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Wynonnaa was getting miffed because Troy was having a big party

Yep, that's the routine. Troy acts like a goof, she looks slightly annoyed, cocks her eyebrows, makes a face or says something very vaguely
put down. It's really watered down Sonny & Cher.

The entire concept of open call auditions for 20,000 must appeal to an American chump's 'egalitarian' sense. But with a record contract at stake it's only an illusion. Realistically, the only people that are going to get on TV are those already polished to the state of readymade.

No Ted Mack's Amateur Hour. Most of the contestants seem technically better than the people whose names you didn't know on "Hee-haw."

George 'the Animal' Steele, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 17:30 (twenty years ago)

xp:

eh, AMG seems to be saying that Dale Watson has mainly recorded for indies (Hightone, Audium, Koch), and just since the mid '90s, so no, probably no hits. (I was probably confusing those with Gene's, too.)

> It's really watered down Sonny & Cher.<

And wasn't Sonny & Cher mostly watered down Louis Prima and Keely Smith in the first place? At least that's the idea I've always had.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 17:38 (twenty years ago)

I don't know -- it always seemed to me my parents like the Sonny & Cher show for their mildly antagonistic comedy routine. The skits, what I remember of them, were often painful. I can see Cowboy Troy as the host of a variety show. Rich was annoying for most of the show. He had a rat-like whine when giving his opinion, even if it was a good one. That said, I liked B&R's performance just fine, except for the midget/dwarf/very small person with big head and that was off to the side so if you wanted to glance away you could.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 18:12 (twenty years ago)

But the most awkward moment for the midget/dwarf/very small person was when he conducted the exit interview with cast off Jewels (who did over emote on Montgomery Gentry's "Gone") and told her to "hit the bricks." Cold even for cold reality TV.

werner T., Wednesday, 15 March 2006 18:23 (twenty years ago)

yeah, something about a fucking dwarf tellin' you to hit the bricks...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 18:56 (twenty years ago)

Yeah,or when you see this one-eyed midget shouting the word "NOW". and you very reasonably ask, "For what reason?" (Although that may indicate English is your second language, you gotta right.) And he says, "How?" and of course you say, "What does this mean?" And he scream back, "You're a COOOWWW, GIVE ME SOME MILK OR ELSE GO HOME." I hate it when that happens. But she'll probably outlive the little turd. Speaking of short people, also worth checking is the Rhino two-disc reissue of Good Ol' Boys, with the demo album Johnny Cutler's Birthday, which was the origin of several songs that made it onto Boys, and has a bunch of others. Johhny's an early 70s B'ham bluecollar workadaddy who lives in those apartments up under the rusty balls of the statue of Vulcan, on Red Mountain. I knew that neighborhood too well back then; how does Ran' know? Disconcerting. also re Ran' there's this: http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0404/allred2.php
As for Earle's and other transgressive transmissions in the country, see "That Home Across The Road":
http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com/2004_06_01_thefreelancementalists_archive.html (you might have to scroll past some other goodies by Haiku Boy and me, but that's okay. Great to hear that Stoney did make it to CD thanks)

don, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 20:46 (twenty years ago)

Cowboy Troy guested on WWE Raw this week, in what I guess was some cross-promotional exercise. He didn't wrestle. It occurs to me that Big & Rich would be a perfectly good name for a tag team - it could have been used when The Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiase hired 7'4 Andre The Giant, actually.

Thank you, Don! I think there are all kinds of other reasons why the reunited Green and Mitchell didn't work like the old days. Even if they'd had the old musicians (many are still available - I saw them playing together last year), they would still not have come up with a record to match any of Al Green's '70s Hi albums.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 20:48 (twenty years ago)

black sage, *jack's corner*, cdbaby self-release (came out way back in 1998 apparently) somewhere between alt- and pop- country from tustin, california (which i'm guessing might be out in the desert somewhere since the desert's frequently in the lyrics); actually, they emphasize on the cdbaby page how DANCEABLE they are, which i can totally see, so maybe "dance-country" would make the most sense. singer Kathy Ochiai (raised on Linda Ronstadt, the Eagles, and Bonnie Rait, cdbaby says) seems like a real sweetie, and no wallflower when singing, but also far from a professional belter. She sings about marriage a lot: there's a wedding waltz (in fact i think they call it one on the webpage) called "til death do us part" (only track where a guy also sings, I think) followed immediately by a really loveable soft bawdy blues about how it's okay for married women to look at and flirt with other guys (a couple of whom are presented as being traditionally hot/handsome, but one of whom is "pleasingly plump" and losing his hair, yet apparently attractive regardless - how often do you hear songs about THAT, in ANY genre?), at work or at the "tri-city mall" or at a dinner party where Mister Pib is served. And there's another song about an office flirtation and/or romance later, where the boss reads their email, which rhymes with female, and the principle characters meet by the water cooler. And the singer's sister surfs the Internet in the song about going going to the county fair, which uses "Indian Outlaw"/"Indian Reservation" style tom-toms and bellydance/snakecharmer guitar lines but has no questionable lines about either American Indians nor Indian ones, so I guess they just line the sounds, cool! And the opener is also a total flirt, with Kathy telling a guy all the places she'll meet up with him and go skinnydipping and stuff. So: Sexy! And "Jack's Corner" is even more an advertising jingle for a (real or imaginary) smalltown corner bar/restaruant than the Kentucky Headhunters singing let's go down to Dumas Walker's, and later there's a song about a waitress named Oleander at a different restaurant who's poison because she doesn't want love and just needs guys to quench her thirst out there in the desert. And what else? Oh yeah, a traditonally droning folk song (just about the only non-upbeat song on the record) about pregnancy, birth, and early death, but Kathy doesn't SING it like a gloomy folk schoolmarm; she brings it to life despite its drone. And the closer is, well, at first I thought "Tex-Mex polka," but then the words turned French so maybe it's more cajun or zydeco instead, I dunno. Catchy record, and very homemade in that there's something simple, even awkward, about so many of the melodies (Kathy seems more sure of herself as a singer and songwriter than as a tunesmith, though sometimes the words don't even rhyme when you expect to; in fact, she says on the cdbaby page that she wrote the songs for "a virtuoso country singer" who never got around to recording them, so her husband encouraged her to record them herself), but that doesn't really make the record any less endearing, as far as I'm concerned.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 21:15 (twenty years ago)

A few typos in there (line = like, etc), sorry.

More explanation from the cdbaby page: "'Jack's Corner' is named after a tiny bar surrounded by sage-covered cattle grazing land that has survived the local development of southern California. Although you may work amongst the traffic and congestion of the city, you can drive for about a half an hour down a beautiful country road and come to this very special place where you can dance the night away."

And it occurs to me that lots of the CD takes place in SUBURBIA, really. So I may well be wrong about the desert, who knows. (Also, as anybody who has seen my second book might realize, I totally have a soft spot for Working-Woman Rock).

xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 21:21 (twenty years ago)

I know people who live in desert suburbs, incl Cali (& AZ & TX)It's getting drier out there (out here too), critters coming further into town, somebody should do a song about that, probably have. Lots of burbs seem like deserts, one way or another. (Gosh that's not very cheerful. I like night skies over the desert.)

don, Thursday, 16 March 2006 00:19 (twenty years ago)

Ha, so Kathy Ochiai emailed me, asking me what I thought of Black Sage's CD, and when I told her, she said that her and her husband's 20th wedding anniversary was yesterday. What a weird coincidence! (BTW: Frank, Don, and Edd, I sent you all extra copies of the CD.)

I'm pretty much done with the Randy Newman tribute, I think. Starting to think the Restless Kelly/Joe Ely cut isn't quite as great as I say above, and the Earle cut not quite as horrible. (I'm not sure I was right about the stress he gives the n-word, either.)Duhks' "Political Science" is kinda cool, a nice Dixieland-style move for them, and funniest when they drop the bomb on their sweet home Canada of course.

xhuxk, Thursday, 16 March 2006 13:59 (twenty years ago)

from US Charts thread, interesting:

New in the 50: Most intriguing one, though perhaps mainly from a British perspective, is Rascal Flatts at #49 with 'What Hurts The Most', the song that ex-S Club lead singer Jo O'Meara attempted to launch her solo career in the UK with last year. Over here, it peaked at #13 then vanished without trace. Its American progress may be slightly more successful, you'd reckon...

-- William Bloody Swygart (thingummy9...), March 16th, 2006.

xhuxk, Thursday, 16 March 2006 15:05 (twenty years ago)

So, speaking of music about deserts, what do people think of Alejandro Escovedo? I'm five songs into his new one, and drawing a blank. Once in a while the guitars will bunch up for dramatic effect, I guess. Mostly it sounds like "mood music to go onto a soundtrack of a romantic indie movie about the desert." Hard to imagine what *purpose* it would serve, beyond a movie soundtrack. The first song, "Arizona," seemed best at this -- sort of like Stan Ridgeway with a less interesting (which maybe just means less off-key) voice, or something. Second song had new wave production touches. But now I'm getting bored. (Do people think of Alejandro as a songwriter? I was under the impression they did, but if so, I'm not hearing why.) (Though as a desert soundtrack, I guess this beats the new Calexico.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 16 March 2006 17:32 (twenty years ago)

I saw a presentation of his musical, In The Name Of The Father, I think it was called, on Austin City Limits. About his own father's early experiences in Mexico and America. Good, but of course a bunch of people were involved, I don't know how a whole album of him in the spotlight would be.Kind of a thin voice, yeah. Anybody heard Rabbit Fur Coat, by Jenny Lewis with the Watson Twins? Ken Tucker reviewed it on Fresh Air, and played some excerpts, which were very appealing, moreso than what I've heard of Rilo Kiley, although I haven't heard a whole album of them either. Brooding, wry, spry, poignant enough. (kind of a Girl Group effect,to some extent, though not retro-literalist about it.)Seems like might fit with Amy Rigby, although Jenny might possibly be a better singer (tho' these were just excerpts) lkg fwd to Kathy & co.xhx thx

don, Thursday, 16 March 2006 19:47 (twenty years ago)

What's the consensus on Tim McGraw's cover of "When the Stars Go Blue"? That was my favorite from Ryan Adams's Gold album and I'm curious to know if he did anything interesting with it. (I didn't think the Coors/Bono version was an improvement, fwiw.) For years I thought Tim was nothing but eye candy but his tastes in covers have started to pique my interest.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 16 March 2006 20:34 (twenty years ago)

creepiest cdbaby page i've seen (and no, i'm not gonna listen to the thing, are you nuts?)

http://cdbaby_com/cd/j0hnnyrebel [not real link -- mods]

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 02:25 (twenty years ago)

And I wasn't aware of these; has anybody heard Shania's alleged late '80s rock stuff?:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/shaniatwain2

http://cdbaby.com/cd/shaniatwain

I had a copy of one a mid '90s pre-stardom CD by her once, but wasn't very impressed.

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 02:30 (twenty years ago)

(not really sure why I posted that johnny rebel link...just shocked by it, i guess. i know cdbaby pages are self-posted, but I would've thought the site would have some kind of weeding or monitoring process that would draw the line at the KKK, but I guess not.)

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 02:48 (twenty years ago)

(and looks like there are at least 2 MORE cdbaby CDs collecting those paul sabu-produced shania sessions - four CDs total, four different covers. i bet some people collect them all!)

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 02:51 (twenty years ago)

So, speaking of music about deserts, what do people think of Alejandro Escovedo? I'm five songs into his new one, and drawing a blank. Once in a while the guitars will bunch up for dramatic effect, I guess. Mostly it sounds like "mood music to go onto a soundtrack of a romantic indie movie about the desert." Hard to imagine what *purpose* it would serve, beyond a movie soundtrack. The first song, "Arizona," seemed best at this -- sort of like Stan Ridgeway with a less interesting (which maybe just means less off-key) voice, or something. Second song had new wave production touches. But now I'm getting bored. (Do people think of Alejandro as a songwriter? I was under the impression they did, but if so, I'm not hearing why.) (Though as a desert soundtrack, I guess this beats the new Calexico.)
-- xhuxk (xedd...), March 16th, 2006.

I have not heard it yet, but isn't this new one produced by John Cale? Alejandro has always proclaimed his love for slow-tempoed Velvets and Mott the Hoople songs, and he crossed that with a bit of country and Mexican sounds to create that atmospheric minor chord approach of his.
One of his recent cds was produced by Chris Stamey I think, who pushed/encouraged Alejandro into writing an upbeat pop # or 2. I have always liked him live, but the last time I saw him(with several cello players, a violinist and more)I had the impression that his songwriting had gotten into a rut. But I was just glad to see him alive frankly, as he had been in the hospital suffering from hepatitis c and other ailments. He was sitting down for the whole show.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Friday, 17 March 2006 14:52 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Cale produced it. But I'm guessing, from the sound and from what you say, that Alejandro must be one of those guys who bizarrely believes that the Velvets (and Mott?!) were polite parlor-room chamber musicians rather than bands who knew how to rock and roll. Too bad. (I never liked the Cowboy Junkies or Galaxie 500, either, though, so what do I know?)

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 15:05 (twenty years ago)

I am glad to hear he's beating the Hep C, though. Sad to hear, but good for him.

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 15:07 (twenty years ago)

Alejandro has done noisy Stooges and Ramones covers for years as encores, and always talks fondly about his memories seeing such groups. Remember, now 50 something Alejandro was in the San Fran 70s punk band the Nuns before he went the roots and alt-country route. He knows how to rock, he just chooses not to. I wish he'd mix it up and do a little of both.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Friday, 17 March 2006 15:24 (twenty years ago)

Might be good to get that J R link deleted, before some of his fangoons show up. Wasn't Alejandro also in Rank And File for a while? And he was in the loud True Believers (three guitars, I think). Started early, maybe he just got louded out, by the time he became an Austin icon of chamber alt (ND's Artist Of The Decade). Kid brother of Santana's Coke Escovedo,and they're uncles of Sheila E.

don, Friday, 17 March 2006 21:02 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, good point about JR link Don; I just made a moderator request to delete it. (And if any mods see this, please do so, thanks.)

My review of my favorite current band featuring an Escovedo is here:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0344,eddy,48162,22.html

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 21:14 (twenty years ago)

yeah, something about a fucking dwarf tellin' you to hit the bricks...

Yeah, it was piling on. Unsportsmanlike conduct, personal foul, fifteen yards and ejection from game. Jewels was left for last, which is hard, you could see it coming with the judges who were having a hard time distinguishing between the polish, so the last person up gets dinged for overcooking it somewhat in front of the TV audience.

Cowboy Troy would be good in a redo of that abominable Chuck Norris series about two Texas marshalls who administer savage beatings to a few people -- er, varmints -- every episode. Troy would be great for the sidekind, better than the original sidekick. He's bigger for one, and he could unsling his belt and use it as a lash, bonking people -- er, varmints, in the head with the giant oval belt buckle.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Friday, 17 March 2006 21:21 (twenty years ago)

Ok, I took one for the team and listened to Johnny Rebel. Like it sez, the "band" plays swampbilly. Sort of old timey as in 50's - 60's but pro sounding, like Coe's Penitentiary Blues in tone. "Looking for a Handout" is probably the least offensive. By themselves, ignoring the lyrics, the tunes are catchy. Hard to tell if it sold like hotcakes as claimed. Interesting to see the claim made as segregationist music, not in an art or political sense, but for a buck because it was what they could sell.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Friday, 17 March 2006 21:40 (twenty years ago)

Okay, not trying to be impatient, but shouldn't that Johnny Rebel link be gone by now if the moderators told me hours ago on their forum they were taking care of it? Weird.

Anyway. Johanna Stahley's *I'm Not Perfect* (she's from NYC, I think) is a better Sheryl Crow album than the last Sheryl Crow album. Sounds more like when Sheryl liked beats, back in her "Leaving Las Vegas" days. First song is called "My Big O (I Can)," and, judging from the album cover photo, may well be about the singer's Big O and the achieving of it thereof. Also, she imitates Steve Tyler in it. Another highlight is the one where Johanna falls for a bartender. And even the songs with sorta dreary words don't sound like they do.

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 01:21 (twenty years ago)

Some sites sell Coe's (self-) bootleg of x-rated material, which seems to be mostly sex, judging by the lyrics I've read, though there's one about interracial sex, which uses the n-word, and a subset of these sites also sell J*@## R#$%^& and other stuff, which they like to imply is Coe too, but he vehemently denies it on his own site. (No free links for him either, since he also may have done more n-word-ploitation, according to some reports.)(Didn't try to deal with this in the ancient Voice piece, xxhuxx, because I had even less firsthand knowledge then than now). And has been quoted (On fanboards) as denouncing racism in concert. (Though I think he may've been doing something else in a local show, something more ambiguous, at least,in his proto-Slim Shady devious way, back in the late 90s, cos we had people coming into the store the day after, looking for "that song," though they wouldn't quite say which one; just hopin' I'd know, yknow justbetweenus). Nick Tosches' book Country discusses some of the (J&**^ R**&^%) type of stuff.

don, Saturday, 18 March 2006 02:13 (twenty years ago)

xp! (I typed this before seeing Don's post):

>pro sounding, like Coe's Penitentiary Blues in tone<

Interesting. This reminded me of some redneck asshole when I was in the Army who had what he claimed to be an underground racist "joke" LP by Coe (who I believe *did* use the "n"-word in one of his country hits, as some sort of stupid pun), but in searching on line, this website claims some such records attributed to Coe may have *been* Johnny Rebel:

http://www.answers.com/topic/david-allan-coe

Other websites say there were a couple such "X-rated" Coe albums sold under the name Mysterious Rhinestone Cowboy, exclusively to bikers via *Easy Riders* magazine, and at least one of the song titles sounds explicitly racist, so who knows? (I'm guessing the persona was Coe's equivalent of Clarence Reid's Blowfly? No idea how seriously he took it.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 02:34 (twenty years ago)

(My google-proofing instincts aren't what Don's are, apparently. If somebody wants to camouflage JR's name, I've got no qualms. I never heard of the guy til yesterday; had no idea he was such a known entity beyond his cdbaby page)

The actual Coe hit with n-word I'm referring to is "If That Ain't Country": "working like a n***** for my room and board" (not a pun, I guess; I'd remembered it wrong.)

What makes Johanna Stanley's CD so boppy, I figured out, is how her bassist and drummer play full-on late '60s bubblegum soul beats in three straight songs in the middle -- "The Bartender Song," "What You're Doing," and "Misery," the latter of which doesn't sound miserable at all. Tapdancey alley-cat rhythm of "I'm Not Perfect" (a Rickie Lee or Norah Jones move?) and George Michael Diddleybeats of "Nothing I Would Change" are nice, too.

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 02:58 (twenty years ago)

i used to have a boot of coe singing the line working like a nigger for my room and board--and it always made me a little sick.

i think that for a variety of reasons (research, vehement anti censorship, free speech, the only thing that kills mould is sunshine, historical value) that johnny rebel should be availble, and that it was wrong to ask cd baby to take it down. though i am often a hypocrite about this, and sometimes my analysis and yellign seems like a calling for censorship, and i most lilkely feel worse about other words

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 18 March 2006 03:09 (twenty years ago)

Who asked Cdbaby to take it down? I'm just surprised they didn't remove it on their own. (And of course it'd only be "censorship" if a law was passed demanding they take it down. Which I would oppose.) (Though not as much as I'd oppose a law telling them to take down the sundry r&b records for toe fetishists and goth records for s&m fetishists I've seen on there.) (Maybe Anthony misunderstood my remark about the moderators? I was referring to the ILX moderators; Don suggested the J.R. link be removed from *this thread.* Which I agree with; in fact, if you look above, I was regretting posting it mere seconds after I did.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 03:20 (twenty years ago)

No, we weren't asking cdbaby to take it down. The "working like" line has never seemed gratuitous to (old white Southern) me, because it(cunningly, re xpost ambiguShadyploitation) fits the context of declaring his redneck credentials, and adds to them: not only cause of using the word, but because rednecks were given to understand that they weren't *quite* as exploited as the lowest caste/class was, or so they were spozed to think (and thank G-d for). But in practice, they (at least the lowest, White Trash, sub-Salt Of The Earth) shade of red might well find his or herself working like that. (Coe presents his family as being pretty no-class, in that song, some live renditions of which are epics of bad tooth, if-you-don't-got-it-flaunt-it selfloitation that preempt almost everything except maybe Larry The Cable Guy in Vegas, Ah suspect.)(when LTCG's not doing Family Entertainment on the Blue Collar Comedy Tour). By the way, I spell out "redneck" not because of reverse discrimination, but because it seems (somewhut)less likely to be googled by trolls than the other one. I hope so, anyway.

don, Saturday, 18 March 2006 04:44 (twenty years ago)

The URL was either altered or you posted it including an error, xhuxk. What is in the message is www.cdbaby_com/cd/johnnyrebel and that's the equiv of a nothing address. It looks altered by mod so anyone can see it and correct it to get to the page, which is what I did, with no fear of attracting trackbacks.

Anyway, the guy's voice in "Looking for a Handout" resembled David Allen Coe's.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Saturday, 18 March 2006 05:28 (twenty years ago)

And may be his, no matter what he said later (he says and does allkinsa)

don, Saturday, 18 March 2006 05:52 (twenty years ago)

Not that his singing isn't pretty easy to imitate (even I can do it, to an extent).

don, Saturday, 18 March 2006 06:04 (twenty years ago)

apologies, misunderstood.

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 18 March 2006 06:52 (twenty years ago)

Coincidentally, there is a current radio show from the white power
organization, National Vanguard, that deals with this. Like it or not, across the net Coe is tied to Johnny Rebel, through a combination of denials, assertions that he did do some of this music, all coupled with an examination of some of his letter choons, so noted by xhuck. Wiki's biographical entry includes it. You can read the rest of the article by cutting and pasting the thing into your locator bar. The voice on the second tune cited again sounds, perhaps vaguely, like Coe.

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During America's sharp decline in the 1960s, there were a few bands that tried to compose some patriotic and pro-White music. I heard a few of these songs and they are really just god awful. The only pro-White music of any quality to come out of the 1960s and early 1970s, was with some American Country music, which has been lumped together to be called "Johnny Rebel." There were many different musicians touring the Southern honky tonks, playing these Johnny Rebel songs. There was one rather famous country singer that is rumored to have written most of the really popular of these songs, such as "Coon Town" and "Move those Niggers North," but if true, he wants to keep his identity private. There was even George Lincoln Rockwell who made an attempt at pro-White music with the band "Otis and the Three Bigots." Otis and his Bigots meant well, but the music was bad.


There were no mainstream record labels that would touch these songs, so they had no ability to become heard, let along rise in popularity. There was one famous Country music singer named David Allen Coe who used the word "Nigger" openly in a song in the 1970s. This song can still be heard in maybe 1,000 jukeboxes currently across America in small bars and restaurants. This song is "If that ain't Country." David Allen Coe also wrote another song that his mainstream record label refused to release. The name of this song says it all: "White Girl and a Nigger."

natvan.com/adv/2006/03-04-06.html

George 'the Animal' Steele, Saturday, 18 March 2006 16:23 (twenty years ago)

From metal thread; nothing about this guy is really country per se except the way he looks and sounds could EASILY appeal to Tim McGraw and Shooter Jennings fans respectively. (And also, Gretchen Wilson ably fills the Alison Moerer/Sheryl Crow role in "Picture" on the quite entertaining new live album by Kid Rock, who Huck is connected to, apparently):

>Also top of the playlist this weekend: Huck Johns, Detroit transplant to LA who google seems to suggest turned down a Velvet Revolver opening slot at least once. Looks like Tim McGraw to me, though I'm guessing he gave a lot more thought to picking his truckers hat and those Fleetwood Mac and Muddy Waters albums on the couch on the CD's back cover than Tim might give to more apparel choices. I won't hold that against him though. Album very much rocks, even the grunge parts, but especially maybe the tributes to "Highway to Hell" and ELO's "Turn to Stone", and the Seger "Ramblin Gamblin Man" cover and maybe more. (Which reminds me I need to get back to that live Kid Rock album soon too.) (Pretty funny too that Huck's Capitol Records subsidiary is called Hideout, same name as Seger and the Last Heard's label from Persecution Smith/East Side Story/Heavy Music daze.)
-- xhuxk (xedd...), March 18th, 2006.

Huck Johns is sounding better and better. Turns out he's apparently from Lincoln Park, MI, and wrote a song for Kid Rock once, though I didn't know that when I put them in the same paragraph up above. Album is basically mostly '70s Ford assembly line singer-songwriter hard rock; the "grunge" I refer to above has to do with ballads that remind me somehow of Stone Temple Pilots, one of one which, "One Good Man" (which I guess doesn't remind *that* much of STP) may have a possible gay undercurrent, given that Huck's searching for one good man in it. In his liner notes Huck thanks not only eternal Detroit AOR station WRIF and Seger but also Johnny "Bee" Badanjek of Rockets/Ryder fame, and the producer is one Arthur Pennhallow Jr--interesting, since I swear I remember a guy named Arthur Penhallow being a longtime DJ on late '70s/early '80s Detroit rock stations. So now I'm wondering if Huck's some kind of local Michigan hit. Weird that the CD's on Capitol, given that it seems to have way more in common to what you'd find via cdbaby.
-- xhuxk (xedd...), March 18th, 2006.

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 17:30 (twenty years ago)

Huck Johns' influences from his myspace page. Frankie Miller and Ted too, hmmm.

Bon Scott, MC5, Bob Seger, AC-DC, Chris Cornell, STP, Rolling Stones, CCR, Pink Floyd, J. Geils, Ted Nugent, Frankie Miller, Faces, Otis Redding, Iggy, Foo Fighters, Pearl Jam, Johnny Cash, Merle, Waylon, Willie

Sounds like I might even like it. If there's a pr e-mail or contact, send it my way so I can make a request.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Saturday, 18 March 2006 17:48 (twenty years ago)

That info would be at work, George. I'll check on Monday, though.

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 17:55 (twenty years ago)

Huck sounds like he's of the house and lineage of Akron-born, Grand-Funk-touring-with late 60s Coe. Were there other such back then? I'll have to dig up my early Creems, but the closest I can remember is a folksinger with attitude, not a country singer: Jonathan Round, who is decribed, in Rock-a-Rama, as doing a mock-Shakespearean "Sympathy For The Devil." (Before Bryan Ferry did his Tiny Tim Karloff version, and while the Stones were usually taken very seriously elsewhere in those pages.) And the reviewer say, "Aww whattya expect from a DEETROIT folksinger?" Made it look pretty good, but I never found it.

don, Saturday, 18 March 2006 19:44 (twenty years ago)

re "on Capitol, but seems more like what you'd find on cdbaby": isn't Tea Leaf Green on cdbaby? But, despite being credited to "Greenhouse Music under exclusive license to Reincarnate Music" also says "manufactured in the USA by SONY BMG MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT (st address) under exclusive license from Reincarnate Music." so what still possibly passes for the Majors, infiltrating the indie frontier? Bet Tea Leaf Green hasn't seen any big bucks from Sony yet. Strange album. My opinion still hasn't firmed up yet, but the auteur, Trevor Gerrard, seems like he's got his own (lived)version of the riddling spiritual-emotional crisis-quest of Hunter-Garcia.(Singing kinda Garcia-Furay, which shouldn't suit my tastes at all, but somehow it kinda does.) But he isn't a guitarist, which might help the vocal, cos keeps resemblence from being the usual jamband-begging-and-faring-badly-by-close-comparison. (Plus it's not really a jamband.) He plays piano, more like Chuck Leavell than the Dead's keybists. The whole thing is tied to (and kept in line by)his electric piano: as aural metaphor/setting (sparkling waters! Stream, creek, sometimes river) for the early songs about struggling/sticking with his roots/insularity, or venturing forth. So he does both. the piano also sets the overall rhythmic pace, so the other instruments tend to rustle, except the guitar[kinda Duane or Derek T. or Warren Haynes most of the time, though can be a bit like Dickie or Eric or yeah Tom V.] is maybe something in the sky, but over and through the backside of the trees. "5000 Acres" an interesting change of stylistic shading, cos the most Verlaine-ish, and it does deal with a forest fire, and suddenly reminds me of Patti Smith's Television profile in mid-70s Rock Scene (before they'd recorded, except as Neon Boys): she says that Tom and Hell started a forest fire in Alabama, just to watch it burn. (Perhaps inspired by Randy Newman's "Let's Burn Down The Cornfield" ["and make love while it's burning"]?)Plus, it's one of the few Tea Leaf Green lyrics that seems to acknowledge something happening in the present-day outdoors, that's not yet totally processed by Trevor's diffusion. I mean his methods (as bandleader-composer, dynamically, and making the guitarist seem like a hireling) get a bit too same-o, after a while, same as so many CDs. (LPs were shorter, so same-o couldn't spread so far, not as often as on CDs.) But I still listen, and maybe Trevor's programming me, we'll see.

don, Saturday, 18 March 2006 20:28 (twenty years ago)

from metal thread w/ typos fixed:

One caveat I gotta state about the Huck Jones album is that he probably does *too many* Stone Temple-style ballads. They're fine (less coagulated than STP's own early ballads were -- I'm talking STP in Pearl Jam not powerpop/glam mode here -- and, in Jones's "Forgiveness," almost more like a *Use Your Illusion* ballad done in a lower register), but they're really not the guy's best songs (so far I'm leaning toward lead cut/single "Oh Yeah," "Infatuation," ELO "Turn to Stone" rip "Kill Everything," and the Seger cover for those), and they seem too plentiful compared to his faster hard rock. Also STP's best songs weren't ballads anyway. But maybe a la Cargun, I'll decide Huck's aren't as grunge as they seem.

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 23:43 (twenty years ago)

This song can still be heard in maybe 1,000 jukeboxes currently across America in small bars and restaurants.

I'm betting Johnny Rebeltunes-type material is also popular in some enclaves of soCal. The LA Times went out and surveyed the white voters after the Bush victory, the counties that went for him which are in the interior deserts and such, also out to the Sierra's, and they sounded like Johnny Reb's. Mostly wanting to vote for Bush because they felt the Reps were better ready to do something about the 'illegals' and here's one quote paraphrased, 'cuz they carried/carry diseases and that's a threat to security. Same as 'Move them Niggers North," only 'Move Them Pickers South.'

George 'the Animal' Steele, Saturday, 18 March 2006 23:51 (twenty years ago)

"Pickers" sought out (if not brought here, or mailordered) by those Free Enterprisers who pay without taxes or Workmen's Comp to worry about, if indeed they end up paying los illegals at all. (What are they gonna do, complain to Uncle Sam?)Somehow such employers never seem to be the targets of such ire: if the pickers parade like crack-flaunting jailbait, right under the nose of Mr Businessman, what else can the rich man do? End of Editorial.Somebody should write a song. (Just now on the radio. Hazeldine's doing a female-sung, assertively folk-rocked "Whiskey In The Jarro": sounds like Thin Lizzy's, but kinda better)

don, Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:12 (twenty years ago)

Back from Austin and I'd just like to say The Mammals are more stomping live than you'd ever guess from their record.

And new Dixie Chicks single is streaming here:

http://music.msn.com/artist/?artist=16097852>1=7702

I dig. It's like the Chicks fronting the Hearbreakers. Oh wait, it basically is.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 20 March 2006 21:51 (twenty years ago)

Listening to this lo-fi New Zealand art-folk indie-rock album (EP?) by Pumice on Soft Abuse (which is very very pretty and I like a lot), I'm realizing that some Flying Nun-style New Zealand stuff is sort of country in the way the Mekons circa 1980 (*Devils Rats and Piggies* era; very early but not *extremely* early in their career) were sort of country. Frank wrote once (in *Why Music Sucks* I think) that New Zealanders did prettier things with Velvet Underground music than anybody (except maybe the occasional Clevelander), but I hear as much country Mekons here as Velvets. My favorite song is "Worsted," I think.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 12:01 (twenty years ago)

at risk of offending someone mightily, and im not sure who, i got rough shop's new album in the mail today, and though the ocver art is amazing, its kind of dull in that rough shod earnest indie way...

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 13:41 (twenty years ago)


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