ulysses - yes, I was thinking about Money Machine (which I still don't really get, and is certainly not generic) and perhaps Old Town Road kind of applies too (though it isn't that cheesy, certainly isn't hardcore, and is very far from generic), but these are big name things with their own dedicated threads, they are critical darlings which are not representative of anything else.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:35 (four years ago) link
you quite literally asked for an example. I would never make specific accusations of tokenism/for show picks against individuals. Then you wanna cry boohooo when I throw your list at you as an example. Gimme a fucking break.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:45 (four years ago) link
I would never make specific accusations of tokenism/for show picks against individuals.
lol an example of a 'calculated "for show" selection' that just so happens to be drawn from my own noms? Dude, give it a rest.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:47 (four years ago) link
Yeah, that was an F to the P.
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:52 (four years ago) link
everyone should stop posting in this thread and listen to 'care for me' instead
― voodoo chili, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:54 (four years ago) link
otm
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:55 (four years ago) link
Sounds fair. I want to be able to rep for a hip-hop record after all.
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:58 (four years ago) link
J/k, I'm listening to Horse Lords. A real 10/10.
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 21:00 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkUxFB6jbDc
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 21:03 (four years ago) link
Sund4r, is it true you voted for 'Mask Off' and 'T-Shirt' in the 2017 tracks poll? Seems suspicious to me.
(I really need to check out that Horse Lords album.)
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 21:04 (four years ago) link
Saba is great and all, but I'll usually end up listening to idk, let's say Danny Brown instead, forgive me.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 21:10 (four years ago) link
Haha wow. I was this infamous event, I'll have you know!: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/200-treated-onsite-thursday-ottawa-bluesfest-1.4204873
My wife and I would often burst into "percocet, molly, percocet" at random moments that summer as well.xp
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 21:12 (four years ago) link
Haha, that's awesome. I'm afraid the only Bluesfest I've been to was in Tremblant some 20-odd years ago with my dad. It was nowhere near as exciting, alas.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 21:15 (four years ago) link
forgive me.
no
― voodoo chili, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 22:28 (four years ago) link
The ILX EOY list has also changed from "let's tabulate what people liked this year, half of which are particular to things we fixated on as a group over the year" to "let's curate a diverse list of genres so we can do a happy internet dance about how broad our tastes are"
This is just so weird to me. If so, when did it change into the latter? I haven't seen a happy internet dance about the broadness of taste on the ilx eoy polls. If there was dancing, it was because people liked that their fave came on top (🎈) which seems entirely justified. ILM is a bunch of randos merely connected by the fact they visit the same place sending in their ballot. Every individual has their own reasons and reasoning making a ballot (as frogbs explained). If that constitutes a concerted act of curation I certainly did not get the memo.
Granny Dainger I applaud you for never wanting to make specific accusations of tokenism against individuals, it's just a shame you did just that. Smdh.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 4 June 2020 08:32 (three years ago) link
personally I def curate my list to make it at least a little more balanced in terms o genre than my actual listening, which is maybe dishonest but 1. is still a pretty accurate picture of the breadth of what I listen to and 2. seems more likely to generate more interesting results. what's the point in listing 10 metal albums I loved a lot when there's a dedicated metal poll f'rinstance?
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 June 2020 08:39 (three years ago) link
you can call it self fulfilling prophecy if you like but at this point I know what ILM is into as a whole, what can be made to fit in with what captures imaginations on here, and what can't or is very unlikely to
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 June 2020 08:41 (three years ago) link
Oh I curate my own ballot, of course. Mostly the 'dishonesty' amounts to putting some ambient/drone records (underdogs here) a bit higher, to see them get some points or whatever. I just don't see it as a collective curating effort to create a diverse list; with all these individuals sending in a ballot based on their own particular reasoning, curating that seems nigh impossible.
Knowing what ILM is and what fits, that's another matter, and obv I agree. Even though loads of eyes were popping out of sockets when 'Jogging' and Gecs showed up as high as they did.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 4 June 2020 08:56 (three years ago) link
"Jogging" was a lock to me cause UK and lots of cachet with the avant cru
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 June 2020 09:00 (three years ago) link
Think I curate in the opposite direction, if I know something has no chance of getting any other votes, I'll be a bit wary of putting it in my balot.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 4 June 2020 09:05 (three years ago) link
No I think the same way! Hence I tend to underrepresent rock music generally (at least in album ballots)
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 June 2020 09:14 (three years ago) link
my ballots are pure
― trapped out the barndo (crüt), Thursday, 4 June 2020 12:51 (three years ago) link
The Pains of Being Pure at Ballot
― pomenitul, Thursday, 4 June 2020 12:53 (three years ago) link
I am happier since I abandoned any efforts to curate or cram-listen for polls. I also had the second-loneliest ballot.
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Thursday, 4 June 2020 12:54 (three years ago) link
Ha, I have enough problems making a full ballot in the general ILM poll to curate anything. If it's from last year and I heard it, it's on my ballot.
― Siegbran, Thursday, 4 June 2020 13:29 (three years ago) link
complaints abt other ppl pretending to like stuff for cred reek of insecurity, & the notion of real/fake taste is a curious bit of authentocracy
― The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Thursday, 4 June 2020 15:50 (three years ago) link
The NY Times climbs aboard the Fantano bandwagon.
Another college student and musician, Ethan Fields, 20, has used his time at home during the pandemic to build a TikTok fan base, savvily interpreting popular songs in the style of other musicians. Fantano, Fields said, was an early influence on his knowing and silly insidery content.“I don’t think there’s anyone else like him, who’s had that reach,” Fields said. “If you told somebody on the street, ‘Name a music critic right now,’ if they’re under the age of 25, they’ll say, ‘Anthony Fantano.’” (Asked if he could even name another music critic, Fields had to take a moment. “Ummmm, let’s see … honestly … I’m trying to think. There’s a guy from Rolling Stone who loves U2?” he said. “David Fricke?”)The old guard has not exactly embraced Fantano. Robert Christgau, a rock critic for more than half a century, has called Fantano’s career an “achievement,” but sniffed, “I don’t ‘watch’ reviews. I read writing.” In an email, Christgau added, “I literally never think about Anthony Fantano and would probably have trouble recalling his name. This isn’t a dis — I don’t know his work well enough to dis it.”...Having spent a lot of time on the vulgar message board 4chan, Fantano infused his internet presence with winks, contrarian irreverence and attempts at humor, like a recurring “roommate” character that is just Fantano in a fake mustache. He became a favorite of the 4chan music forum known as /mu/, but Fantano’s flirtation with that world also led to controversy when he was accused in a 2017 article in The Fader of courting the alt-right with a spinoff channel that reviewed memes instead of music. The article was later deleted amid a settlement, and both sides are bound by a nondisclosure agreement.Fantano said he started that channel to make more money from YouTube, and acknowledged that there were some “grubby, close-minded, young, aggressive male types hovering around the content.” (The Needle Drop’s audience on YouTube is only 6.5 percent female.) He said 4chan was “toxic and problematic,” yet also “where most internet humor draws back to — all of us are guilty of that original sin, in a way.”In the years since, he has become more vocal on social justice issues, adding, “My politics have become, as a result of reading things online, more intersectional.”
“I don’t think there’s anyone else like him, who’s had that reach,” Fields said. “If you told somebody on the street, ‘Name a music critic right now,’ if they’re under the age of 25, they’ll say, ‘Anthony Fantano.’” (Asked if he could even name another music critic, Fields had to take a moment. “Ummmm, let’s see … honestly … I’m trying to think. There’s a guy from Rolling Stone who loves U2?” he said. “David Fricke?”)
The old guard has not exactly embraced Fantano. Robert Christgau, a rock critic for more than half a century, has called Fantano’s career an “achievement,” but sniffed, “I don’t ‘watch’ reviews. I read writing.” In an email, Christgau added, “I literally never think about Anthony Fantano and would probably have trouble recalling his name. This isn’t a dis — I don’t know his work well enough to dis it.”
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Having spent a lot of time on the vulgar message board 4chan, Fantano infused his internet presence with winks, contrarian irreverence and attempts at humor, like a recurring “roommate” character that is just Fantano in a fake mustache. He became a favorite of the 4chan music forum known as /mu/, but Fantano’s flirtation with that world also led to controversy when he was accused in a 2017 article in The Fader of courting the alt-right with a spinoff channel that reviewed memes instead of music. The article was later deleted amid a settlement, and both sides are bound by a nondisclosure agreement.
Fantano said he started that channel to make more money from YouTube, and acknowledged that there were some “grubby, close-minded, young, aggressive male types hovering around the content.” (The Needle Drop’s audience on YouTube is only 6.5 percent female.) He said 4chan was “toxic and problematic,” yet also “where most internet humor draws back to — all of us are guilty of that original sin, in a way.”
In the years since, he has become more vocal on social justice issues, adding, “My politics have become, as a result of reading things online, more intersectional.”
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 15:05 (three years ago) link
lmao at choosing to ask robert christgau about anthony fantano, powerful journalism
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 15:08 (three years ago) link
solid use of "sniffed"
― the typo doer (Simon H.), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 15:28 (three years ago) link
The old guard has not exactly embraced Fantano. Robert Christgau, a rock critic for more than half a century, has called Fantano’s career an “achievement,” but sniffed, “I don’t ‘watch’ reviews. I read writing.”
What is Writism?
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 15:31 (three years ago) link
He said 4chan was “toxic and problematic,” yet also “where most internet humor draws back to — all of us are guilty of that original sin, in a way.”
lol, this guy is so awful.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 18:02 (three years ago) link
Robin Pecknold asks Fantano a few questions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05BEJCR-jaI&t
― alpine static, Wednesday, 7 October 2020 05:37 (three years ago) link
gen z are terrible
― flopson, Wednesday, 7 October 2020 05:43 (three years ago) link
spider-man: into the fantano-verse: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/tiktok-music-journalism-1103594/
― la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Thursday, 17 December 2020 00:46 (three years ago) link
lol, I was not expecting this:
https://thequietus.com/articles/29417-anthony-fantano-interview-favourite-music
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 14:33 (three years ago) link
fuck this
― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:23 (three years ago) link
http://s3.amazonaws.com/quietus_production/images/articles/29417/AnthonyFantano__1610474624_crop_550x735.png
He's got the LCD Soundsystem stan look down pat.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:25 (three years ago) link
what is this 2003
why do kids love this prick
― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:26 (three years ago) link
interviewing someone with bad taste, curious
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:28 (three years ago) link
good for the Quietus, should get them a healthy amount of hits
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:32 (three years ago) link
I think it's a reasonably good selection of albums and a reasonably good commentary on them?
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:33 (three years ago) link
The real dean of rock critics
― Fenners' Pen (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:36 (three years ago) link
oh damn sorry fantano's good now
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:44 (three years ago) link
he does not have the taste of someone unfrozen in 2010 i'll hold off clowning him
i also def didn't read the commentary bc i don't believe he's capable of insight, just a character flaw of mine
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:45 (three years ago) link
anyway i'd prefer the baker's dozen feature be reserved to musicians and not given to very bad critics who hate women ymmv
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:47 (three years ago) link
hate women
I missed this part. What did he do?
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:49 (three years ago) link
listen i'm just making a judgment based on having observed his criticism over a period of ten years, he hasn't "done" anything
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:50 (three years ago) link
anyway whatever, good for the quietus, totally meaningless thing to get worked up over