i don't really know what she's even responding to, like yeah people were saying that stuff like 8 years ago but i didn't think they still were?
enh feel like I've seen slight variants on here a lot more recently
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 12:56 (four years ago) link
I would pay double retail price for the next Lana Del Rey album if it meant I never had to read anyone else's thoughts about it, or her.
an absolute steal imho
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 12:58 (four years ago) link
Anyway, I’m more unsettled by the fact that lj has yet to weigh in on the recent KAS debacle. Could it be that he’s concealing his own anti-vaxxer views by proxy?
― pomenitul, Thursday, 21 May 2020 12:59 (four years ago) link
I googled this because I’m a masochist and I can’t atop laughing at I’m fed up with female writers and alt singers saying that I glamorize abuse when in reality I’m just a glamorous person singing about the realities of what we are all now seeing are very prevalent abusive relationships all over the world.
― (so serious) (DJP), Thursday, 21 May 2020 13:24 (four years ago) link
Also following up
With all of the topics women are finally allowed to explore I just want to say over the last ten years I think it’s pathetic that my minor lyrical exploration detailing my sometimes submissive or passive roles in my relationships has often made people say I’ve set women back hundreds of years.
with:
Let this be clear, I’m not not a feminist
basically I can’t wait for her forthcoming collaboration with Kanye
― (so serious) (DJP), Thursday, 21 May 2020 13:28 (four years ago) link
honestly surprised it hasn't happened yet since kanye is a known fan of hers right?
― ufo, Thursday, 21 May 2020 13:32 (four years ago) link
do you mean the guy she openly disparaged on her last album and in the press
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 13:33 (four years ago) link
I know quite a few women who have gripes with mainstream feminist discourse. Do you guys not or
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 13:36 (four years ago) link
oh i'd forgotten about that, really shows how much i pay attention to her lyrics lol
i don't think she's glamourising abuse and the claims she does have always been a mess, but she's doing herself absolutely no favours here
― ufo, Thursday, 21 May 2020 13:38 (four years ago) link
I agree that as a rule musicians shouldn't bother getting into the much of rebutting criticism but the idea she's talking about something not-real is pretty blatantly false
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 13:40 (four years ago) link
“I’m not not a feminist—but there has to be a place in feminism for women who look and act like me—the kind of woman who says no but men hear yes—the kind of women who are slated mercilessly for being their authentic, delicate selves, the kind of women who get their own stories and voices taken away from them by stronger women or by men who hate women.”
this reads very differently when you go beyond the first five words
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 13:47 (four years ago) link
there is a tiny kernel of a point (female artists especially are expected to make a didactic, good-role-model music) buried in a lot of bad take
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 21 May 2020 13:49 (four years ago) link
authentic
I really wish this word hadn't been bludgeoned to death.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 21 May 2020 13:51 (four years ago) link
Opening with “now that all the darkies had hits with their punanis, can’t I just be famous and sad in peace” is not going to put me in a space to give her the benefit of the doubt.
― (so serious) (DJP), Thursday, 21 May 2020 13:53 (four years ago) link
^^^^^^
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 May 2020 13:54 (four years ago) link
who are some white women who've had number ones recently besides Ariana
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 13:55 (four years ago) link
like the optics are clearly bad but what kinda dataset are we working with here
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 13:56 (four years ago) link
(this is a real question, I don't pay attention to the pop charts and I had to google Doja Cat's ethnicity)
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 13:59 (four years ago) link
actually it would have been smart to name Eilish cause I don't recall anyone giving her shit for "Bad Guy" (idk maybe they did and I missed The Discourse)
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 14:07 (four years ago) link
I mostly saw "it's super creepy that her brother wrote that song for her" countered by "they wrote it together and the creepiness is obviously intentional"
― (so serious) (DJP), Thursday, 21 May 2020 14:10 (four years ago) link
that sounds about right
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 14:12 (four years ago) link
I was just listening to the new 1975 and I was imagining the absolute shitstorm that would befall LDR if she has similarly included a "cheeky" lyric about how she was "too busy" to get involved in politics
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 14:16 (four years ago) link
Simon doesn't care if you're a black, white, green, purple Doja Cat
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 May 2020 14:20 (four years ago) link
moo!
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 14:20 (four years ago) link
why bring any of those women into it?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 May 2020 14:21 (four years ago) link
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:16 AM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
... is this a scenario that would ever happen
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 21 May 2020 14:22 (four years ago) link
she should definitely have just stuck to "my contemporaries" or something
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 14:25 (four years ago) link
is this a scenario that would ever happen
no I do not think this exact scenario I completely imagined would happen. but it's really not hard for me to locate the feeling that she inspires vitriol for things other artists don't get pilloried for. just the mention of her name to certain friends has inspired remarkable levels of derision that go well beyond the norm. (and I don't think they're reading interviews.)
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 14:28 (four years ago) link
I still really like her but she does seem, lately, to kind of explode in anger at aspects of reviews that no one else seems to recognize or see. I wish it was clearer what she was explicitly reacting to here.
― akm, Thursday, 21 May 2020 14:29 (four years ago) link
she does get a lot of shit she doesn't deserve but she's really brought it on herself here
― ufo, Thursday, 21 May 2020 14:30 (four years ago) link
yeah to be clear the ratio of kernel of point to bad take is something like 5:95
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:47 (four years ago) link
Yes, it reads like "I'm not a feminist except for when it's convenient and directly beneficial to me."
― (so serious) (DJP), Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:53 (four years ago) link
the kind of woman who says no but men hear yes
pretty sure this is not a kind of woman but her metaphysics of relations seems to be very advanced
― j., Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:57 (four years ago) link
'norman fucking rockwell' is a great album
― treeship., Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:13 (four years ago) link
the kind of women who get their own stories and voices taken away from them by stronger women
Is this meant to refer to Ann P0wers specifically?
― Inadequate grass (morrisp), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:14 (four years ago) link
as with the ann powers thing my reaction to this is mainly: whut
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:22 (four years ago) link
having ppl comb thru yr every thought and sound with dismissiveness/derision (and yes a ton of sexism) makes some ppl extremely defensive. It's not rocket science
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:26 (four years ago) link
i gotta be real i do not think this statement makes enough sense to defend, and that opening line is horrendous, and once again i am like "wow it's even more incredible that this seemingly profoundly un-self-aware person is credited with creating a deeply layered persona that refracts america back at itself or whatever"
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:34 (four years ago) link
once again i am like "wow it's even more incredible that this seemingly profoundly un-self-aware person is credited with creating a deeply layered persona that refracts america back at itself or whatever"
But what's more American than a total lack of self-awareness?
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:36 (four years ago) link
lol otm
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:37 (four years ago) link
shhh i hear thinkpieces brewing xp
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:38 (four years ago) link
Thinkpiece blueprint no. 1: said lack may in fact be imputable to excess.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:42 (four years ago) link
can't publish thinkpieces with no more media
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:43 (four years ago) link
Equating her with Kanye as some have is super unfair imo. Her thoughts are messy and sometimes poorly formed but she's very far from some kind of MAGA shithead nor does she seem to be on that trajectory.
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:43 (four years ago) link
this thinkpiece must of course incorporate her titles and lyrics for that perfect DON'T YOU SEE effect
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:43 (four years ago) link
Let's all fight the real enemy, Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:45 (four years ago) link
Hope is a Dangerous Thing for a Lana Del Rey Fan to Have
by ALFRED SOTO
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:46 (four years ago) link
Go on.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:47 (four years ago) link
Her thoughts are messy and sometimes poorly formed but she's very far from some kind of MAGA shithead nor does she seem to be on that trajectory.
There's no good way to articulate how her "I intend to give reparations... to the Navajo" felt like a specific, intentional dig after that opening salvo without making it seem like I don't think native Nations deserve reparations (I do not agree with that position; everyone fucked over by the Europeans that colonized this continent deserves reparations) but that is how that felt to me.
― (so serious) (DJP), Thursday, 21 May 2020 17:15 (four years ago) link
what did Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith do?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 May 2020 17:20 (four years ago) link