when I see him out there, in his make-up, getting knocked around and falling in a big tub of water with all the people laughing, I can only think "he must have suffered so to act like that"
― ❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Saturday, 27 June 2009 19:28 (sixteen years ago)
"it's good that it's mixed so low"
yeah but the whole album is mixed that way, on purpose so say the liner notes. it's amazing that it doesn't turn into complete sludge. i haven't heard anything from 2009 that sounds like this, although i might put it into the whole "aquatic" faction of dance music (maybe political non-fiction to drexciya's sci-fi and chain reaction's stalagmitic explorations. maybe.).
― society for cutting up (tricky), Saturday, 27 June 2009 21:57 (sixteen years ago)
fuck, i'm scaring myself now by thinking "what if I'd never come across this album...."
aamazingly, in the same week that i picked this up, also got Round Two - "New Day" , which I'd completely missed out on. Fuuuucccccck! Goosebumps, within 5 seconds.
― Tannenbaum Schmidt, Sunday, 28 June 2009 01:13 (sixteen years ago)
i'll co-sign on this album. easily among my favorite full-length bobbins of 2009, even if it did come out in 08
― psychgawsple, Sunday, 28 June 2009 02:27 (sixteen years ago)
I've read that Terre Thaemlitz made this as a reaction/reflection to the current/a recent deephouse revival. Have I missed this? Without derailing this thread too much, what's been going on that's worth checking (all I seem to hear my way in revival terms was disco and prog/kraut influences for the last 12 months)
― Tannenbaum Schmidt, Sunday, 28 June 2009 03:46 (sixteen years ago)
Oh, the MCDE (Motor City Drum Ensemble) mixes of "Grand Central Part 1 (Deep Into The Bowel of House) are killer also, especially the "Raw mix"
― Tannenbaum Schmidt, Sunday, 28 June 2009 03:48 (sixteen years ago)
Might be worth noting that there's a letter from Terre Thaemlitz in the July issue of Harper's - about Catholic ROTC military academies.
― with hidden noise, Monday, 29 June 2009 13:16 (sixteen years ago)
can you c+p for nonsubscribers?
― elan, Monday, 29 June 2009 18:53 (sixteen years ago)
didn't know i was logged in! here:
Jeff Sharlet’s opening tale of how the U.S. military managed to provoke the household guns of an entire Muslim community with the slogan “Jesus Killed Mohammed” was a choice example of how easily American democratic ideals can be tainted by faith-infused nationalism, resulting in childish vandalism and bizarre pranks. This dynamic extends past the conflict described by Sharlet to another religious community that militarized under cultural pressure: American Catholics.
The spread of Catholic ROTC military prep academies in the United States (which is not paralleled in Europe) goes back to World War I and was the result of Catholic immigrants (particularly Germans and Italians) attempting to prove their loyalty to their new, largely Protestant homeland. My father attended this kind of Catholic academy during World War II, then went on to teach at several such institutions as a Dominican brother until he was dismissed in the 1970s for voicing his opposition to the Vietnam War. As a child, I found it impossible to reconcile the “Thou shall not kill” tenet of his faith with his lifelong immersion in military prep–particularly since he had never expressed any interest in entering the military himself.
During a recent visit home, I found a letter he had received in the early 1940s from the headmaster of his former high school, instructing all Catholic boys to approach the draft board with tremendous enthusiasm for the fight at hand, and with a request for placement within a Catholic academy for military training (as opposed to a training assignment elsewhere). The unintended subtext of this letter was that a Catholic ROTC could protect you from the draft: boys who entered the academy also had the option of becoming clergymen. But requesting to be trained at a Catholic academy did not mean you would necessarily be sent to one. How many boys who followed the letter’s instructions found themselves swept onto battlefields sooner than they might have been otherwise?
Raised as a “graven idol-worshipping Catholic” in Springfield, Missouri–headquarters of the Assembly of God church mentioned by Sharlet—I can already imagine evangelicals citing this letter as further proof of the need to treat Catholics with mistrust. As Sharlet’s reporting reminds us, suspicion of the Other is eternal.
Terre ThaemlitzKawasaki, Japan
― with hidden noise, Monday, 29 June 2009 19:19 (sixteen years ago)
cool thanks, i was hoping he'd put it on the comatonse website but he hadn't
― ❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Monday, 29 June 2009 21:19 (sixteen years ago)
"The Occasional Feel-Good" is such a great payoff.
― the stick stickly from the hilarious 'attack attack' band (The Reverend), Sunday, 5 July 2009 08:33 (sixteen years ago)
This is pretty lush. I want a real copy. Where in the UK?
― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 15:02 (sixteen years ago)
House Music Is Controllable reminds me of (early) Bark Psychosis; if they'd made a record straight after Blue and gone total house.
― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 15:07 (sixteen years ago)
i think juno has it
― just sayin, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 15:32 (sixteen years ago)
nice to know that other homo deep house thugs read Harper's. had a subscription since i was 17, eight years on and i'm still rockin it.
― gonna be a long hot summer for the MS Word paperclip (the table is the table), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 16:58 (sixteen years ago)
This album would be great without his obnoxious rants. I have a number of issues with the things he says but I love the music. In the end, it's just going to be a novelty item because the preaching he does is so terrible and limited. I can't even listen to most of this anymore because of the talking. He should have offered it as an instrumental and done his preaching in the liner notes. As it is, this is like Moby going off on one of his albums. Love the music, hate the decision to include his holier-than-thou ranting on top of every track.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 17:05 (sixteen years ago)
can you elaborate on what you disagree with in terms of his rants? to me thaemlitz is speaking some serious truths.
― gonna be a long hot summer for the MS Word paperclip (the table is the table), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 17:14 (sixteen years ago)
i mean, i think you're missing the point if you just don't want them there at all, but i can understand-- it just ain't your thing.
― gonna be a long hot summer for the MS Word paperclip (the table is the table), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 17:16 (sixteen years ago)
i think the "vocal house sux" stuff in the intro is kind of eye-rolly tbh
― all we hear is lady o'gaga (donna rouge), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 17:25 (sixteen years ago)
my problem is that he sounds bitter, whether i disagree with him (the intro) or kind of agree (ball'r).
who wants a bitter house record?
― elan, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 17:36 (sixteen years ago)
Sorry to break it to you, donna, but if you look at what is being said in regards to Strictly Rhythm and whatnot, thaemlitz is right on... i mean, i love me some Todd Terry and MAW as much as the next queer, house-loving guy, but Strictly did turn towards a more commercial, filtered sound that betrayed its roots....the same thing is happening with Ibadan right now, one could argue, as is evidenced by many of Dennis Ferrer and Jerome Sydenham's recent sets....
― gonna be a long hot summer for the MS Word paperclip (the table is the table), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 17:39 (sixteen years ago)
that came out a lot more condescending than i meant it to, j03. sorry-- i just kind of agree with some of the shit that's being said, and also think that people are kind of pressing this too hard as a house record-- it really isn't a house record, imho, but an electronic treatise on house music, philosophically speaking.
anyway...
― gonna be a long hot summer for the MS Word paperclip (the table is the table), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 17:42 (sixteen years ago)
I don't want philosophy mixed in with my music. It diminishes the number of times I can enjoy the album. I'd have to listen to the album again to tell you specifically what I disagree with and it's not so much that I disagree with too many of his statements but I just don't enjoy having to hear him talk over every song (or nearly every song). I would enjoy it more if he had just written an essay and included it in the liner notes and left the album instrumental.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 17:46 (sixteen years ago)
I really like the talky bits. I think it's kind of funny to half this pseudo academic thing grafted on to the dancing body, and I think the synthesis between what he's saying and how the music expresses it works pretty perfect. I don't really understand this thing I've realised on ILM lately that people seem to get really annoyed when some piece of music (or whatever) espouses a different opinion to theirs, as though that were some flaw in the music that the guy making it just doesn't understand or whatever. I mean fine if you think, I dunno that this record is a bit too STRICTLY VOCAL or whatevs with all the talking and just with the guy would be quiet so you can keep dancing, I mean I can respect that, but all this "I'm glad you can barely hear what he's saying because it's hella stupid" kindof annoys me for whatever reason. I guess its because I can enjoy something without necessarily agreeing with it and it seems a bit, well narrow-minded maybe?
― ❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 17:47 (sixteen years ago)
dj sprinkles is the gay moodymann
― michael jatas (r1o natsume), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 17:47 (sixteen years ago)
i guess that i just don't really hear this as a house record, as i mentioned above, and thus don't really think it can be criticized in the same way as a house record.
― gonna be a long hot summer for the MS Word paperclip (the table is the table), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 17:49 (sixteen years ago)
it's clearly a house record though
― michael jatas (r1o natsume), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 17:50 (sixteen years ago)
and yeah, i mean, i love moodyman's rants on his records, and tend to like the rants on this record, too. i feel like it is somewhat important to have someone addressing these issues who is actually a practicing musician rather than just a critic-- so what KDJ is to Detroit and the African-American roots of house music, Thaemlitz is to New York and the polysexual roots of the New York house scene.
― gonna be a long hot summer for the MS Word paperclip (the table is the table), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 17:52 (sixteen years ago)
yeah i think TT regards this as a corrective to what he dislikes about house music in 2008 so in that sense it's def. a house record
― all we hear is lady o'gaga (donna rouge), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 17:53 (sixteen years ago)
xp
After going back through the album briefly, there aren't as many annoying spoken parts as I remembered but the Midtown Intro and the end of the Madonna thing really bother me. He was sitting at a table with the person who taught Madonna to vogue, he was outside the Loft, he was the king is his mind and he's bitter that he hasn't received the attention he thinks he deserves. I may have overstated my annoyance at the spoken bits since they don't seem to be all over every track like I had remembered but I still think this album would have a longer life if he hadn't included those statements over the music. Liner notes is the place to rant and complain about your lack of fame.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 17:54 (sixteen years ago)
not in the same way that Ron Trent's new album is a house record, r1o--- yeah, this is more housey than "Raw through a Straw" and etc, but i find it hard to imagine people really jamming to this in a big room, with or without the vocal bits/
― gonna be a long hot summer for the MS Word paperclip (the table is the table), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 17:54 (sixteen years ago)
also I don't sense as much bitterness as most people do from this record. in a sense, i just think thaemlitz is raising the idea that a lot of popular house music is based on conceits of love, unity and togetherness, when much of the actual house music world is based on exclusion and capital. i don't necessarily agree with these ideas all the way, as i find that house music is what you want it to be, but the points that are raised are interesting sociologically and historically. that's all.
― gonna be a long hot summer for the MS Word paperclip (the table is the table), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 18:03 (sixteen years ago)
xxxps Blue is probably a pretty good soundalike actually (bigshot in any case) prefer this tho
― ❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 18:25 (sixteen years ago)
I do kinda like the "fuck you, it does matter if you're black or white, it just doesn't matter to you because you're on the right side" attitude a little bit, but the losing my edge for the paris is burning brigade angle rubs me the wrong way too.
― ❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 18:27 (sixteen years ago)
Sisters, I don't know what this world is coming to sounds like water coming down a staircase btw
― ❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 18:28 (sixteen years ago)
table is sorta right tho, you can't really dance to this I mean
― ❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 18:30 (sixteen years ago)
this track is so amazing
― psychgawsple, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 18:36 (sixteen years ago)
thats my fav track
yeah frankly i dont know how u can really get like offended by what hes saying here, i dont agree w/ all of it// its not my worldview but then i listen to rap so im used to this sort of thing.
i think that the spoken bits really make sense to the album & i def cant imagine the album without them -- that would be weird
― mustafa moe money (deej), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 18:45 (sixteen years ago)
'this sort of thing' being 'views i dont actually agree with' not inferring that TT's views here are even close to the level of 'offensive' some rappers are
― mustafa moe money (deej), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 18:46 (sixteen years ago)
can someone recommend me some more faggy jazz echoey piano music that you know of while we're at it.
― ❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 18:48 (sixteen years ago)
I'm listening to Drive-By by The Necks right now which ALMOST fits the "faggy jazz echoey piano music" description to a T.
― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 18:50 (sixteen years ago)
In that it's literally (1 60-minute piece of) echoey piano jazz with an amazing groove.
checking it out!
― ❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 18:53 (sixteen years ago)
not to be jerk, but you can get that entire Necks track here: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?z0mzbe1ujwq .
i also highly rate it.
― gonna be a long hot summer for the MS Word paperclip (the table is the table), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 18:55 (sixteen years ago)
lol at "yes just one track"
― ❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 18:56 (sixteen years ago)
One of my very favourite albums / tracks of the decade, without a shadow of a doubt.
Back when I ran the library film & music department and we'd play music, this was the single piece of music that garnered the most "wow, what's this, where can I get it" comments from both students and academics. Everyone loved it.
― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 19:02 (sixteen years ago)
^^^bolsters my theory that Drive-by aurally (orally?) simulates (stimulates?) a good round of the sex...
― henry s, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 19:24 (sixteen years ago)
It gets really spacey about 20 minutes in
― ❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 19:25 (sixteen years ago)
Their debut album was called Sex as I recall.
― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 20:52 (sixteen years ago)
Also has anyone heard the Gayest Tits complication she put out a couple years ago? Haven’t seen much discussion about it here but seems like the kind of thing y’all would like
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Saturday, 28 January 2023 00:11 (three years ago)
I bought it. It's wonderful. Spent a long weekend in Palm Springs last year with only this set for music in the car. Perfectly stenciled the visit into my brain - very scenic music. The Will Long CD (Long Trax) it came with is also lovely. Hours and hours of spacy, chugging warmth.
― Psychocandy Apple Grey (Pyschocandles), Saturday, 28 January 2023 02:08 (three years ago)
https://ra.co/podcast/1013
― Murgatroid, Wednesday, 13 August 2025 13:11 (ten months ago)
<3
incredible, important, necessary mix
― ivy., Wednesday, 13 August 2025 13:45 (ten months ago)
Psyched to get home for this
― baka mitai guy (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 13 August 2025 14:05 (ten months ago)
I just revisited her earlier RA.188 podcast, which is also incredible.
― toby, Thursday, 14 August 2025 06:27 (ten months ago)
I found this deeply moving and upsetting - amazing stuff
― Tim F, Thursday, 14 August 2025 15:16 (ten months ago)
Finally got to listening to the RA mix last night and I agree with you all, it's incredible, wow.
― brain (krakow), Friday, 13 February 2026 08:03 (four months ago)