the tone of his entire feed seems a p conclusive walkback from that. idk if there was an apology. people can change? idk
― imago, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 10:41 (four years ago) link
yeah, that's not nearly enough.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 10:43 (four years ago) link
i wish he was dead
― 1312 (Left), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 10:46 (four years ago) link
He doesn't exist in my world, but if he's come around, that's a start. Hard to be enthusiastic about an internet nerd who built his empire on alt-right ppl changing his tune, but surely it's better that this is his response instead of amplifying the other side (which a couple of years ago he probably would).
People can change. No it's not enough. But I do not wish he was dead I suppose.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 10:54 (four years ago) link
change and improvement are always to be celebrated, and consistent new behaviour means more than apologies
― massage angry pixels (sic), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 11:02 (four years ago) link
fuck this particular clown-ass doofus obv, going from "alt-right burner account" to "performative wokeness" casts doubt on his sincerity, but y'know, general principles
― massage angry pixels (sic), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 11:04 (four years ago) link
consistent good new behaviour is fine, but unless he addresses the stuff he made before, we should all be deeply suspicious of his motives. the fact that he has not already apologised and explained his behaviour aside from what amounts to "it was just shitposting, u mad bro?" is very telling about the level of privilege he has been given.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 11:10 (four years ago) link
look, among all the woke stuff, he liked this tweet just yesterday
Ezra Marcus wrote an expansive reported story on cult leader Larry Ray for NY Mag. His resume includes a sloppily reported story about @theneedledrop for the Fader filled w/ weird extrapolations/inferences w/o any basis. It got scrubbed from the publication because Anthony sued. pic.twitter.com/SVPtYjKHKI— safy (@SafyHallanFarah) June 2, 2020
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 11:12 (four years ago) link
maybe we should ignore him and just listen to the new music he's been boosting. never too early in the morning for horrorcore, especially when it captures the moment so precisely
― imago, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 11:14 (four years ago) link
tbf my continued policy of ignoring this wasteman is unchanged by any political pose he might assume for money
― hip posts without flaggadocio (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 12:00 (four years ago) link
^^^
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 12:51 (four years ago) link
I find Fanta o abhorrent to watch but good on him if he's improving as a person, most "personalities" don't
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 14:47 (four years ago) link
good on anybody and everybody for working to improve as people but what little i've seen of this guy's criticism suggests it's bloviated garbage so i care about him around as much as i would any youtube "celebrity" which is to say not much
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 14:51 (four years ago) link
yeah I want to stress I don't watch his videos but the artists he boosts often seem really grateful to him and that's nice. it shouldn't have to be this way - very 'patron of the arts' - but he gives props to people who need them and he has been extremely emphatic and unambiguous on the issue of the current riots (and has constantly retweeted those with the most important voices)
this isn't to say that I wuvs melon - his videos are v not my thing and I find his centrality to the rym discourse almost as irksome's as pitchfork's is or was here - but it feels nice to say that someone with as large an audience as him is speaking up for the oppressed
― imago, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 14:56 (four years ago) link
Fuck a Fanta, but ILX's thinly-veiled Calvinism never ceases to amaze me.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 14:57 (four years ago) link
It's entirely possible he's just canny enough to know that there's just no real place for RW views in american music criticism, but even then it's a good sign
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 14:59 (four years ago) link
Is it a good sign? That white guys can get away with being involved in the alt-right and cynically move on and pretend it never happened, but a black woman does the same to a much lesser extent and she's roundly cancelled?
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 15:09 (four years ago) link
i have not cancelled doja cat, even if i do not like her music, and you'd be a fool to cancel her over this (i generally dislike 'cancelling' anyway unless they're an unambiguous shithead punching down)
― imago, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 15:11 (four years ago) link
If every day isn't a struggle session for you, you're doing it wrong.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 15:13 (four years ago) link
xp not blaming you or anyone on here for that matter, just that this is what makes me sick about fantano.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 15:13 (four years ago) link
both in terms of the artists he (and of major publications, only he) is boosting
he still fundamentally sucks at explaining why music is good so i'm not sure why i should care?
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 15:50 (four years ago) link
lol c'mon Doja isn't 'roundly cancelled' in any meaningful sense of the word, she literally has a Billboard Top 5 hit this week
don't really wanna defend Fantano here cuz I don't care about him much but I'll say this at least. our generation is the one raised on Family Guy, Eminem, South Park, and gruesome internet shit, which I think naturally turns people into edgelords, especially if you've lived through the 90's when people were generally optimistic and it was maybe a bit easier to separate the jokes from real life. especially if you're a teenager growing up in a white town where none of that shit feels particularly real to you. humor is wrapped up in that Borat-era concept of "hah, wouldn't it be funny if anyone took this seriously". edgelords find edgelord communities which are generally incredibly accepting while communities that look down on that sort of behavior are generally not. so you have your tribe. and then, hopefully, you grow up and understand how the world really works, spurned on possibly by the nonstop avalanche of terrible shit that's been happening since 9/11, particularly everything from 2016 on where suddenly the racist cosplay stuff is revealed as actual racism with actual consequences, and then hopefully if you aren't a worthless human being you change. I would've liked to see him actually address the shit he did rather than handwave the whole article away because it was riddled with inaccuracies (which, to be fair, it was) but in general I don't see any indication that he's just playacting a 'woke dude' to make a career in a field that basically does not exist.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 15:52 (four years ago) link
like good for him
i remember his participation in alt-right memes very clearly. it wasn't that long ago. but good for him
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 15:52 (four years ago) link
if some idiot gave the idiot thumbs up to something i happen to like it wouldn't make them a force for good
― hip posts without flaggadocio (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 15:52 (four years ago) link
i also don't think we should be necessarily going out of our way to applaud white guys for being decent allies right now, seems to be beside the point
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 16:17 (four years ago) link
half this thread feels like people applauding a t-shirt with a picture of Pepe the Frog saying "Black Lives Matter" on it
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 16:34 (four years ago) link
What would be the most helpful and diplomatic way for him to make amends and express solidarity? Genuinely curious.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 17:42 (four years ago) link
could have given Fiona Apple a 10
― frogbs, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 17:43 (four years ago) link
i seriously know NOTHING about Fantano's story but for anybody with a significant fanbase that is alt-right, step one would be to disavow openly on your media channel, then go off the air entirely and rebrand fresh and with clear motivation in a different way so that you do not continue to profit from bad faith members. until you do that, i have no idea why anyone would take a conversion seriously.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 17:46 (four years ago) link
could have given Fiona Apple a 1 xp
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 17:47 (four years ago) link
in other words: take account for your actions and stop profiting off ugly shit that got you what you have is STEP ONE.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 17:47 (four years ago) link
anybody with a significant fanbase that is alt-right
Is this true? I know a few peeps who keep up with Fantano and who are anything but alt-right (anecdotal evidence, I know, I know).
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 17:48 (four years ago) link
(Feels like Rogan redux a bit.)
not convinced he has a significant alt-right fanbase at all, he's spoken out against them pretty consistently for the last several years
― frogbs, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 17:49 (four years ago) link
i seriously know NOTHING about Fantano's story but for anybody with a significant fanbase that is alt-right
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 17:50 (four years ago) link
Not baiting anyone itt!
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 17:51 (four years ago) link
yeah, sorry; that's bad faith. I mean "taking bait" as in "typing angry while on the internet"
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 17:53 (four years ago) link
I’ve said this many times before but it is absolutely baffling to me that any adult would want to watch 12 minute video of some soyfaced dude talking at them about anything, let alone a King Gizzard and the Lizzard Wizard album.
imago, did you ever think that your constant need to have your taste validated by the faux-quantitative numbers rankings of RYM, Metacritic, Fantano, Scraruffi and all the other stuff that like only *you* post about on here might be an unhealthy way of thinking about music in general, which is partially why it’s the purview of /mu/ weirdos?
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 18:01 (four years ago) link
not to mention the ILX EOYs!
you're not equating aspie with unhealthy now are you WGW ;)
― imago, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 18:09 (four years ago) link
obviously music shouldn't have a fixed score or placement, but we do it anyway. why? because it helps us understand our tastes, organise further exploration, and feel validated when the good shit gets recognised
― imago, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 18:11 (four years ago) link
thread to dis hyped modes of quantifying music that you don't get/don't like/wanna complain about
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 18:20 (four years ago) link
not to mention the ILX EOYs!you're not equating aspie with unhealthy now are you WGW ;)― imago, Wednesday, June 3, 2020 2:09 PM (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― imago, Wednesday, June 3, 2020 2:09 PM (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I've said before that I would love some non-ableist way to express what the internet terms "aspie" with whatever this and TV Tropes is. And, yeah, I love scores and lists, but there's a point where you have to consider the source
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 18:35 (four years ago) link
The ILX EOY list has also changed from "let's tabulate what people liked this year, half of which are particular to things we fixated on as a group over the year" to "let's curate a diverse list of genres so we can do a happy internet dance about how broad our tastes are", which makes what was already a giant well-meaning jack-off sesh into a smug, self-satisfied jack-off sesh with a wholly unearned sense of superiority, so even though I still participate in it I don't really have a problem with it being lumped in with things Whiney listed.
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:30 (four years ago) link
I was the one who lumped it in!
The diversity of the EOYs is a good thing imo - I know there are plenty of genres it still completely overlooks
― imago, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:33 (four years ago) link
Just so I can indulge in my self-satisfied, wholly unearned sense of superiority for a second, it still reads like 'things we fixated on as a group over the year' to me, especially once you hit the top 40. Diversity is an afterthought, for the most part.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:34 (four years ago) link
Obviously I don't think it should be diverse by design, but it does tend to work out that way now, which is good. I still believe most individual ballots are pretty sincerely everyone's top 25 of the year (minus artist repeats) and not artificially 'diversified'
― imago, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:34 (four years ago) link
It is true that the voting populace will get obsessed with some boring shit like Purple Mountains and splatter that all over the top 10 while congratulating itself for coordinating on the promotion thread to get one afropop song in the mid-50s
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:37 (four years ago) link
"let's curate a diverse list of genres so we can do a happy internet dance about how broad our tastes are"
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:37 (four years ago) link
^^^ truth.
xp
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:38 (four years ago) link
forks otm
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:43 (four years ago) link