Taking Sides: Genesis 1970-1977 Vs. Genesis 1978-91

keith emerson wearing leather trousers stabbing a keyboard > keith emerson in a stadium playing a levitating synthesizer

HARD AGREE

The bit when Collins breaks into a surf drum break after all the galloping 3/4 when Gabriel sings 'stand up and fight' is so fucking great.

It's not Phil, it's John Mayhew on Trespass.

that 76 video was awesome by the way. young Phil is a lot of fun to watch

I thought you were in the US?

― Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.)

yes? i don't get what you're saying. a show doesn't have to be broadcast on american television for me to have seen it. i'm broadly familiar with a lot of british-broadcast television of the '60s and '70s

It's not Phil, it's John Mayhew on Trespass

Unless he's talking about the version on Genesis Live, of course.

(xp) I'm saying "The Flashing Blade" is a very obscure TV series for anyone outside of the UK (and France obviously) to be familiar with!

The original French series was apparently broadcast in Canada. Was it good?

it was silly even if you were 7 but it was swashbuckling action and had a memorable themetune with a dubious moral message

Kinda violent for a kids show?

it depicted the olden days, thats ok

Unless he's talking about the version on Genesis Live, of course.

which absolutely fucking rules (and was my second Genesis purchase, at the age of 11 or so, after Invisible Touch. Almost as baffling an experience as when, after falling in love with Sugar's Copper Blue, I decided to check out Bob Mould's old band Husker Du and bought the only album I could find locally, Land Speed Record)

Yeah, the Genesis live version is the one that plays in my head when I think about The Kinfe, I don't think I've listened to Trespass more than a couple of times.

Ah right , never occurred to me

I should listen to the album version to see if Mayhew wrote it like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4HfFwVy-h0&fbclid=IwAR3QAq9Q5mYnVyqJ4zsYzgmwBa8CAkyswyebfvaPItgaLIkaOfmfRf1OpUU&app=desktop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4HfFwVy-h0

Wrestling with the Giant Hogweed in my garden... pic.twitter.com/lZuVbr8xEw

— Steve Hackett (@HackettOfficial) April 6, 2020

Introducing the Genesis Film Festival, a celebration of live footage for you to enjoy at home during lockdown! Over the coming 5 weeks, every Saturday from 8pm BST / 2pm EDT / 11am PDT a new Genesis concert film will be made available to watch on the band’s official YouTube channel for 7 days. First up this week is ‘Three Sides Live’ from 1981! Don’t miss a thing by subscribing to the channel now - http://smarturl.it/YouTubeGenesis

· #GenesisFilmFestival programme ·

Saturday, April 18th · Three Sides Live (1981)
Saturday, April 25th · The Mama Tour (1984)
Saturday, May 2nd · Live At Wembley Stadium (1987)
Saturday, May 9th · The Way We Walk (1992)
Saturday, May 16th · When In Rome (2007)

...or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FBcz3tBH74

I was just listening to "Duke" on a run, and I think, for all the awesome stuff Phil has played on, if someone asked me what makes him a great drummer I think I might suggest listening to "Duke." It's just a great showcase for all his attributes: busy but melodic playing, beat displacement, making tricky time signatures sound accessible, the introduction of the big '80s drum sound (surprised this was pre-Padgham), the light touch with ballads, etc. "Behind the Lines" is just such a triumphant introduction to a new era of Genesis that in retrospect *this* is the album that probably should have been called "And Then There Were Three" (and that album maybe shouldn't really exist, not that it's particularly bad or anything, just clearly transitional).

yeah outside of the single I never remember a thing about that album

Duke is one of the few Genesis albums I don't have on LP, I dunno why since I'm sure I've seen it dozens of times for a buck or two. I just find the cover so unappealing. But it is surprisingly good, I read somewhere that a bunch of the songs were originally intended to be a long suite like Supper's Ready but they wound up getting split up. Still, the album makes more sense to me now

Duke is brilliant. Someone recommend me electronic music that sounds like the first two minutes of Duchess.

really fell in love with Duke this year, picked up a cheap vinyl copy on a whim

“turn it on again” is one of my favorite genesis jams

you can recreate the Duke Suite, and it was played that way in some live shows. It's cool, but it's no Supper's Ready.

Interesting that they they tried the suite idea again on Abacab with Dodo/Lurker/Naminanu/Submarine (I think) and scrapped that too

I listen to Dodo/Lurker only as the full suite now. Added Paperlate and Recall, dropped a couple of the slighter tracks and abacab became far more interesting.

I love the cover of Duke!

Was also thinking the other day that this is another band I had hoped to catch on their One More Time legacy/reunion tour that there's some chance I will never get to see perform again.

I'm in the same boat

Except I never saw them at all, don't know if you did, Josh

Yeah, I saw them in '92 and 2007. Both really good shows!

There are a few other major acts that were set to tour this year that honestly can't have too many more tours left in them. Like, Dylan - I've seen him a few times, and the last time he literally put me to sleep and I said "no more." Yet it sort of sent a shock through me considering this could literally be the end of the road for him. Tons of other acts, too, even much younger acts, especially those that went through stretches of hard living, who knows how much more sand they have in their hourglass. But those older acts in particular ...

That Genesis tour seemed like a disaster in the making but I’m still curious what they would’ve sounded like

The Lamb Drops Dead on Broadway

Expecting some "I Can't Dance" japes from Phil

"Hold On, My Heart"

Ugh, I think I'm 4 years older than Phil was in 1992.

I've never seen this Duke-era show, which is a pretty weird but interesting mix of old stuff, deep cuts and new, poppier stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZnP6eq9kcM

Also, just rewatched "Picnic at Hanging Rock" and noticed how much the score sounded like one of Tony Banks's interludes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_guHfwfIIO4

Seeing Genesis on their North American tour of Duke was my first large-scale concert experience. A few months earlier, a wiser friend strongly suggested that I invest in a ticket even though the band was mostly unknown to me. By the time they came to town, I was well-versed in every track they played, thanks to a concentrated focus that I now attribute to the obsessive enthusiasm of youth and the near-complete absence of distracting technology.

The Lyceum video captures pretty much the same set except that we didn't get The Knife as a second encore. Bastards.

I was fortunate enough to see Gabriel circa Security and Hackett finally on his Genesis Revisited Tour. I'm grateful for those opportunities. But I passed on the 2007 reunion and would definitely do the same for their post-viral tour, even if it crosses the Atlantic.

I was actually offered a free ticket to one of those two May 1980 Lyceum shows - a co-worker had been let down by his mate - but I politely declined, being at that point way too edgy and post-punk for Genesis.

I had, however, been to the Lyceum a few weeks earlier for The Psychedelic Furs headlining over A Certain Ratio, Echo & The Bunnymen, The Teardrop Explodes and Manicured Noise. I found some steps and dozed off for most of the Bunnymen's set, waking up during the start of ACR. Such nonchalance.

Saw them on the We Can't Dance tour and they did a Cage medley and there was a Phil'n'Chester drum duet and so that was good enough for me.

The first episode of "The Dress Up Gang" ("Burger Buddies" episode) is relevant to this thread, I swear: https://www.tbs.com/shows/the-dress-up-gang/season-1/episode-1/burger-buddies-new-look-day-explicit

just got Selling England on good quality vinyl for cheap, lord this is great stuff. been years since I heard this masterpiece.

already noticing how much of Hackett's great work I've already forgotten.

guess I have to listen to "More Fool Me" though :/

The playing on that album, but particularly from Phil and Steve, is incredible. First track alone ...

yeah I'm at the tail end right now and it's gorgeous. and I played this shit over and over when I first heard it, but there is so much I've forgotten. it's been at least 15 years, I'm so excited for when I get to "Firth of Fifth" now.

Firth Of Fifth is so sublime (tho the lyrics are dreadful)

Gabriel is such a fucking fruit loop -

https://youtu.be/5DinP93nW8Q?t=1157

So there I am, listening to "Invisible Touch," and for the first time I hear perceptible glimmers of old Genesis. Not on the couple of proggy songs, but in "In Too Deep," of all things. I thought, hmm, replace the digital synths with something more analog, even Mellotron, and replace the production with something more analog as well, slow things down, up the Romance a bit, and it could be on, say, "Wind & Wuthering."

So basically take out everything that makes it a crappy '80s Genesis pop song and replace it with stuff that makes it a great '70s Genesis prog song? Seems to me you could do that with any number of Genesis songs.