tbf the BD shoutbox is also full of v supportive fans and some at times actually-useful analysis about how (trans) women are treated by the rym public. the 'problem' with BD is that their music is actually amazing so all their fans (myself included) keep voting it into #1 lol
― imago
and unfortunately i won't ever see it because i'm not exactly up to seeing the sort of stuff 4chan refugees are prone to spewing out
gresham's law of internet discourse at work
but hey, the system works, right?
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 24 April 2020 20:54 (four years ago) link
that's entirely fair
it is weird how certain trans artists have been 'legitimised' (SOPHIE mostly, as stated above) and I'm curious as to what the reasons are. contrapoints speaks a lot of the dreaded 'passing' idea, and maybe SOPHIE 'passes' not so much as a ciswoman but as cismusic, if that makes any sense?
― imago, Friday, 24 April 2020 20:57 (four years ago) link
xpost sorry Kate for the late reply, I realise your reply deserves one even though my English isn't the best:
first off, there is in fact no difference between "some anonymous dude in a basement" and "an actual trans woman with real issues", assuming that so-called "anonymous dude" identifies as trans. you're talking about the same person here.
I'm aware of that, I was more thinking of the scenario of the "dude in a basement" (or "cynical producer in a studio") does not identify as trans and is just trying to invent a fictional persona that hits all the right controversy buttons, for marketing reasons rather than sincere investment in the cause.
my personal attitude is to judge everything someone says as if they mean it.
I wish I could. My attitude is to do this with personal stories from people I meet in real life or from verified sources. In a complete shitstorm I more or less randomly encounter online, I just cannot do it immediately. Nearly everything that skims to the surface online on unmoderated spaces from unaccountable 'people' is not real. The accounts are not real people, if they are real they don't engage in good faith discussions, and messages are carefully crafted to maximise clicks or outrage (which is why it skims to the top in the first place and a casual passer-by like me sees it). It must be incredibly frustrating to be a sincere individual trying to raise issues or open discussions in good faith on these platforms, in the midst of all this garbage. The unmoderated internet just isn't the right place to be an authentic voice. Raising a voice in a genre (Breakcore/Powernoise) that's absolutely saturated with retarded edgelords definitely does not help. Or maybe it does, bringing the fight to their doorstep or something, I don't know.
And to tie into what imago says re: SOPHIE (or Anohni, or for that matter any other people who are caught up in whatever sociopolitical shitstorm-du-jour), I think the reason she's seen as legit is that even for the most peripheral observer, she is undeniably *real*, plays festivals, works with other real people, does interviews with legit sources. She's out there and can't be denied or brushed off.
― Siegbran, Monday, 27 April 2020 14:56 (four years ago) link
no worries about the "late" reply siegbran, one of the things i like about this board is that you can say what you need to say when you're ready to say it. the pressure for immediacy doesn't help me communicate very well myself
before we get any further i'm taking from the context of your post that english maybe isn't your first language, so i wanted to let you know that the word "retarded" is commonly considered very offensive these days. that's a fairly recent change - there are a lot of old threads here that used it, some of which have been edited to not use it, some of which have been locked - so i'm making the good-faith assumption that you just didn't know. please make an effort to not use that word again.
i'm trying to come to grips with what you're saying and i admit that i am having a little bit of trouble understanding. so let me try to explain again what i was saying, and hopefully we're not talking past each other too much.
regarding sophie, what you say may be true. i also, when i look at sophie, see a glamorous, a pretty young woman. i am none of those things. i've made my peace with that, and i work to look good and feel good in my own way, because there are are as many ways to be a trans woman as there are ways to be a cis woman. a lot of people maybe haven't reached that place, though, a lot of people _are_ extremely fixated on the perceived need to look glamorous and beautiful at all times, and i suspect that perhaps some of those values are factors why trans women like sophie and contrapoints are more widely accepted.
my experience with "extreme" online spaces is that a lot of the play-acting such people engage in is an attempt to express things they actually feel and believe but don't feel safe expressing "for real". i'm painfully familiar with the phenomenon wherein an "ironic Nazi" turns out, whoops! to be an actual Nazi. i think that perhaps this concept is transferable to people online "pretending" to be trans "for the lulz".
and the only way I can think to react to that is to take everything everyone says as if they mean it. i don't know how that would play out in your "unmoderated spaces" because i don't really operate in those spaces. maybe the result of behaving like that would be that you would be harassed and shouted out of those spaces. maybe that's a risk you have to deal with.
so how about a cost-benefit analysis? you're going somewhere to have a nice conversation about breakcore, someone says something that makes you feel really uncomfortable. you remain silent. what are the costs to that? what toll does it take on you to see that sort of behavior treated as acceptable, as unquestioned and, really, unquestionable, day in, day out?
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 27 April 2020 16:02 (four years ago) link
Active for slightly more than a decade, racked up nearly 120,000 ratings in the process. Impressive?
https://rateyourmusic.com/~teninchshrimp
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 03:44 (three years ago) link
no b/c his (it's abundantly safe to assume he's a he) taste is rockist shite that barely deviates from the also-horrible user base's consensus
in his 5-star rating category: multiple beatles lp's and 45's!
in his 0.5-star rating category: beyoncé "get me bodied"
need anything else be said?
― dyl, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 05:40 (three years ago) link
Wait, what? 5 stars for the Beatles?
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 13:18 (three years ago) link
lol this argument holds no water on my end. Beatles LPs should never exceed 4 stars, though.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 13:37 (three years ago) link
Beatles, Burzum, the Byrds
― peace, man, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 13:46 (three years ago) link
a person with that many ratings can't possibly enjoy music
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 13:49 (three years ago) link
I just gave a 5.0 to a single called "Now That's What I Jack Off About"
tbf it's better than any Beatles song
― frogbs, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 13:56 (three years ago) link
giving five stars to the beatles is _so_ 2006
real rym users give five stars to radiohead and whitehouse records
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:35 (three years ago) link
otm
Also, I had no idea that The Stooges put out a record called Дом кайфа.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:40 (three years ago) link
I am curious what the charts will look like in 10 years, when most users' parents were into Radiohead and Sufjan instead of the Beatles & Floyd
― frogbs, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 15:14 (three years ago) link
well, look at the 2020 chart, with Jessie Ware at #5 and Rina Sawayama at #28
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 15:35 (three years ago) link
― pomenitul
damn, you haven't heard "high house"? it's a classic!
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 15:57 (three years ago) link
imo the site should honor its name and only allow you to rate your own music
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:03 (three years ago) link
https://images.app.goo.gl/4CMEk2o2QjsS452r8
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:15 (three years ago) link
Turns out I wrote 4’33 without realizing it.xp
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:21 (three years ago) link
omg how do i get my music added to the rym database?!?!?
i must rate all of my music the most fair and unexciting rating possible: two and a half stars!
unrelated: just loaded up the site for the first time in a long while and among the highlighted reviews was this one for minnie riperton's first album:
It's no secret that I'm a huge sucker for string arrangements-- just check out some of my fives and you'll see the obsession I have with the lushest of pop songs. As far as I'm concerned, this is the premiere sleeper baroque pop album. Minnie puts her best foot forward on the immense, immaculate Les Fleur, but throughout are gorgeous arrangements graced with her soulful pipes. There's not a single dull moment here. This is up there with your Scott Walkers, Brian Wilsons, and Lee Hazlewoods. Maya Rudolph's mom was onto something, y'all.
a ***gasp*** BLACK WOMAN who makes music that's "up there with" a bunch of white men!??!?!! golly, how insightful.
yep, the place can still get fucked unmercifully as far as i'm concerned.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 17:10 (three years ago) link
uh, Austin--it's Rate your music, RATE
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 17:12 (three years ago) link
sounds like that LP is almost as good as 15 Big Ones!
i would co-sign with some of the people above saying that generally the reviews are god awful needledrop-esque pseud shite, but that the general year rating charts actually aren't too bad most of the time and sometimes include some interesting outliers, and there are also at least a few users who make some good genre specific lists that are helpful for discovery
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 17:14 (three years ago) link
so i typed the above and then saw they've got that new Strokes album at #14 so just ignore me, i'm deleting my account etc
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 17:15 (three years ago) link
so he clicked his mouse 120,000 times in 10 years
― brimstead, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 17:16 (three years ago) link
I don't think I have ever consciously read an entire RYM review. get in, peep the genre charts for cool new shit, get out.
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 17:18 (three years ago) link
Fellow ILMers have written RYM reviews and they’re unsurprisingly very good!
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 17:29 (three years ago) link
i should start submitting the same exact review for everything, but change the rating.
have it be some real opaque, vanilla type of write up: "the songs here are as present as ever and it truly feels like a revelation."
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 17:36 (three years ago) link
"An improvement on their last offering."
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 17:39 (three years ago) link
rymmv
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 17:40 (three years ago) link
― brimstead
just think of the Cookie Clicker score he could have had by now. what a waste.
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 18:07 (three years ago) link
Genres Avant-Garde Jazz, Drone Metal, ZeuhlBrutal Prog, Tribal Ambient, Avant-Garde Metal, Spiritual Jazz, Drone, Psychedelic Rock, Free Jazz, Post-Metal vote on genresDescriptors avant-garde, dense, spiritual, progressive, psychedelic, tribal, heavy, surreal, eclectic, uncommon time signatures, chaotic, occult, epic, mysterious, apocalyptic, fantasy, ritualistic, hypnotic, dissonant, ominous, meditative, cryptic, atmospheric, improvisation, noisy, abstract, repetitive, male vocals, concept album, complex
y'all i just fucking can't, imago can you please listen to and hate this record so that you can shit-talk it, thanks
otoh i also found this album on there just now and i'm liking it a lot!
https://youtu.be/aSwkcsxhAoM
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 18:49 (three years ago) link
is that the genre/tag list for NEPTUNIAN MAXIMALISM?
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 18:50 (three years ago) link
I just mean, why assume that someone rating an album = they even heard the album
― brimstead, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 18:58 (three years ago) link
Kate, that album rules. imago gave it 4 stars iirc.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 19:05 (three years ago) link
i apologize for bad posts, just being snooty
― brimstead, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 19:05 (three years ago) link
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.)
haha got it in one
we need less neptunian maximalism and more uranian maximalism if you ask me
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 19:05 (three years ago) link
that's a really cool album even if the trend towards beyond-CD-capacity opuses this year is tiring me out
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 19:09 (three years ago) link
I got a real nice comment in my shoutbox the other day, "its so refreshing every time i discover a new bizarre electronic pop artist youre there in the reviews"
― frogbs, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 19:12 (three years ago) link
NEPTUNIAN MAXIMALISM is indeed great; I might have given it even more than 4 stars if they hadn't turned the entire final third of the album into some sort of interminable latter-day-Earth imitation
― imago, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 20:15 (three years ago) link
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 17:15 (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
the current top 10 is better than any other organisation will muster at year's end, and don't worry canon fans, Apple is still #1
― imago, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 20:17 (three years ago) link
very disappointed that Neptunian Maximalism is a band, not a new genre
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 20:23 (three years ago) link
it's kind of both
― imago, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 20:24 (three years ago) link
rym quite liking this year's just alright strokes album when they hated the far-superior comedown machine is still baffling to me
― ufo, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 22:08 (three years ago) link
I don't usually write reviews, but I just had too for this one. This album is just so terrible. I mean, it’s so bad that it should be banned from your ears. This should be illegal in every country!! This makes your city garbage dumb look like a heaven. This album is just so crap that if it was manure, the amount of shit that it possesses could fertilizer the world 5 times over. But then it would also kill everything because the level of crap in it is just such horrible quality. Even global warming would be like "Dude, slow down!!" because it can’t keep up with this level of pollution!
The point of this is, do not listen to this, no matter how morbid you're curiosity. Listening to this is like committing suicide on music. Just don’t. Just please don’t. Save yourself the pain and hurt this will cause you.
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 17 July 2020 00:39 (three years ago) link
Sounds awesome!
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 17 July 2020 01:05 (three years ago) link
seriously fuck neptunian maximalism y'all need to get with plutonian herd
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 17 July 2020 01:11 (three years ago) link
It's cute that Neptunian Maximalism is getting hate in here when it will almost certainly be a top 10 album in this year's ILM metal album poll.
I think it's really great but a little ponderous which eventually caused me to decide to not purchase it. The only ridiculously long album of late I have the patience for is the Paysage d'Hiver.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 17 July 2020 23:16 (three years ago) link
I didn't hate it but I definitely regret spending the best part of 6 and a half hours of my life with it
― ultros ultros-ghali, Friday, 17 July 2020 23:21 (three years ago) link
Hah, I thought it'd be up your alley, ultros. What are your 2020 metal highlights thus far, pray tell?
― pomenitul, Friday, 17 July 2020 23:22 (three years ago) link
I'll do a roundup in the metal thread in a sec
― ultros ultros-ghali, Friday, 17 July 2020 23:34 (three years ago) link