thraed of DOJA CAT

i'd be a little surprised if their creative relationship was contractual since he wasn't involved at all in amala, and i thought luke wasn't supposed to be involved at kemosabe as of 2017? or did sony just remove him as ceo of kemosabe and insist he lays low for a bit, with him now being still involved there more than just as a producer for hire?

opened doja cats live to her reciting roddy ricch the box lyrics like she's reciting hamlet in fucking chainmail armour I- pic.twitter.com/j0Fpejeuw8

— yaz💛 (@flowerhunni) April 9, 2020

What a week we're all having!

What’s the story? I saw she was trending, but couldn’t figure out why.

I saw something that said she's a white supremacists l or something hut isn't she half Black?

I remember when people were cancelled for obvious reasons.

https://www.ccn.com/doja-cat-joe-biden-canceled-on-same-day-maybe-they-should-run-together/

Also imago did you come here to dunk on people for liking her music

So she's being cancelled for third party's vague recollections of things she supposedly did in a chat room and no screenshot or anything approximating evidence?

Yeah, sounds about right for Twitter.

It's 2020, yo.

I thought she was already #problematic for working with Dr Luke and #cancelled for her teenage homophobic slurs

Yeah, and something else last week.

Wouldn't be surprised if it's an incel campaign

Or a Lana Del Rey stan campaign. Possibly both.

Online is so fucking tiring sometimes.

Wait let me get this straight Imago. So when a comedian you like gets called out for some antisemitic bantz in a national newspaper it's crybullying that must be faced down at all costs, but when a black artist was supposedly laughing along in a white supremacist chat room, despite there being no actual record of this, it's an occasion to rub your hands together with glee? I mean at least be consistent.

i didn't pass judgement! threadbump at least as much about the phenomenon as the crime (if there even was one). didn't you see how i said the KAS 'cancellation' was nonsense? the LDR drama was some crass, crass self-promotion bs - this one isn't artist-driven

stewart lee thing wasn't intentionally (or possibly even accidentally) antisemitic though obviously and it's not a great comparison

online drama wrought by toxic fan culture has in the last 2 days killed a star of a reality tv show (and wrestling) that i watch, and ended the career of one of my favourite bands (black dresses) - i am not here to likewise stick the knife into DC (although i'm obviously no fan)

maybe wasn't worth bumping this thread, but i thought we had a collective duty to stay on top of the Discourse or something idk

also it is disingenuous for you to equate the extremely bad-faith crybullying (yes) of the fucking hard-right pundit circle - people who claim that jeremy corbyn is a racist - with stan drama lol

i should have known better than to click a doja cat thread thinking it would be a suitable alternative to the hillary clinton thread

but seriously

joe biden just got "cancelled" _this fucking week_?

christ. look i'm off to play match three games all fucking weekend.

Partly my fault for linking to that trash website but at least it does justice to the spirit of Twitter quite well.

if we capture the spirit of twitter can we banish it to the land of wind and ghosts?

Gladly!

shame about black dresses

what happened with black dresses?

I did try to search for it but all I got was a lot of posts about cancelled orders from clothes shops

same question ^ i couldn't figure it out either

This thread is more of an explanation than anything else I can find. Which is, not much of one.

Black Dresses breaking up bc they asked tiktok cosplayers to stop doing cutesy edgy lipsync to a song about child sexual assault and got harassed for it, i truly will be burying myself alive

— esther miri rose (@EstherOnFilm) May 23, 2020

FWIW I’ve heard the “Doja doesnt like black guys” rumors a few times before this

it's funny when you stop and think about the total 180 the world did on tyler the creator once he started making aesthetically pleasant music and hanging out w/ solange, & then consider the idea that an artist like doja cat could/should be cancelled over whatever her teenage trolling was

otm

hope black dresses comes back ;_;

I clicked to read more of that thread but occurs to me actually I don't want to know more about that. Fandom: not even once.

I hate the cow song but if someone’s being unfairly cancelled I’m here to defend her, just what I do

Going to look up what happened though. If she did something egregious she’s on her own

Ok this one is actually extremely depressing..... seems she has some self loathing issues that led her to seek out the company of racists and do compromising things on video chats with them.

And the song from 2015?

Yeah, it’s a racist song that picks up on an alt right term. Apparently she was conversant in this type of culture. So that is pretty strong evidence that at least a version of this narrative is true—it’s not all third-hand accounts and blurry screenshots.

Good work, gumshoes

https://www.papermag.com/doja-cat-break-the-internet-interview-2641564531.html she talks about that a little in this interview from last year and it's clearly what people have dug up

she was 19 or 20 in 2015 so while that's old enough for her to really have known better it's pretty easy to forgive her for being real self-loathing about being mixed race

She still frequents the chat room to this day?

The article doesn’t mention the song...

oh i missed that detail that's really bleak if she's still hanging out with those types

that article is from last year before people actually dug up all this stuff this week including the racist song

the stuff has been out there and not really hidden at all for a while it’s just that not enough ppl cared about her until now. that song’s lyrics have been on genius for ages

don't let children get raised by the internet

i didnt realize she was still doing this stuff. thought it was like, i was 14 and too online type thing.

this is p sad

I try not to be political... I'm more like, 'I don't give a fuck,'" Doja pushes back, before reminding me that an artist's intention is just as important as external interpretation. "I never think about what I write. I just write whatever the first thing that comes to my mind is."

ppl who "aren't political" almost always have shitty political beliefs

this is another classic dodge (sub "ism" sometimes)

A beat passes before Doja shrugs. "Like, I just love romance and sex," she says. "It's not a very '-ist' album, because there's nothing '-ist' about what I do."

Her self-hatred runs deep. I'm finding this more depressing than anger-inducing.

yeah perhaps the more apposite tyler comparison is how self-loathing from a complicated identity in a fucked society can sadly have toxic things that come out of it? not sure that insulates anyone from criticism though

willing to bet the vast majority of "problematic" entertainers hate themselves at least a little

There is something vaguely masochistic about exposing oneself so thoroughly to the outside world, especially when you risk becoming a dehumanized object of worship. Incidentally, I empathize with Black Dresses for backing out before it’s too late (although perhaps ‘before’ is a bit of misnomer here).

I mean, they're not dead. They can unbreak up whenever they feel like it.

yeah perhaps the more apposite tyler comparison is how self-loathing from a complicated identity in a fucked society can sadly have toxic things that come out of it? not sure that insulates anyone from criticism though

― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Sunday, May 24, 2020 3:50 PM (three hours ago)

yeah. btw i don't think she should be insulated from criticism, all criticism of her is warranted. i'm just talking about the idea of her career being over. it's interesting how these things play out -- outside of kpop/BTS, male artists don't really have to deal w/ stan army wars and the sort of attendant social media (and then media) attention/scrutiny that comes out of that culture? don't think doja has a stan army but as a woman in pop she is squarely in the arena where fan bases/social media armies mine any/everything you've ever said/done for #[artist]isover parties. the only one i can think of is shawn mendes and the way his affectations have been pored over and memed ad nauseam in relation to speculation over his sexuality. but like, there's a weeknd song that is basically a celebration of gang rape. i have no idea if it's "better or worse" than doja's offensive song but the amount of scrutiny between those two (just as an example) is not comparable. now doja has the real world element of hanging out in these discord chats or whatever, but one of the central figures in the ovo/xo circle was a human trafficker. maybe both should be cancelled idk but it just feels like what is happening to her rn is not a standard applied to many/any male artists. certainly no rappers to speak of. video surfaced of post malone saying the n-word on camera and the world didn't even stop for a second. it's just not consistent.