷 (@lxzdanelly) July 4, 2020

the lefty political twitter hate for Hamilton is pretty amusing. But what the fuck was up with Tim Faust photoshopping Lin into a picture of the Epstein procurer, and then putting it back up again after it was pulled down?

I need to do a lot more reading with regards to that Twitter thread--I'm very out of this loop. My gut says to be aware that the initial framing (e.g., "why puerto ricans don't claim lin-manuel miranda") speaks for Puerto Ricans as a monolith. The links provided in that thread are informative, but it's hard to engage with the topic because it sits atop a mountain of developed discourse covering a lot of areas: schisms in Puerto Rican identity, saviorism, colonialism, class issues. I think the thing I was most able to wrap my mind around comes at the end of this article: https://www.80grados.net/miranda-an-american-tragedy/

There exist multiple Puerto Ricos within Puerto Rico—stratified and segmented by class, race, region, gender and sexuality, age, immigration-background, religion, political and ideological affiliations, the list goes on. Luis Miranda, Lin-Manuel Miranda’s father, explained that his son’s initiative “was not only to experience Hamilton in its artistic value, but also to leave Puerto Rico a little better than we found it.[28]”

Whose or what Puerto Rico did they “leave a little better”?

some art students got displaced

i never had any interest in this whatsoever but finally heard some songs and bg on a podcast yesterday and frankly it was upsetting as fuck. this is a musical about the founding fathers where the topic of slavery is given little attention and Sally Hemmings (Jefferon's slave who irl was basically raped for 40 years resulting in 6 Jefferson-Hemmings children) is featured in a non-speaking role doing a little sexy-funny dance solo? for fucking real?

Still trying to understand what the hell is being referenced here with Sally Hemmings. Just the most baffling thing.

my problem I had with the thread was that there was a lot of bad faith engagement with teh topic ("lol u say don't support Lin BUT U OWN AN I-PHONE OMG HYPOCRITE"), so that when someone actually tried to have a real discussion on it, it usually got shut down with "omg did you READ the articles", as if someone couldn't fathom that there are people out there that have read the same articles as you and drew separate conclusions.

someone else hilariously referred someone to watch teh musical 1776 instead, as if that musical doesn't even further whitewash/sanitize our Founding Fathers (much worse in that regard actually). and the OP also posts pro-Lenin things frequently which is a little o_O, but that's no diff than my pro-Che Guevara phase in my early 20s I guess.

the Hemmings bit is people being unable to comprehend that the musical they wanted about our Founding Fathers would be 10 hours long and narrated by Ken Burns

like it's fair to call out sanitization of the time period, but the musical never promised to be edutainment. it's about as accurate as The Greatest Showman, which doesn't get anywhere near the same flack (well, no slaves, but PT Barnum was a bit of a prick).

anyway feel free to add other thoughts, I can't join the thread on twitter as my burner account is now banned

I'm just trying to figure out if I completely spaced out on a "sexy-funny" Sally Hemmings dance both when I saw it live and when I watched it this weekend.

the only thing I remember is DD singing "Sally be a dear and hand me the letter" and a woman (dancing, as is everyone else in the scene) giving him a letter.

1776 had some catchy tunes.

It does. I wanna be in it

it's about as accurate as The Greatest Showman, which doesn't get anywhere near the same flack (well, no slaves, but PT Barnum was a bit of a prick).

1. Disagree; greatest showman took way more liberties

2. No there were no slaves in TGS but there should have been one - "He began his career as a showman in 1835 when he was 25 with the purchase and exhibition of a blind and almost completely paralyzed slave woman named Joice Heth, whom an acquaintance was trumpeting around Philadelphia as George Washington's former nurse and 161 years old. Slavery was already outlawed in New York, but he exploited a loophole which allowed him to lease her for a year for $1,000, borrowing $500 to complete the sale. Heth died in February 1836, at no more than 80 years old. Barnum had worked her for 10 to 12 hours a day, and he hosted a live autopsy of her body in a New York saloon where spectators paid 50 cents to see the dead woman cut up, as he revealed that she was likely half her purported age."

3. So, more than a prick

to be honest I want to cancel TGS more because I HATE THE FUCKING SONGS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do-Hum-Me

Do-Hum-Me was the eighteen-year-old daughter of Nan-Nouce-Push-Ee-Toe, a chief of the Sac and Fox Nation* who traveled east in 1843 from their native lands in Iowa to participate in treaty negotiations with the federal government. The occasion resulted in her meeting and marrying Cow-Hick-Kee, a young warrior, who also participated in the sessions.

The delegation later visited New York City, where the presence of Native Americans was met with great excitement and quickly attracted the attention of showman P. T. Barnum. His American Museum was located in lower Manhattan at the corner of Broadway and Ann Street across from St. Paul’s Chapel. Recognizing the potential for increased ticket sales, Barnum persuaded fifteen members of the delegation, including Do-Hum-Me and Cow-Hick-Kee, to perform daily war dances and wedding ceremonies for museum goers. Tragically, Do-Hum-Me, known to New Yorkers as the “Indian Princess,” died five weeks after her wedding date. Without immunity to the diseases brought to America by immigrant Europeans, she succumbed to the fate that ultimately befell millions of indigenous people. Do-Hum-Me died inside Barnum’s Museum. Barnum was to record that her grieving father and young husband cooked food and ritually placed it on the roof of the museum so that Do-Hum-Me’s spirit would not go hungry as long as her Native American brethren remained at the site.

yeah PT was appalling, woulda been good to stop that film beyond its sonic crime

this soundtrack has been stuck in my head for a week

make it stop

please make it stop

anGELicAAAAAA, eLIIIzaaAAa

(and peggy)

Lol my 5 yo has been playing the soundtrack non-stop and yelling, “LADIES!” And “This kid is insane man!”

this still has a few jams but none of them involve rapping

I am listening to this whole thing again and damn, this is a work of art

I love the hip hop references, like the Mobb Deep "I'm only 19 but my mind is older" line

How much money do I have to pay Renee Elise Goldsberry, Phillipa Soo, and Jasmine Cephus-Jones to sing "LOOK AROUND, LOOK AROUND" for me for about 45 minutes?

LMM totally missed the opportunity to have Burr say to Hamilton, "Damn Homie, back in the cabinet you was the man homie. What happened to you?"

Okay I know this is probably played out by now but it's screamingly funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZzDP-vQXao

I have not made it past "The Schuyler Sisters"

Animal as King George is inspired

The entire casting is incredible

Camilla as Angelica is the funniest fucking thing I've encountered this year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gGwhSE0nvo

My kid just got into Hamilton, as kids will apparently do (it's my first exposure to it). "Helpless" is a jam, I'll say that!

:D yay!

Easy to make fun of him, but dude is so talented. Hamilton is ace, songs from Moana are strong, and clearly the great songs from Encanto are connecting as pop music in a way since no Disney stuff since ... the '90s?

Don’t forget Vivo, which my daughter has watched / listened to the soundtrack 1,000 times

I'm not sure I've seen it, but now that I think of it I think I've heard one of my kids singing one of the songs. "Turn Up the Tempo?" Is that one of them?

My kids are super into Encanto at present; we just had a boisterous breakfast singalong of "Surface Pressure"

absolutely hate the encanto songs, this guy is such a fucking dweeb, the one the swole sister sings makes me writhe with secondhand dork agony.

I think his dweebiness is a positive attribute.

and clearly the great songs from Encanto are connecting as pop music in a way since no Disney stuff since ... the '90s?

Hmmm maybe we have differing definitions of Pop but "Let It Go" was massive no?

the swole sister song is good not bad SITO

According to the wiki, "Let It Go" (for sure cultural touchstone) was indeed a hit, "the first song from a Disney animated musical to reach the top ten of the Billboard Hot 100 since 1995." "Encanto" soundtrack hit number one yesterday, but I guess the "Frozen II" soundtrack did, too, in 2019. Interesting stat stuff here:

https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-beat/encanto-soundtrack-number-one-billboard-200-chart-1235016951/

Including:

Encanto is just the sixth animated film soundtrack to hit No. 1 since the Billboard 200 began regularly publishing on a weekly basis in 1956. Encanto follows Frozen II (one week at No. 1, 2019), Frozen (13 weeks, 2014), Jack Johnson’s Curious George (one, 2006), Pocahontas (one, 1995) and The Lion King (10, 1994-95). (All but Curious George are Disney films.)

But I guess “We Don’t Talk About Bruno” also just topped the top 200 and Spotify.

Interestingly, "Dos Oruguitas,” the Spanish-language song from "Encanto," was reportedly the one submitted to the Oscars. If "Encanto" stays strong, I wonder if that will finally get him his EGOT. I mean, "Dos Oruguitas" is really pretty for sure. I just learned that there have been two previous non-English songs to win Best Original Song (and four previous non-English nominations).

Should say I don't usually care about this chart and awards stuff, but I like Lin Manuel.