Nick Cave : Classic or Dud ?

nick cave's writing was almost always pretentious

Gotta risk pretentiousness and sentimentality to get anywhere deep.

That said, was that excerpted in Razzle?

Dig Lazarus Dig (album) overall is amusing and well written, and there are plenty of great songs on it. I really like it.

"Avril Lavigne" is very nearly an anagram of "Evil Vagina"!

actual LOLZ

Too bad "vagina" doesn't have two syllables or else you could sing it to the tune of "Evil Woman". That is, if you could do Jeff Lynne's falsetto.

i like grinderman and lazarus now. not sure what I was thinking a few years back. I even like nocturama now.

Yeah Bunny Munro was pretty terrible. Hard to believe it was written by the same person who wrote the wonderful And The Ass Saw The Angel.

i kind of like most of no more shall we part now as well. what is wrong with me. I'm still pretty sure bunny munro will not be any good though.

Actually I see things exactly opposite. "...And the Ass Saw the Angel" was a nice try but Nick clearly wasn't up to the task of writing a story in the O'Connor/Faulkner mode. That book ends up a pretentious mess.

"Bunny Munro" on the other hand was, to me, pretty funny in parts and much more relaxed. It didn't pretend to be great literature and the tone much in line with the louche demeanor put forth by Grinderman.

after spending a lot of time with all the post-boatman's call albums over the past month, it's pretty obvious to me now that abattoir blues/lyre of orpheus is a monumental masterpiece of a record, maybe better than boatman's call, rivaling the good son for my favorite overall record of his. I suppose a lot of people already knew this but for some reason I slept on this album for a long time, maybe because of the length, maybe also because even though I'd purchased it, the version I had on my ipod was cobbled together mp3s of different bitrates and mis-sequenced and it seemed more like a mess than it actually is.

Yes, it's fantastic. Probably my album of the year for 2004 and a hell of a masterpiece, his best work overall.

It is probably crazy how much better I like "From Her to Eternity" on the Wings of Desire soundtrack v. "From Her to Eternity" on the album of that name. It's just razor sharp, man.

very much seconded. I discovered the song through that movie and was appalled when I heard the tinny original.

Totally otm. Movie version so much richer, much more dramatic. I always skip the original bc I hate the way it sounds.

When they're first committed to tape, lot of Bad Seeds numbers (in contrast to Nick Cave songs) seem to be a groove with a chord change and a monologue on top. It's later on that the noise and improv gets solidified into a song. The Live Seeds versions of his early 90s stuff is a lot more compelling too. "Tupelo" and "Mercy Seat" seem to be lucky situations where the total fire was there at the start.

yeah i'm not usually a fan of live albums but most versions on Live Seed kill the originals

Oops:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/08/article-0-0C65AD15000005DC-492_634x415.jpg

Though I do love this:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/08/article-0-0C65ADAF000005DC-582_634x647.jpg

wtf is that jacket

(his I mean)

What's with all these Australians suddenly trying to bring back western civilization? First Assange, now this...

er, not back, down :-/

Love the comment:

Never heard of him but now I'm a big fan.

just discovered murder ballads. wow!

stagger lee is mindblowing. this is where cave laid the groundwork for the grinderman project, no?

stagger lee blows the rest of that album out of the water, which is saying a lot since it's packed with gems. love the video for it as well. it's basically just the band standing around, but NC and BB just have so much damn presence.

it reminds me of worm tamer from grinderman 2.

this is where cave laid the groundwork for the grinderman project, no?

no

yeah, i've now read the sound/vibe for grinderman goes back as far as cave's early band (the birthday-party, iirc?). i wasn't a fan years ago, when i heard that stuff. maybe it's time for another try, since i love grinderman 2 so much.

http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/news/9530466.Julie_named_Alumnus_of_the_Year/

awesome

bring back the handlebar mustache tho

"Well of Misery", Electric Ballroom, 1984 - billed as Nick Cave & The Cavemen

fkn great performance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFdUTM4gU-o

lol@ spanish subtitles

goddammit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26zga0G_C4A

one more

St Huck, Barcelona 1984

melt ur face

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcnUvZqvBiI

He was fantastic once.

I'm sure I've wondered out loud here about this, but the de facto breakup of Grinderman and the return of the Dirty Three makes me wonder about the state of the current Bad Seeds. There's been boilerplate murmurings of a new album, but nothing concrete. Been four years.

its all a bit weird

4 years? But Grinderman 2 came out in 2010. Seems like it had run its course and now he's figuring out the next phase of his career.

4 years since "Dig, Lazarus, Dig!" the last Bad Seeds album, which is not Grinderman (different sound, line-up, name, etc.).

Dud.

Nick's all "I started working with Rasputin when?"

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/308907_330981433660239_652789611_n.jpg

Cave looks a lot less bald there than last time I saw him. Perhaps he shaved off the stache and stuck it on his head?

Hell yeah:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK59GDfWvsg&feature=youtu.be

Went to the final tour rehearsal for the new album last night, at a leisure centre ballroom in Hove … and good God the new songs were boring, apart from Jubilee Street or whatever it's called. Not a single melody between them.

There has been some anticipation of the album on this thread. But yes, it's looking like a boring one.

Wow: http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/jul/02/nick-cave-interview-jack-barron-rocks-backpages

Is that a Guardian page that links to the Barron interview on Rock's Back Pages, or someone talking about it, or a new interview with Barron about it?

Click on it, maybe you'll see.

Wow.

great interview! (seriously)

incidentally the current tour is fucking ferocious and amazing, saw him in SF the other night and it was maybe the best I've seen him out of five or so tours