i know the whole top ten save for the Herbie Hancock ones which I've never quite managed to get the hang of, plus most of the top twenty.
I think it's cos KoB is so canon, and for so many other albums to place above it, well that's pure ILM isn't it? Years ago when I first was getting into jazz I dismissed KoB as 'kinda safe', a bit mellow and not as bombastic and out there as the stuff that was really turning my head, but it's now the jazz album I reach to by default and discover something new about each time I hear it.
― doorstep jetski (dog latin), Monday, 2 March 2020 16:47 (four years ago) link
Canon records are kinda like this, aren't they?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Gartner_Hype_Cycle.svg/1280px-Gartner_Hype_Cycle.svg.png
― Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Monday, 2 March 2020 19:53 (four years ago) link
Amazing that Kind Of Blue got beaten out by so many others
yeah, amazing and wrong
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 2 March 2020 20:04 (four years ago) link
It’s probably my favorite jazz album. I mean, come on.
― brimstead, Monday, 2 March 2020 20:05 (four years ago) link
i will never ever ever get tired of kind of blue or stop hearing new things in it
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 2 March 2020 20:06 (four years ago) link
I also love how I can put it on and listen to it all the way through, which is more than I can say for a lot of classic jazz albums. it's short, interesting, melodic and lays off the skronkiness that I have to be in the mood for. Out To Lunch is a really exciting listen but I really have to be in the mood to bear through the whole thing. surprised Ah Um didn't place a lot higher either.
― doorstep jetski (dog latin), Monday, 2 March 2020 20:35 (four years ago) link
this is an excellent list of albums but very ILMish (that's one reason it seems excellent to me; jazz threads have influenced my listening for a long time) ... it's interesting to think about what kinds of jazz may have been under-represented or showed up infrequently or TOO LOW
off the top of my head:
-- early artists like Armstrong, Bechet, Ellington, Django, etc. (probably because their most innovative work was pre-LP-era)-- swing / big bands (similar reasons)-- cool / West Coast-- European jazz, specifically ECM albums-- pretty much anything post-1970s
I'm not complaining, just wondering what someone might miss if they were trying to learn about jazz from this list
― Brad C., Monday, 2 March 2020 21:00 (four years ago) link
I'm sure if you asked deej nicely he would happily tell you, lol
― Oor Neechy, Monday, 2 March 2020 21:11 (four years ago) link
deej was right 2020
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 2 March 2020 21:12 (four years ago) link
Brad C, I dont actually know the answer to your question (It was I who ran the poll btw) but I think a lot of voters, including myself, came from a rock background (even though I started listening to jazz 25+ years ago) and also probably via the canon , which is definitely weighted towards the classic Blue Note era.
I also knew pretty much fuck all about jazz post 1980 I have to say whereas the ilm jazzbos did and possibly they just got outnumbered?
As for the traditional greats mentioned they simply existed before the album era so unfortunately they would get ignored so we decided to make it post 1945 albums poll.
However Tuomas did say at the tome he would do a pre-war jazz tracks poll but it never happened but he did say last year he was still up for it so maybe he can do it this year?
― Oor Neechy, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 00:25 (four years ago) link
my question is kind of silly because it wasn't the purpose of the poll to represent all phases of jazz history, just to pick favorite jazz albums, and the results were fantastic; I don't see any albums in the list I wouldn't enjoy hearing again
I'd be glad to see a pre-war jazz tracks poll, but I'd have a tough time compiling a ballot that wasn't just the usual suspects ... I doubt there are enough moldy figs lurking on ILM to really do this era justice
― Brad C., Tuesday, 3 March 2020 04:30 (four years ago) link
The entire top 20 came out between 1957 and 1973, so there's a fairly specific idea of jazz dominating the list. I'd love a post-1990 poll.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 04:57 (four years ago) link
(Not to gainsay any of that top 20. It's a great list.)
Has anybody mentioned - or seen - the recently PBS Miles David documentary?
― Something Super Stupid Cupid (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 05:02 (four years ago) link
I saw it. I didn't like it. Some of the early stuff was interesting, but it basically fast-forwarded from 1969 to his death, and (a major crime in my book) the 1973-75 band that made Dark Magus, Agharta and Pangaea was completely omitted. Also, the idea to have some actor read passages from Davis's autobiography in a really corny laryngitis voice should have been dumped at the first concept meeting.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 12:34 (four years ago) link
Yeah, over the weekend. Pretty meh. Too much territory to cover in 110 minutes so it's just shallow, shallow. And PBS bleeps the cusswords. -- xp
― Miami weisse (WmC), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 12:35 (four years ago) link
I wish they'd done it in two parts like HBO's Sinatra documentary - two hours to cover 1945-1968, and two hours for 1969-1991.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 12:51 (four years ago) link
Big ol' bunch of bullshit.
― Stanley Crouch, Friday, 31 July 2020 16:01 (four years ago) link
lol hi stanley
it's hard to picture coltrane allowing a release with a title and cover as on the nose as this
1. what does this mean 2. "om" was a posthumous release
― budo jeru, Friday, 31 July 2020 16:07 (four years ago) link
(many xps to man alive)
this bit from a Shirley Collins interview reminded me of this thread:
When I read your autobiography, you said that you didn’t like jazz when Ashley Hutchings played it for you. I have to ask what about it you dislike, if you’re okay with that. Well it just makes me fidget. I just feel so fidgety. I don’t like the way people look when they’re listening to jazz. I don’t like the way people look when they’re playing jazz. I don’t like the sound of it. I don’t like the tunelessness and the tonelessness, I can’t hear it. It just doesn’t make any impression on me at all, except to irritate me. And they wear silly hats. I know I wrote that in the book, because it’s true, I just don’t like it. I like boogie-woogie, I like Jimmy Yancey, and I love the blues, but then they go and spoil it by playing jazz (laughs). Nobody’s perfect.I can’t help it, you know? I’m sure a lot of people feel the same way about folk music, maybe it drives them nuts as well.
Well it just makes me fidget. I just feel so fidgety. I don’t like the way people look when they’re listening to jazz. I don’t like the way people look when they’re playing jazz. I don’t like the sound of it. I don’t like the tunelessness and the tonelessness, I can’t hear it. It just doesn’t make any impression on me at all, except to irritate me. And they wear silly hats. I know I wrote that in the book, because it’s true, I just don’t like it. I like boogie-woogie, I like Jimmy Yancey, and I love the blues, but then they go and spoil it by playing jazz (laughs). Nobody’s perfect.
I can’t help it, you know? I’m sure a lot of people feel the same way about folk music, maybe it drives them nuts as well.
― rob, Friday, 31 July 2020 17:12 (four years ago) link
meh
― Oor Neechy, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 22:30 (four years ago) link
Next time these will be the resultshttp://jazz100.sffjazz.com/top100.html
― Oor Neechy, Saturday, 26 September 2020 21:20 (three years ago) link
^^^ needs more swing imo.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 26 September 2020 21:22 (three years ago) link
hey pom looks like reddit ran their own jazz poll
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jazz/comments/8r3zcb/the_rjazz_top_100_album_results/
― Oor Neechy, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:04 (three years ago) link
Reddit Poll Results
With 80 Contributors nearly 2,000 votes and a total of 776 album submissions, it becomes clear that our musical preferences vary greatly. These are the top 100(ish) albums we were able to come together and agree on being something special.
-104. Takuya Kuroda - Rising Son (2014) 4 Votes
-103. We Like It Here - Snarky Puppy (2014) 4 Votes
-102. The Imagined Savior is Far Easier to Paint- Ambrose Akinmusire (2014) 4 Votes
-101. Nostalgia at Times Square - Charles Mingus (1993) 4 Votes
-100. Concierto - Jim Hall (1975) 4 Votes
-99. On the Corner - Miles Davis (1972) 4 Votes
-98. Science Fiction - Ornette Coleman (1972) 4 Votes
-97. Now He Sings, Now He Sobs - Chick Corea (1968) 4 Votes
-96. Machine Gun - Peter Brotzmann (1968) 4 Votes
-95. Speak Like a Child - Herbie Hancock (1968) 4 Votes
-94. Adam’s Apple - Wayne Shorter (1967) 4 Votes
-93. Unit Structures - Cecil Taylor (1966) 4 Votes
-92. Search for New Land - Lee Morgan (1966) 4 Votes
-91. A Charlie Brown Christmas - Vince Guaraldi (1965) 4 Votes
-90. Smokin’ at the Half Note - Wes Montgomery (1965) 4 Votes
-89. Mingus, Mingus, Mingus, Mingus, Mingus - Charles Mingus (1963) 4 Votes
-88. Caravan - Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers (1963) 4 Votes
-87. Tijuana Moods - Charles Mingus (1962) 4 Votes
-86. Live at the Village Vanguard - John Coltrane (1962) 4 Votes
-85. Free Jazz - Ornette Coleman (1961) 4 Votes
-84. This is Our Music - Ornette Coleman (1961) 4 Votes
-83. The Blanton Webster Band - Duke Ellington (Recorded 1940- 1942) 4 Votes
-82. Earfood - Roy Hargrove (2008) 5 Votes
-81. Scenery - Ryo Fukui (1976) 5 Votes
-80. Thrust - Herbie Hancock (1974) 5 Votes
-79. Mingus at Antibes - Charles Mingus (1974) 5 Votes
-78. Let My Children Hear Music - Charles Mingus (1972) 5 Votes
-77. Tribute to Jack Johnson - Miles Davis (1971) 5 Votes
-76. The Real McCoy - McCoy Tyner (1967) 5 Votes
-75. Straight, No Chaser - Thelonious Monk (1967) 5 Votes
-74. Spiritual Unity - Albert Ayler (1965) 5 Votes
-73. Coltrane’s Sound - John Coltrane (1964) 5 Votes
-72. Page One - Joe Henderson (1963) 5 Votes
-71. The Clown - Charles Mingus (1957) 5 Votes
-70. Super Sonic Jazz - Sun Ra (1957) 5 Votes
-69. Chet Baker Sings - Chet Baker (1954) 5 Votes
-68. We Insist! - Max Roach (1960) 5 Votes
-67. The Inner Mounting Flame - Mahavishnu Orchestra (1971) 6 Votes
-66. Ascension - John Coltrane (1966) 6 Votes
-65. Point of Departure - Andrew Hill (1964) 6 Votes
-64. Go! - Dexter Gordon (1962) 6 Votes
-63. Sonny Side Up - Dizzy Gillespie (1959) 6 Votes
-62. Ella and Louis - Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong (1956) 6 Votes
-61. Birth of the Cool - Miles Davis (Recorded 1949-1950) 6 Votes
-60. Hot Fives and Sevens - Louis Armstrong (1925-1928) 6 Votes
-59. The Awakening - Ahmad Jamal (1970) 7 Votes
-58. Miles Smiles - Miles Davis (1967) 7 Votes
-57. Idle Moments - Grant Green (1964) 7 Votes
-56. Money Jungle - Duke Ellington (1963) 7 Votes
-55. The Incredible Jazz Guitar of Wes Montgomery - Wes Montgomery (1960) 7 Votes
-54. Everybody Digs Bill Evans - Bill Evans (1959) 7 Votes
-53. Misterioso - Thelonious Monk (1958) 7 Votes
-52. Monk’s Music - Thelonious Monk (1957) 7 Votes
-51. Study in Brown - Clifford Brown (1955) 7 Votes
-50. The Quintet Live at Massey Hall - Dizzy Gillespie and Charlie Parker (1953) 7 Votes
-49. Lanquidity - Sun Ra (1978) 8 Votes
-48. Light as a Feather - Chick Corea (1973) 8 Votes
-47. Juju - Wayne Shorter (1965) 8 Votes
-46. Empyrean Isles - Herbie Hancock (1964) 8 Votes
-45. The Atomic Mr. Basie - Count Basie (1958) 8 Votes
-44. Jaco Pastorius - Jaco Pastorius (1976) 9 Votes
-43. Journey in Satchidananda - Alice Coltrane (1971) 9 Votes
-42. Free for All - Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers (1965) 9 Votes
-41. Duke Ellington and John Coltrane - Duke Ellington and John Coltrane (1963) 9 Votes
-40. The Bridge - Sonny Rollins (1962) 9 Votes
-39. The Blues and the Abstract Truth - Oliver Nelson (1961) 9 Votes
-38. Workin’/ Relaxin’/ Cookin’/ Steamin’ - Miles Davis (1956) 9 Votes
-37. Ellington at Newport 1956 - Duke Ellington (1956) 9 Votes
-36. The Epic - Kamasi Washington (2015) 10 Votes
-35. Song for my Father - Horace Silver (1965) 10 Votes
-34. The Sidewinder - Lee Morgan (1964) 10 Votes
-33. Undercurrent - Bill Evans and Jim Hall (1962) 10 Votes
-32. Sketches of Spain - Miles Davis (1960) 10 Votes
-31. Blues and Roots - Charles Mingus (1960) 10 Votes
-30. Portrait in Jazz - Bill Evans (1960) 10 Votes
-29. Heavy Weather - Weather Report (1977) 11 Votes
-28. Karma - Pharoah Sanders (1969) 11 Votes
-27. Getz/Gilberto - Stan Getz and Joao Gilberto (1964) 11 Votes
-26. The Complete Savoy and Dial Master Takes - Charlie Parker (1944-1948) 11 Votes
-25. 25. Milestones - Miles Davis (1958) 12 Votes
-24. Red Clay - Freddie Hubbard (1970) 12 Votes
-23. Monk's Dream - Thelonious Monk (1963) 12 Votes
-22. Soul Station - Hank Mobley (1960) 12 Votes
-21. Clifford Brown and Max Roach - Clifford Brown and Max Roach (1954) 12 Votes
-20. Speak No Evil - Wayne Shorter (1964) 14 Votes
-19. My Favorite Things - John Coltrane (1961) 15 Votes
-18. Brilliant Corners - Thelonious Monk (1957) 15 Votes
-17. Maiden Voyage - Herbie Hancock (1966) 16 Votes
-16. Somethin’ Else - Cannonball Adderley (1958) 16 Votes
-15. In a Silent Way - Miles Davis (1969) 17 Votes
-14. Saxophone Colossus - Sonny Rollins (1956) 17 Votes
-13. Out to Lunch - Eric Dolphy (1964) 19 Votes
-12. The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady - Charles Mingus (1963) 21 Votes
-11. The Shape of Jazz to Come - Ornette Coleman (1959) 21 Votes
-10. Moanin’ - Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers (1959) 23 Votes
-9. Blue Train - John Coltrane (1958) 23 Votes
-8. Sunday at the Village Vanguard/ Waltz for debby (1961) 24 Votes
-7. Time Out - Dave Brubeck (1959) 27 Votes
-6. Giant Steps - John Coltrane (1960) 29 Votes
-5. Bitches Brew - Miles Davis (1970) 32 Votes
-4. Head hunters - Herbie Hancock (1973) 34 Votes
-3. Ah Um - Charles Mingus (1959) 37 Votes
-2. A Love Supreme - John Coltrane (1965) 49 Votes
-1. Kind Of Blue - Miles Davis (1959) 49 Votes
― Oor Neechy, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:05 (three years ago) link
Heh, that's not as bad as I expected.
Why does Conference of the Birds never turn up in these lists? Or maybe it does and I just haven't been paying attention. Anyway, I love the shit out of that album.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:06 (three years ago) link
reposting the ILM 250 just so its easier to find and noone mistakes the reddit results
Recap 250-1
250 Thelonious Monk - Criss Cross (1963) 359 4249 Herbie Hancock - Blow-Up (1966) 364 3248 gil evans - out of the cool (1960) 365 3247 Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street (1956) 367 3246 Charles Mingus - Blues And Roots (1959) 369 4245 Sun Ra - Strange Strings (1966) 373 4243(tie)Sonny Sharrock - Guitar (1986) 376 2243(tie)243 Milford Graves - Babi (1977) 376 2242 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Message To Our Folks (1969) 377 3240(tie)Peter Brötzmann - Nipples (1969) 377 4240(tie)Elvin Jones - Dear John C. (1965) 377 4239 Roland Kirk - Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata (1971) 380 2238 Sun Ra - Other Planes of There (1966) 381 3237 John Coltrane - Live at Birdland (1963) 384 4236 Herbie Hancock - Thrust (1974) 386 3235 Les McCann & Eddie Harris - Swiss Movement (1969) 387 3234 Derek Bailey - Ballads (2002) 387 5233 Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite (1960) 394 4232 Roland Kirk - Blacknuss 398 (1972) 4231 Sun Ra - The Nubians Of Plutonia (1966) 402230 Bill Evans & Jim Hall - Undercurrent (1963) 412 4229 Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco (1970) 413 3228 Miles Davis - Miles Davis Quartet (1954) 415 4227 Marion Brown Quartet - Marion Brown Quartet (19670 415 5226 Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants (1954-56) 417 4225 Grant Green - Street Of Dreams (1964) 422 4224 Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar (1960) 431 4223 Archie Shepp - Yasmina, a black woman (1969) 432 4222 Eric Dolphy - Iron Man (1963) 436 4221 Ornette Coleman - Ornette! (1961) 436 5220 Bill Evans - Portrait In Jazz (1959) 440 3219 McCoy Tyner - Song of the New World (1973) 453 Points, 4 votes218 Baby Face Willette - Stop And Listen (1961) 457 (Points) 5 votes217 Pharoah Sanders - Summun Bukmun Umyun (1970) 458 Points, 5 votes216 Sun Ra - Lanquidity (1978) 460 Points, 3 votes215 Albert Ayler - Love Cry (1967) 461 Points, 6 votes214 Antonio Carlos Jobim - Stone Flower (1970) 465 Points, 3 votes213 Nina Simone - At Town Hall (1959) 470 Points, 4 votes212 Bobbi Humphrey - Blacks and Blues (1974) 473 Points, 6 Votes211 Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs (1970) 474 Points, 3 Votes210 John Coltrane/ Don Cherry - The Avant Garde (1960) 476 Points, 5 votes209 Jimmy Smith - Root Down (1972) 477 Points, 4 votes208 Albert Ayler - New grass (1969) 478 Points, 4 votes207 Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam (1969) 478 Points, 5 Votes206 Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane (1957) 479 Points, 3 votes205 Dizzy Gillespie - At Newport (1957) 501 Points, 4 votes204 Wayne Shorter - The Allseeing Eye (1965) 501 Points, 6 votes203 Alice Coltrane - Eternity (1976) 502 Points, 4 votes202 Cecil Taylor - Nefertiti (1962) 505 Points, 4 votes201 Jon Hassell/Brian Eno - Fourth World Vol. 1: Possible Musics (1990) 507 Points, 5 Votes
200 John Coltrane - Ballads (1962) 510 Points, 5 Votes199 Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan ( "Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown") (1954) 512 Points,4 Votes198 Sonny Rollins - The Cutting Edge (1974) 512 Points, 6 Votes197 Jimmy Smith - The Sermon (1958) 513 points, 4 Votes196 John Coltrane - Coltrane Plays The Blues (1962) 513 Points 5 votes195 Art Pepper - Art Pepper Meets the Rhythm Section (1957) 515 Points, 5 votes194 Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones (1962) 519 Points, 5 votes193 Eddie Henderson - Sunburst (1975) 519 Points, 7 votes192 Freddie Hubbard - Ready For Freddie (1961) 521 Points, 4 Votes191 Don Wilkerson - Elder Don (1962) 523 points, 5 votes190 Blue Mitchell - The Thing To Do (1964) 525 Points, 5 votesTIE188 John Coltrane - Traneing In (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes188 John Coltrane - Lush Life (1958) 526 Points, 4 votes187 Lou Donaldson - Blues Walk (1958) 528 points, 3 votes186 Andrew Hill - Compulsion (1965) 529 Points, 6 votes185 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - A Night In Tunisia (1957) 530 Points, 5 votes184 Archie Shepp - On This Night (1966) 530 Points, 6 votes183 Jackie McLean - New And Old Gospel (1967) 534 Points, 6 votesTIE181 Alice Coltrane - World Galaxy (1972) 535 Points, 5 votes181 Albert Ayler - Bells (1965) 535 Points, 5 votes180 Jackie McLean - Let Freedom Ring (1962) 537 Points, 7 votes179 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine (1965) 539 Points, 5 votes178 Wayne Shorter - Super Nova (1969) 540 Points, 5 votes177 Tony Williams - Lifetime (1964) 542 Points, 7 votes176 Archie Shepp - Attica Blues (1972) 545 Points, 6 votes175 Curtis Fuller - the opener (1957) 548 Points, 4 votes, One #1 vote174 Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else (1958) 548 Points, 5 votes173 Donald Byrd - places and spaces (1975) 550 Points, 5 votes172 Charles Mingus - The Clown (1957) 550 Points, 7 votesTIE170 Count Basie - The Atomic Mr Basie (1957) 553 Points, 5 votes170 Miles Davis - Seven Steps To Heaven (1963) 553 Points, 5 votes169 Sun Ra - Atlantis (1967) 554 Points, 7 votes168 Noah Howard - The Black Ark 558 6 votes167 Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse (1970) 561 Points, 4 votes166 Pharoah Sanders - Journey to the One 561 Points, 5 votes165 Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue (1963) 563 Points 5 votes164 Miles Davis - Walkin' (1954) 563 Points 6 votes163 Grant Green - Solid (1964) 564 Points, 6 votes162 Andrew Hill - Judgment! (1964) 578 Points, 5 votes161 Eric Dolphy - Out There (1960) 580 Points, 6 votes160 Herbie Mann - Memphis underground (1969) 586 Points, 5 votesTie158 Dorothy Ashby - Afro Harping (1968) 592 Points, 6 votes158 Yusef Lateef - Eastern Sounds (1961) 592 Points, 6 votes157 Miles Davis - Dark Magus (1974) 595 Points, 6 votes156 Cannonball Adderley - Mercy Mercy Mercy! (1966) 597 Points, 4 votes One #1155 Miles Davis - Pangaea (1975) 598 Points, 6 votes154 Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame (1971) 600 points, 7 votes153 Hank Mobley - Workout (1961) 604 Points, 6 votes152 stan getz and joao gilberto - getz/gilberto (1964) 607 Points, 5 votes151 Charlie Parker - Jazz at Massey Hall (1953) 612 Points, 7 votes
TIE149 Billy Cobham - Spectrum (1973 618 Points, 6 votes149 Thelonious Monk - A Genius Of Modern Music (1947?) 618 points, 6 votes148 j.j. johnson - proof positive (1964) 619 Points, 7 votes147 Miles Davis - Workin' (1959) 620 Points, 7 votesTIE145 Art Blakey - Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk (1958) 621 Points, 5 votes145 Herbie Hancock - Mr. Hands (1980) 621 Points, 5 votes144 Grant Green - Matador (1964) 624 Points, 6 votes143 Freddie Hubbard - Sing Me A Song of Songmy (1971) 625 Points, 6 votes142 Joe Henderson - In 'N Out (1964) 629 Points, 6 votes141 Don Cherry - Brown Rice (1975) 633 Points, 6 votes140 Charles Mingus - New Tijuana Moods (1957) 635 points, 5139 Herbie Hancock - Man-child 635 Points, 7 votes138 Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought (1969) 637 Points, 6 votes137 Big John Patton - Let 'Em Roll (1965) 646 Points, 7 votes136 Sonny Rollins - Way Out West (1957) 656 Points, 6 votes135 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 2 (1966) 659 Points, 8 votes134 Grant Green - Live At The Lighthouse (1972) 662 Points, 7 votes133 Miles Davis - Sorcerer (1967) 667 Points, 6 votes132 Theolonious Monk Quartet and John Coltrane - At Carnegie Hall (1957) 673 Points131 Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay (1970) 674 Points, 8 votes130 Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965) 684 (points) 7 votes129 John Coltrane - Kulu Se Mama (1965) 687 Points, 7 votes128 Bobby Hutcherson - Components (1965) 693 Points, 6 votes127 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Music (1957) 694 Points 8 votes126 Archie Shepp - Mama Too Tight 695 Points, 7 votes125 Miles Davis - Filles de Kilimanjaro (1968) 698 Points, 8 votes124 Miles Davis - Porgy And Bess (1958) 702 Points, 6 votes123 Miles Davis - Relaxin' with the Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 703 Points, 9 votes122 Archie Shepp - The Magic of Ju-Ju (1967) 714 Points 8 votes121 Big John Patton - Along Came John (1963) 718 Points, 7 votes120 Sun Ra - Nothing Is (1966) 723 Points, 7 votes119 Sonny Clark - Leapin' And Lopin' (1961) 728 Points, 7 votes118 Miles Davis - Milestones (1958) 731 Points, 8 votes117 Kenny Dorham - Matador (1962) 737 Points, 7 votesTIE115 Charles Mingus - Oh Yeah (1962) 739 points, 6 votes115 Bobby Hutcherson - Stick Up (1966) 739 Points 6 votes114 John Coltrane - First Meditations (1965) 747 7 votes113 Miles Davis - Miles Ahead (1957) 751 Points, 9 votes112 Wayne Shorter - Schizophrenia (1967) 760 Points, 7 votes111 Jackie McLean - One Step Beyond (1963) 761 Points, 8 votes110 Lou Donaldson - Good Gracious (1963) 764 Points, 7 Votes109 McCoy Tyner - Expansions (1968) 771 Points, 7 votes108 Miles Davis - Miles in The Sky (1968) 778 Points 7 Votes107 Donald Byrd - Blackbyrd (1973) 785 Points, 8 votes106 Bill Evans - Waltz for Debby (1961) 796 Points, 7 votes105 Sun Ra - Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy (1963) 801 Points 8 votes104 Don Cherry - Mu - Parts 1 & 2 (1969) 803 Points, 9 votes103 Albert Ayler - Live in Greenwich Village (1967) 807 Points, 6 votes, One #1102 Andrew Hill - Black Fire (1963) 812 Points 8 votes101 Bobby Hutcherson - Dialogue (1965) 818 Points, 8 votes
100 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - les stances a sophie (1970) 828 Points, 9 votes99 Miles Davis - E.S.P. (1965) 835 Points, 9 votes98 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - A Jackson in Your House (1969) 846 , 8 votes97 Grant Green - Idle Moments (1965) 846 Points 9 votes96 Bill Evans - Sunday at the Village Vanguard (1961) 849 Points, 8 votes95 John Coltrane - Sun Ship 859 Points, 9 votes94 Duke Ellington - Ellington at Newport (1956) 863 Points, 7 votes93 Sonny Sharrock - Ask The Ages (1991) 872 Points, 7 votes92 Sonny Rollins - Tenor Madness (1956) 880 Points, 8 votes91 Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles (1964) 890 Points, 11 votes90 Miles Davis - Birth Of The Cool (recorded 1949-50) 898 Points, 9 votes89 Ornette Coleman - Tomorrow Is The Question! (1959) 904 10 votes88 Miles Davis - Nefertiti (1968) 912 Points, 8 votes87 John Coltrane - Crescent (1964) 920 Points, 8 votes86 Freddie Hubbard - Open Sesame (1960) 929 Points,9 votes85 Miles Davis - Bags' Groove (1957) 930 Points 8 votes84 Pharoah Sanders - Tauhid (1966) 932 Points, 10 votes83 Sun Ra - Angels & Demons At Play (1960) 940 Points, 10 votes82 John Coltrane - Stellar Regions (1967) 942 Points, 9 votes One #181 Thelonious Monk - Monk's Dream (1962) 949 Points, 10 votes80 Miles Davis - Miles Smiles (1967) 951 Points, 9 votes79 Alice Coltrane - Universal Consciousness (1971) 964 Points, 7 votes, TWO #1's78 John Coltrane - Coltrane (Impulse) (1962) 965 Points 10 votes77 Miles Davis - Cookin' With The Miles Davis Quintet (1957) 966 Points, 10 votes76 David Holland Quartet - Conference of the Birds (1972) 974 Points, 8 votes75 Herbie Hancock - Takin' Off (1962) 976 Points, 8 votes74 Anthony Braxton - for alto (1968) 986 Points, 8 votes73 Sonny Sharrock - Black Woman (1969) 997 points, 10 votes72 Archie Shepp - The Way Ahead (1969) 1003 Points, 9 votes71 Pharoah Sanders - Thembi (1971) 1007 Points, 9 votes70 Pharoah Sanders - Black Unity (1971) 1007 Points, 11 votes69 Oliver Nelson - The Blues and the Abstract Truth (1961) 1035 Points, 9 votes68 Lonnie Liston Smith and the Cosmic Echoes - Astral Traveling (1973) 1048 Points, 11 votes67 Hank Mobley - Roll Call (1960) 1049 (Points) 10 votes, ONE #166 John Coltrane - Meditations (1965) 1069 Points, 9 votes, ONE #165 Cecil Taylor - Conquistador (1966) 1071 Points, 10 votes, ONE # 164 Ornette Coleman - Change of the Century (1960) 1083 points, 10 votes63 Charlie Haden - Liberation Music Orchestra(1969) 1091 Points, 10 votes62 Duke Ellington feat (Charlie Mingus & Max Roach) - Money Jungle (1962) 1095 Points, 10 votes61 Sun Ra - The Heliocentric Worlds Of Vol 1 (1965) 1096 Points, 10 votes60 Hank Mobley - Straight No Filter (1966) 1099 Points, 10 votes59 Duke Ellington - Far East Suite (1967) 1125 Points, 9 votes58 Donald Byrd - off to the races (1958) 1132 Points, 11 votes57 Charles Mingus - Let My Children Hear Music (1972) 1135 Points, 10 votes56 Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - Moanin' (1958) 1151 Points, 10 votes55 Wayne Shorter - JuJu (1964) 1194 Points, 12 votes54 Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage (1965) 1200 Points, 12 votes53 Thelonious Monk - Straight No Chaser (1967) 1201 Points, 12 votes52 Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil (1964) 1207 Points, 11 votes51 Lonnie Liston Smith - Expansions (1974) 1216 Points, 10 votes50 John Coltrane - Olé Coltrane (1961) 1225 Points, 11 votes
49 Horace Silver - Song for My Father (1964) 1228 Points, 12 votes48 Miles Davis - Steamin' with the Miles Davis Quintet ( 1961) 1251 Points, 10 votes47 John Coltrane - Africa/Brass (1961) 1262 Points, 13 votes46 Ornette Coleman - This Is Our Music (1961) 1343 Points, 12 votes45 Miles Davis - Get Up With It (1974) 1350 Points, 12 votes44 Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out (1959) 1378 Points, 9 votes43 Miles Davis - Agharta (1975) 1393 Points, 12 votes42 Alice Coltrane - Ptah The El Daoud (1970) 1447 Points, 13 votes41 John Coltrane - interstellar Space (1967) 1461 Points, 15 votes40 Donald Byrd - A New Perspective (1963) 1481 Points, 12 votes39 Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain (1960) 1493 Points, 12 votes38 Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz (1960) 1520 Points, 13 votes37 Charles Mingus - Pithecanthropus Erectus (1956) 1528 Points, 12 votes36 Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus (1956) 1538 Points, 13 votes, One #135 Miles Davis - A Tribute To Jack Johnson (1970) 1616 Points, 14 votes34 Andrew Hill - Point of Departure (1964) 1626 Points, 14 votes33 Charles Mingus - Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus (1963) 1658 Points, 15 votes32 Peter Brötzmann - Machine Gun (1968) 1714 Points, 12 votes, One #131 Lee Morgan - Search For The New Land (1964) 1836 Points, 12 votes30 Archie Shepp - Fire Music (1965) 1896 Points, 13 votes, one #129 Herbie Hancock - Crossings (1971) 1898 Points, 14 votes One #128 Joe Henderson - Page One (1963) 1902 Points, 12 votes27 Miles Davis - On the Corner (1972) 1957 Points, 14 votes, One #126 Sun Ra - Space is The Place (Impulse) 1982 Points, 17 votes25 Cecil Taylor - Unit Structures (1966) 1983 Points 15 votes24 Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder (1963) 2096 Points, 16 votes23 Jackie McLean - Destination Out (1963) 2118 Points, 14 votes22 Miles Davis - Round About Midnight (1956) 2165 Points, 15 votes21 Thelonious Monk - Brilliant Corners (1957) 2220 Points, 15 votes20 Albert Ayler - Spiritual Unity (1964) 2239 Points 17 votes
19 Alice Coltrane - Journey In Satchidananda (1971) 2466 Points, 17 votes, One #118 Miles Davis - Bitches Brew (1970) 2554 Points, 17 votes TWO #1's17 Sonny Clark - Cool Struttin' (1958) 2602 Points, 17 votes, One #116 John Coltrane - My Favourite Things (1961) 2651 Points, 21 votes15 John Coltrane - A Love Supreme (1964) 2701 Points, 20 votes14 Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um (1959) 2708 Points, 22 votes13 John Coltrane - Blue Train (1957) 2710 Points, 20 votes12 Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters (1973) 2716 Points, 20 votes11 Hank Mobley - Soul Station (1960) 2737 Points, 17 votes, One #1
10 Herbie Hancock - Mwandishi (1970) 2774 Points, 20 votes, One #19 Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (1959) 2785 Points, 21 votes8 Herbie Hancock - Sextant (1973) 2859 Points, 19 vote One #17 John Coltrane - Ascension (1966) 2912 Points, 22 votes, One #16 Pharoah Sanders - Karma (1969) 2996 Points, 21 votes5 Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come (1959) 3011 Points, 22 votes4 Eric Dolphy - Out To Lunch (1964) 3080 Points, 22 votes3 John Coltrane - Giant Steps (1959) 3134 Points, 23 votes TWO #1's2 Charles Mingus - The Black Saint And Sinner Lady (1963) 3321 Points, 22 One #1
1 Miles Davis - In A Silent Way (1969) 3379 Points, 23 votes, 3 #1's
― Oor Neechy, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:10 (three years ago) link
Why does Conference of the Birds never turn up in these lists? Or maybe it does and I just haven't been paying attention. Anyway, I love the shit out of that album.― pomenitul, Saturday, 26 September 2020 23:06 (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― pomenitul, Saturday, 26 September 2020 23:06 (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
76 David Holland Quartet - Conference of the Birds (1972) 974 Points, 8 votes
― Oor Neechy, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:11 (three years ago) link
Nm, still too low tho.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:13 (three years ago) link
Maybe lots of folk will have discovered it since the poll?
I discovered loads of great stuff thanks to it
― Oor Neechy, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:16 (three years ago) link
Oh no, not again! :(
― Deflatormouse, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:22 (three years ago) link
Def prefer the reddit list. I'll show myself out
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:32 (three years ago) link
damn 5th columnists
― Oor Neechy, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:41 (three years ago) link
WTF at only including stuff after 1945? Big band jazz is my favorite jazz.
― Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 27 September 2020 07:57 (three years ago) link
It took 9 years to complain?
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 September 2020 14:37 (three years ago) link
as I already said many times Tuomas was supposed to run a pre 1945 jazz tracks poll to compliment this one.
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 September 2020 14:42 (three years ago) link
I find that lists like this serve two purposes: as a cross-section of an individual or group aesthetic, and as a guide for new music to listen to. I don't see the point of complaining what's on them or not on them, make your own list if you want a mirror of your preferences.
I also wonder why some jazz fans/historians/critics feel that if you like one strand of this music, you ought to enjoy listening to old records that have nothing in common with your taste. I'm not talking about these records appearing on lists, I mean the outrage when this or that is absent or under-appreciated. Is it because this one hundred years of music is all still called "jazz"? I mean, how would extreme metal fans respond to someone shoving Chuck Berry or Yardbirds records at them, because it's all "rock"?
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 27 September 2020 16:25 (three years ago) link
I thought a big reason why this was post-45 only was that pre-45 stuff would get lost in the shuffle. Better to separate it out and give it the attention it deserves.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 27 September 2020 16:28 (three years ago) link
Indeed, but Tuomas didn't run it but maybe one of the people on this thread bemoaning the lack of pre 45 jazz could volunteer to run it?
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 September 2020 16:46 (three years ago) link
Rude he wrote the theme tune for this board and didn't even place here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW8NQgqYoVQ
― Stanley Crouch, Monday, 17 April 2023 11:57 (one year ago) link
A short rollout meant that someone had to miss out.
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Monday, 17 April 2023 13:06 (one year ago) link