like good for him
i remember his participation in alt-right memes very clearly. it wasn't that long ago. but good for him
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 15:52 (four years ago) link
if some idiot gave the idiot thumbs up to something i happen to like it wouldn't make them a force for good
― hip posts without flaggadocio (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 15:52 (four years ago) link
i also don't think we should be necessarily going out of our way to applaud white guys for being decent allies right now, seems to be beside the point
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 16:17 (four years ago) link
half this thread feels like people applauding a t-shirt with a picture of Pepe the Frog saying "Black Lives Matter" on it
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 16:34 (four years ago) link
What would be the most helpful and diplomatic way for him to make amends and express solidarity? Genuinely curious.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 17:42 (four years ago) link
could have given Fiona Apple a 10
― frogbs, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 17:43 (four years ago) link
i seriously know NOTHING about Fantano's story but for anybody with a significant fanbase that is alt-right, step one would be to disavow openly on your media channel, then go off the air entirely and rebrand fresh and with clear motivation in a different way so that you do not continue to profit from bad faith members. until you do that, i have no idea why anyone would take a conversion seriously.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 17:46 (four years ago) link
could have given Fiona Apple a 1 xp
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 17:47 (four years ago) link
in other words: take account for your actions and stop profiting off ugly shit that got you what you have is STEP ONE.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 17:47 (four years ago) link
anybody with a significant fanbase that is alt-right
Is this true? I know a few peeps who keep up with Fantano and who are anything but alt-right (anecdotal evidence, I know, I know).
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 17:48 (four years ago) link
(Feels like Rogan redux a bit.)
not convinced he has a significant alt-right fanbase at all, he's spoken out against them pretty consistently for the last several years
― frogbs, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 17:49 (four years ago) link
i seriously know NOTHING about Fantano's story but for anybody with a significant fanbase that is alt-right
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 17:50 (four years ago) link
Not baiting anyone itt!
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 17:51 (four years ago) link
yeah, sorry; that's bad faith. I mean "taking bait" as in "typing angry while on the internet"
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 17:53 (four years ago) link
I’ve said this many times before but it is absolutely baffling to me that any adult would want to watch 12 minute video of some soyfaced dude talking at them about anything, let alone a King Gizzard and the Lizzard Wizard album.
imago, did you ever think that your constant need to have your taste validated by the faux-quantitative numbers rankings of RYM, Metacritic, Fantano, Scraruffi and all the other stuff that like only *you* post about on here might be an unhealthy way of thinking about music in general, which is partially why it’s the purview of /mu/ weirdos?
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 18:01 (four years ago) link
not to mention the ILX EOYs!
you're not equating aspie with unhealthy now are you WGW ;)
― imago, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 18:09 (four years ago) link
obviously music shouldn't have a fixed score or placement, but we do it anyway. why? because it helps us understand our tastes, organise further exploration, and feel validated when the good shit gets recognised
― imago, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 18:11 (four years ago) link
thread to dis hyped modes of quantifying music that you don't get/don't like/wanna complain about
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 18:20 (four years ago) link
not to mention the ILX EOYs!you're not equating aspie with unhealthy now are you WGW ;)― imago, Wednesday, June 3, 2020 2:09 PM (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― imago, Wednesday, June 3, 2020 2:09 PM (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I've said before that I would love some non-ableist way to express what the internet terms "aspie" with whatever this and TV Tropes is. And, yeah, I love scores and lists, but there's a point where you have to consider the source
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 18:35 (four years ago) link
The ILX EOY list has also changed from "let's tabulate what people liked this year, half of which are particular to things we fixated on as a group over the year" to "let's curate a diverse list of genres so we can do a happy internet dance about how broad our tastes are", which makes what was already a giant well-meaning jack-off sesh into a smug, self-satisfied jack-off sesh with a wholly unearned sense of superiority, so even though I still participate in it I don't really have a problem with it being lumped in with things Whiney listed.
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:30 (four years ago) link
I was the one who lumped it in!
The diversity of the EOYs is a good thing imo - I know there are plenty of genres it still completely overlooks
― imago, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:33 (four years ago) link
Just so I can indulge in my self-satisfied, wholly unearned sense of superiority for a second, it still reads like 'things we fixated on as a group over the year' to me, especially once you hit the top 40. Diversity is an afterthought, for the most part.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:34 (four years ago) link
Obviously I don't think it should be diverse by design, but it does tend to work out that way now, which is good. I still believe most individual ballots are pretty sincerely everyone's top 25 of the year (minus artist repeats) and not artificially 'diversified'
― imago, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:34 (four years ago) link
It is true that the voting populace will get obsessed with some boring shit like Purple Mountains and splatter that all over the top 10 while congratulating itself for coordinating on the promotion thread to get one afropop song in the mid-50s
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:37 (four years ago) link
"let's curate a diverse list of genres so we can do a happy internet dance about how broad our tastes are"
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:37 (four years ago) link
^^^ truth.
xp
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:38 (four years ago) link
forks otm
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:43 (four years ago) link
was just about to say, how is it smug ? it's just for fun.
no need to put it down in such forceful terms.
this year's tracks poll top 10 was my favourite top 10 of any EOY poll ever lol
― imago, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:45 (four years ago) link
it also had 2x more Afropop (including Afrorap) songs than Purple Mountain songs in it
― imago, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:50 (four years ago) link
most "general" music crit sites/mags do the same tokenism shit too
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:50 (four years ago) link
I’m basically just ready to fight anyone who shits on that Purple Mountain record. Bad target imo.
― circa1916, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:51 (four years ago) link
imo the ILX list is one of the least tokenistic as it's the result of literally 100 people's opinions, aggregated - people who can have been expected to have listened to a lot of music and voted in good faith. it is the only EOY i truly care about!
― imago, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:51 (four years ago) link
Fantano's review style enforces stereotypes and expectations that he as a white dude has on the race gender sexuality etc. of the creators of the content he's reviewing, and it sucks to behold
I also resent the way the way he puts so much weight on the rating of music instead of actually interacting with it in a meaningful way, as I often do with people who use ratings to create canon rather than act as a facilitator and/or meaningful commentator
He gets a hard zero from me
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:55 (four years ago) link
"result of literally 100 people's opinions" doesn't preclude ppl from making calculated "for show" selections. (fwiw I think ILM EOY list is fine, no worse than bunch of other EOY lists, prob more interesting than most)
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:57 (four years ago) link
calculated "for show" selections
Can someone cite an example of this?
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:58 (four years ago) link
you want someone to delve into the minds of those who made EOY lists?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:01 (four years ago) link
My point exactly.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:02 (four years ago) link
great point
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:03 (four years ago) link
Thx.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:04 (four years ago) link
ok here's one:
A-Sun Amissa - Ceremony in the StillnessAnna von Hausswolff - Dead MagicAnne Garner - Lost PlayAutechre - NTS Sessions 1-4Daniel Bachman - The Morning StarEmma Ruth Rundle - On Dark HorsesFeu ! Chatterton - L'OiseleurGrouper - Grid of PointsMitski - Be the CowboyThe Necks - BodyRival Consoles - PersonaSaba - Care for MeSarah Davachi - Let Night Come On Bells End the DayTim Hecker - KonoyoXylouris White - Mother
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:07 (four years ago) link
lol I repped for that album a fair amount before the EOY poll so try again.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:08 (four years ago) link
wtf xp
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:09 (four years ago) link
wait that's your list pom ?
Yep.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:10 (four years ago) link
I like the EOY tracks list, it is an essential source for me to find music, however something really does need to be done about the sticking of half an LP on there, I know it can be for perfectly nice reasons, but the stuff it knocked into the 87 last year was unforgivable.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:10 (four years ago) link
didn't think i'd be cracking out the ol' fp today
― imago, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:11 (four years ago) link
no you're right, dude. that thing never happens. no on ILM, not in rolling stone, never. I was wrong to suggest it does.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:12 (four years ago) link
as one of the guys who runs the ilm poll and somebody who spent at least three years doing painful, ridiculously granular exploration of what everyone on this site was listening to, feel free to delve.
Per the charge of "tokenism," i would argue that (wherever it notably strays from broader critical consensus), the ILX list mostly consistently reflects the depth of engagement/ quality of insight / accessibility to new listeners / expertise of people who frequent the hub threads for genres and specific releases. On years when there's a lot of interesting discourse in the hip hop or bobbins or kpop or afro or etc threads, the music discussed there is always well represented. When there's not, it isn't.
When offbeat or unlikely songs place high, it's not about "aren't we well heeled individuals baa," it's a celebration of both the artists and the site where we encountered the songs that we loved. I mean, fuck, everything is horrendous and terrible but ILX is in sum better than much of the web right now, which i hope y'all would agree with or else you should be doing something else.
🎈
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:12 (four years ago) link