Music Criticism in Video Form

not convinced he has a significant alt-right fanbase at all, he's spoken out against them pretty consistently for the last several years

i seriously know NOTHING about Fantano's story but for anybody with a significant fanbase that is alt-right

Not baiting anyone itt!

yeah, sorry; that's bad faith. I mean "taking bait" as in "typing angry while on the internet"

I’ve said this many times before but it is absolutely baffling to me that any adult would want to watch 12 minute video of some soyfaced dude talking at them about anything, let alone a King Gizzard and the Lizzard Wizard album.

imago, did you ever think that your constant need to have your taste validated by the faux-quantitative numbers rankings of RYM, Metacritic, Fantano, Scraruffi and all the other stuff that like only *you* post about on here might be an unhealthy way of thinking about music in general, which is partially why it’s the purview of /mu/ weirdos?

not to mention the ILX EOYs!

you're not equating aspie with unhealthy now are you WGW ;)

obviously music shouldn't have a fixed score or placement, but we do it anyway. why? because it helps us understand our tastes, organise further exploration, and feel validated when the good shit gets recognised

thread to dis hyped modes of quantifying music that you don't get/don't like/wanna complain about

not to mention the ILX EOYs!

you're not equating aspie with unhealthy now are you WGW ;)

― imago, Wednesday, June 3, 2020 2:09 PM (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I've said before that I would love some non-ableist way to express what the internet terms "aspie" with whatever this and TV Tropes is. And, yeah, I love scores and lists, but there's a point where you have to consider the source

The ILX EOY list has also changed from "let's tabulate what people liked this year, half of which are particular to things we fixated on as a group over the year" to "let's curate a diverse list of genres so we can do a happy internet dance about how broad our tastes are", which makes what was already a giant well-meaning jack-off sesh into a smug, self-satisfied jack-off sesh with a wholly unearned sense of superiority, so even though I still participate in it I don't really have a problem with it being lumped in with things Whiney listed.

I was the one who lumped it in!

The diversity of the EOYs is a good thing imo - I know there are plenty of genres it still completely overlooks

Just so I can indulge in my self-satisfied, wholly unearned sense of superiority for a second, it still reads like 'things we fixated on as a group over the year' to me, especially once you hit the top 40. Diversity is an afterthought, for the most part.

Obviously I don't think it should be diverse by design, but it does tend to work out that way now, which is good. I still believe most individual ballots are pretty sincerely everyone's top 25 of the year (minus artist repeats) and not artificially 'diversified'

It is true that the voting populace will get obsessed with some boring shit like Purple Mountains and splatter that all over the top 10 while congratulating itself for coordinating on the promotion thread to get one afropop song in the mid-50s

"let's curate a diverse list of genres so we can do a happy internet dance about how broad our tastes are"

^^^ truth.

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forks otm

was just about to say, how is it smug ? it's just for fun.

no need to put it down in such forceful terms.

this year's tracks poll top 10 was my favourite top 10 of any EOY poll ever lol

it also had 2x more Afropop (including Afrorap) songs than Purple Mountain songs in it

most "general" music crit sites/mags do the same tokenism shit too

I’m basically just ready to fight anyone who shits on that Purple Mountain record. Bad target imo.

imo the ILX list is one of the least tokenistic as it's the result of literally 100 people's opinions, aggregated - people who can have been expected to have listened to a lot of music and voted in good faith. it is the only EOY i truly care about!

Fantano's review style enforces stereotypes and expectations that he as a white dude has on the race gender sexuality etc. of the creators of the content he's reviewing, and it sucks to behold

I also resent the way the way he puts so much weight on the rating of music instead of actually interacting with it in a meaningful way, as I often do with people who use ratings to create canon rather than act as a facilitator and/or meaningful commentator

He gets a hard zero from me

"result of literally 100 people's opinions" doesn't preclude ppl from making calculated "for show" selections. (fwiw I think ILM EOY list is fine, no worse than bunch of other EOY lists, prob more interesting than most)

calculated "for show" selections

Can someone cite an example of this?

you want someone to delve into the minds of those who made EOY lists?

My point exactly.

great point

Thx.

ok here's one:

A-Sun Amissa - Ceremony in the Stillness
Anna von Hausswolff - Dead Magic
Anne Garner - Lost Play
Autechre - NTS Sessions 1-4
Daniel Bachman - The Morning Star
Emma Ruth Rundle - On Dark Horses
Feu ! Chatterton - L'Oiseleur
Grouper - Grid of Points
Mitski - Be the Cowboy
The Necks - Body
Rival Consoles - Persona
Saba - Care for Me
Sarah Davachi - Let Night Come On Bells End the Day
Tim Hecker - Konoyo
Xylouris White - Mother

lol I repped for that album a fair amount before the EOY poll so try again.

wtf xp

wait that's your list pom ?

Yep.

I like the EOY tracks list, it is an essential source for me to find music, however something really does need to be done about the sticking of half an LP on there, I know it can be for perfectly nice reasons, but the stuff it knocked into the 87 last year was unforgivable.

didn't think i'd be cracking out the ol' fp today

no you're right, dude. that thing never happens. no on ILM, not in rolling stone, never. I was wrong to suggest it does.

as one of the guys who runs the ilm poll and somebody who spent at least three years doing painful, ridiculously granular exploration of what everyone on this site was listening to, feel free to delve.

Per the charge of "tokenism," i would argue that (wherever it notably strays from broader critical consensus), the ILX list mostly consistently reflects the depth of engagement/ quality of insight / accessibility to new listeners / expertise of people who frequent the hub threads for genres and specific releases. On years when there's a lot of interesting discourse in the hip hop or bobbins or kpop or afro or etc threads, the music discussed there is always well represented. When there's not, it isn't.

When offbeat or unlikely songs place high, it's not about "aren't we well heeled individuals baa," it's a celebration of both the artists and the site where we encountered the songs that we loved. I mean, fuck, everything is horrendous and terrible but ILX is in sum better than much of the web right now, which i hope y'all would agree with or else you should be doing something else.

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i just had an incredible sense of deja vu hang on

The ILX EOY list has also changed from "let's tabulate what people liked this year, half of which are particular to things we fixated on as a group over the year" to "let's curate a diverse list of genres so we can do a happy internet dance about how broad our tastes are"

The EOY list used to be an exercise if collating a uniquely varied menagerie of grotesque ditties with shards of glass in interesting if unpleasant places. Then it changes to the same thing but the council had removed some of the shards of glass.

For starters those were my *noms* and I'd talked up the Saba in several threads prior. I also timidly participate in various hip-hop threads and try to keep up with at least a modicum of yearly releases in the genre because I've always been a fan even though I lack the deep knowledge that some of you might have. So what's your point, GD?

i continue to wish saer would vote 40 times in the poll or at least post an essay long synesthetic take on each track but, as i am not responsible for his page rate, i live in hope

that those type of picks happen everywhere, and it's laughable to pretend otherwise

So is Fantano a thing for people who toss around the term "aspie" (at best a tawdry wee contraction of an outdated term, at worst a hateful slur)? Cus most people with an actual ASD diagnosis would know that is not acceptable

You're essentially gatekeeping me out of hip-hop fandom because I'm not as immersed in it as others and suggesting that it's pure tokenism on my part, which is a pretty fucking shitty thing to do.

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So is Fantano a thing for people who toss around the term "aspie" (at best a tawdry wee contraction of an outdated term, at worst a hateful slur)? Cus most people with an actual ASD diagnosis would know that is not acceptable

― Jonathan Hellion Mumble, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:19 (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

we all have our own way of dealing with being neuroatypical idk. if using the term makes you uncomfortable i won't. sorry.

Immersion is for people who remember the names of records

I'm essentially giving you shit because you made the absurd request to produce examples

GD, you are making some good points overall, but I have to agree that that's not really on.