I've no bone to pick with the Rum Tum Tugger as long as he remains silent and under (paper) house arrest, i.e. in Old Possum's Book of Practical Cats.
― coco vide (pomenitul), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 18:24 (four years ago) link
I haven't figured this out yet. I'll never figure this out.
― coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 30 March 2020 14:40 (four years ago) link
Btw don't forget to request 1960s titles if you suspect I may forget them (not an ill-founded hunch tbh). As always, I'll do my best to include as many as possible.
― coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 30 March 2020 16:24 (four years ago) link
don't envy you the job of whittling it down to fifty - this is why I suggested five year polls :) I am sitting in a room is probably one of the lucier pieces least likely to qualify for inclusion but it's so beautiful & fragile & unique & perfect, and there aren't many occasions to talk about it so I will at least mention it here
― ogmor, Monday, 30 March 2020 17:22 (four years ago) link
It's a wonderful piece, but I think it would be a better fit for our upcoming electroacoustic/musique concrète/sound art poll (at least I hope it's upcoming – who would be best suited to such a task?).
― coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 30 March 2020 17:53 (four years ago) link
Does being in lockdown speed up time? Thought I still had ages to decide on a pick here!
― Hey, let me drunkenly animate yr boats in about 25 to 60 days! (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 30 March 2020 18:44 (four years ago) link
xp that poll should def happen! Won't do it alone but would help out tbh.
― Hey, let me drunkenly animate yr boats in about 25 to 60 days! (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 30 March 2020 18:45 (four years ago) link
Heh, I guess it does.
xp my knowledge of the stuff is severely lacking so someone else would definitely have to take over.
― coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 30 March 2020 18:46 (four years ago) link
Obvious chestnuts:Berio - SinfoniaStockhausen - StimmungRiley - In CGlass - Music in Similar MotionLigeti - AtmospheresPenderecki - Threnody...
Guitar music:Britten - Nocturnal after John Dowland, op. 70 (Bream recording recommended again)Stephen Dodgson - PartitaMaurice Ohana - Si le jour parait ...
― Sund4r, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 02:47 (four years ago) link
As far as the actual 50s poll, it probably comes down to Le marteau vs Brindle. I realize the former is the more important and greater work but the personal connection with the latter is strong.
― Sund4r, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 02:48 (four years ago) link
I could check the other thread, but I'm guessing it may have been you that lobbied for inclusion of the Brindle, Sund4r? If so, thanks! Enjoyed it, and there's a fair chance I wouldn't ever know about it otherwise. :)
― anatol_merklich, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 19:00 (four years ago) link
Yes, glad you liked it.
― Sund4r, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 19:02 (four years ago) link
I may just switch to 5 years for the remaining polls per ogmor's suggestion because my current longlist for the 60s is as excruciating as you'd expect.
― coco vide (pomenitul), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 21:05 (four years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 00:01 (four years ago) link
Fuck it, I'm voting Scelsi.
― coco vide (pomenitul), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 00:47 (four years ago) link
Anyone want to rep for Galina Ustvolskaya? Three pieces here and I've heard none before.
― Hey, let me drunkenly animate yr boats in about 25 to 60 days! (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 07:12 (four years ago) link
They represent a bleaker, starker, less consolatory late Shostakovich avant la lettre (he reportedly told her that she influenced him, not the other way around). For the Grand Duet, try Mstislav Rostropovich and Igor Uriash. The Violin Sonata is well served by Patricia Kopatchinskaja and Markus Hinterhäuser (on an excellent ECM disc). As for the 4th Piano Sonata, I like Ivan Sokolov's take, among many others.
― coco vide (pomenitul), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 12:36 (four years ago) link
fwiw (nothing as i don't vote in polls lol) a vote for anything also counts as a vote for 4'33", you just assume it's being performed somewhere poorly soundproofed with e.g. zimmerman's canto di sperenza bleeding thru the walls, to be officially part of the cage performance ("noises of your body" etc)
this is canon
― mark s, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 12:44 (four years ago) link
nothing as i don't vote in polls lol
C'mon mark, don't be such a hipster.
― coco vide (pomenitul), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 12:46 (four years ago) link
mark not voting is canon too iirc
― Hey, let me drunkenly animate yr boats in about 25 to 60 days! (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 12:48 (four years ago) link
Anyway Pom, huge thanks - again - for the recommendations!
Btw are you familiar with this book? Performing Pain: Music and Trauma in Eastern Europe Looks rad!
― Hey, let me drunkenly animate yr boats in about 25 to 60 days! (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 12:49 (four years ago) link
Agon Possibly my most listened-to Stravinsky piece
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 14:39 (four years ago) link
I've got reservations about Stravinsky but Agon is classic af.
― coco vide (pomenitul), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 14:43 (four years ago) link
It does indeed. Thanks for the tip.
― coco vide (pomenitul), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 14:58 (four years ago) link
why scelsi pom? I assume it's one of the things would especially benefit from a live hearing
I am no closer to working out what to vote for
― ogmor, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 21:34 (four years ago) link
Rundel's live recording on Mode is quite good, incidentally!
I'm a spectralist stan and hence sympathetic to proto-spectralism. I also worry that no one else will vote for it.
That said, at least ten other works could have won out depending on ineffable fluctuations.
― coco vide (pomenitul), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 21:40 (four years ago) link
My hopeless anglophilia doesn't always extend to this type of music so Lachrymae and those RVW symphonies are fresh to my ears. (Didn't even realise RVW was still composing this late!) It's all quite... luvly.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 22:05 (four years ago) link
I spent an inordinate amount of time with RVW's symphonies in February and have finally come to appreciate their worth, thanks to Haitink's cycle in particular. They're much less stereotypically 'English' than I used to believe, that is to say less reactionary – somewhat in line with Sibelius's own complicated position within 20th century music. I've always loved Britten's Lachrymae, however, especially his later arrangement for viola and string orchestra. Theme and variations in reverse, wherein the borrowed melody is revealed at the very end of the piece, is in fact one of my favourite structural tropes in classical music.
― coco vide (pomenitul), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 22:13 (four years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Thursday, 2 April 2020 00:01 (four years ago) link
Huh, I thought Shosty's 10th was going to walk this.
― Publius Covidius Naso (pomenitul), Thursday, 2 April 2020 00:02 (four years ago) link
Omg sorry Boulez
― Sund4r, Thursday, 2 April 2020 00:12 (four years ago) link
:(
I had no idea he'd need my help.
― Publius Covidius Naso (pomenitul), Thursday, 2 April 2020 00:13 (four years ago) link
D'oh, a long phone call prevented a last minute vote. Maybe imagine that Le Marteau sans maître or Quatre Études de rythm has a "1" against it rather than no votes.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 2 April 2020 00:21 (four years ago) link
Who voted for the Dallapiccola btw? I'm pleasantly surprised – I almost didn't include because I assumed no one would care.
― Publius Covidius Naso (pomenitul), Thursday, 2 April 2020 00:24 (four years ago) link
^Teacher and major influence on Brindle (who got my vote in the end).
― Sund4r, Thursday, 2 April 2020 03:44 (four years ago) link
D'oh, forgot to vote! Would've gone with Junglinge in the end...
― Hey, let me drunkenly animate yr boats in about 25 to 60 days! (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 2 April 2020 10:14 (four years ago) link
If anyone's interested, I wrote this about the Brindle piece some years ago, when I still wrote words outside message boards.
― Sund4r, Thursday, 2 April 2020 12:56 (four years ago) link
Only thing I ever published
Thanks, and bookmarked.
― Publius Covidius Naso (pomenitul), Thursday, 2 April 2020 13:10 (four years ago) link
An embarrassment of riches, split in twain:
Wherein We Elect Our Favourite Classical Compositions of… the 1960s – Part I (1960-1964)
― Publius Covidius Naso (pomenitul), Thursday, 2 April 2020 13:45 (four years ago) link
today i learned RVW was working on an opera on Thomas the Rhymer at the time of his death
feel pretty robbed tbh!
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 2 April 2020 13:58 (four years ago) link
Really really should have remembered to vote. For Marteau sans maitre.
― ascai, Thursday, 2 April 2020 14:49 (four years ago) link
I’ve just realised that Shostakovich 11 (Year 1905) was omitted even from the Hon mentions. Outrage. I was saving my Shosty vote for that. Harrumph.
― Jeff W, Thursday, 2 April 2020 15:32 (four years ago) link
Sorry, Shosty may well be my favourite composer on some days but I can’t stomach the 11th and the 12th. God knows I’ve tried.
― Publius Covidius Naso (pomenitul), Thursday, 2 April 2020 15:34 (four years ago) link
looove the first movement, can take or leave the rest
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 2 April 2020 15:34 (four years ago) link
i like the 12th
― ciderpress, Thursday, 2 April 2020 15:35 (four years ago) link
Haha, tbh, rereading my own old paper, I had to review what some of those set theory concepts were. :\
― Sund4r, Friday, 3 April 2020 04:31 (four years ago) link
I read as much as I conceivably could of your article, Sund4r, and it reminded me that I am but a rank amateur when it comes to this stuff! I know enough to grasp the overall premise, but your analysis is several magnitudes of complexity and insight beyond my meagre musicological – and mathematical – understanding.
― Publius Covidius Naso (pomenitul), Saturday, 4 April 2020 13:13 (four years ago) link
It was more technical/arcane than I remembered tbh. The math that you need to be able to read and apply pitch class set theory is mostly just arithmetic, though, really.
― Sund4r, Saturday, 4 April 2020 21:41 (four years ago) link