Which are John Peel's 140 fave albums?

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that's a great idea you have there with the festive fifty, aldo. but why don't you just zip all files and ysi the big zip file. it will take some time but i think ysi allows files which are up to 1 gb big. disadvantage is of course that there are only 25 download slots (probably more but that's what ysi says). after one week the link will be down in any way though. maybe rapidshare is better? in any case you do not have to upload the stuff to your webspace.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

not sure if i understood your question, aldo. forget my last post. i am not an expert on torrents. but yousending a torrent somehow seems to imply an upload to somewhere, no?

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

Upthread, one of the larger YSI'd zip files seemed to go off very quickly.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

alex, you'd only upload the bittorent meta files so that people know where to find it, not the entire data file.

what's missing from your festive fifty archive aldo? there was someone on some fall list somewhere (don't know details) who was very close to finishing the same thing.

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

however it's resolved aldo, let me be the first to say thanks for your offer to share such an excellent Peel thing!

patita (patita), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)

Can any one post/repost :
Rizzo - Cathy :
Pocket Fishrmen yr story :
The Mighty Avengers - Something they Say :
Ken Colyers Jazzmen If I ever Cease To Love + Bucket Got A Hole In It + Wildcat Blues + Wabash Blues :

All my stuff is on soulseek as ezone17

Thanks.

ezone, Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

but why don't you just zip all files and ysi the big zip file. it will take some time but i think ysi allows files which are up to 1 gb big.

The folder is 6gb unzipped, so somehow I don't see it coming down far enough.

I can't remember what's missing, to be honest, but it's only about 5 tracks and none of them are that old - it's just recent things I haven't bothered tracking down.

I have to go out for an hour or so now, but will have a bash at this later and see if I can get it to work.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

all those haven't been posted yet here, ezone. is all your stuff the rest including the other missing tracks i mentioned? i don't use soulseek. if someone (using soulseek) could ysi those, that would be phantastic.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

If the folder is 6gb one possibility is torrenting it at themixingbowl.org.

PS echoing alex in mainhattan's request for any tks that are still only available on slsk.

Cheers

dumdum, Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

I doubt slsk is much help for any that we're missing at this point. I've tried and tried.

TRG (TRG), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

matthew hodge indicated upthread (on Nov 22) that the Pocket Fishrmen would be enroute, as well as some others.

as for some of the other missing tracks, now is the time for an xmas miracle.

patita (patita), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

OK.

There is one track missing from the 'non' Festive Fifty year (1977), and a Leftfield track incomplete in 2000. For some reason 1997 has gone fairly awry and is missing about 20 (but I'm sure us good people can easily fill in the gaps).

http://s63.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3KQT7A6R1RMUE1APMUO3OZLQJQ

Can somebody please start this and let me know it's working OK?

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

xmas miracle = sheila peel,or son tom, ripping the ACTUAL 45s and posting them up.

i can but wish.

johnny lately, Tuesday, 6 December 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

sorry for my stupidity but what are we supposed to do with that text file, aldo?

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

It's a torrent file, isn't it? It should open in a bittorrent client?

If not I HAVE FUCKED UP SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

Heres my missing list Much the Same as everyone elses

Al Ferrier - I'm Not Drinking More

Anemic Boyfriends - Bad Girls in Love

Arthur K Adams - Wildwood flower + It's a wild, wild, wild, wild wildwood flower

Clague (aka Siren) - I wonder where

Clefs Of Lavender Hill - First Tell Me Why

Dreamland Express - Groovy + u.f.o

Easy Teeth - Car Noise

Firemen - Old smokie + Louie's theme

G L Crockett - Did you ever love somebody

Greenhornes - Stayed up last night

Ken Colyers Jazzmen - If I ever Cease To Love + Bucket Got A Hole In It + Wildcat Blues + Wabash Blues

Mickey Lee Lane - With your love

The Mighty Avengers - Something they Say

Pocket Fishrmen - yr story

Ray Martin - Bell of the ball

Revelino - Memoreason

Roshell Anderson - Such a beautiful thing

Sasha Caro - Grade 3 section 2 + Little maid's song

Sipho Bhengu - Tickey dopies + I saluti

Spit Out - O from I + Tan + Rot'n'roll

Stanley Winston - It's alright

The Big Three - If you ever change your mind

The Legion of Super-Heroes - The great name dropper part 1 + The great name dropper part 2

Yami Bolo - b side

Rizzo - Cathy

ezone, Tuesday, 6 December 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)

the torrent file is probably ok but i always get an nat error using azureus. to configure the router and the two firewalls for that incoming port is totally beyond me. i think i give up.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 22:41 (twenty years ago)

tracer, if you're still missing Galactic Symposium - Money, it's here:

http://s64.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3ASX9VR4FR3MB31HAYUELOGGOY

The following are ones I'm still without that I must have missed in various zips etc. If anyone would care to repost one or two I can offer others in return (except of course the usual elusive suspects)

Al Casey - Easy pickin'
Alan Price - Iechyd da
Andy Capp - Rico - The Lion speaks
Anti-Social - Teacher, teacher
Arthur K Adams - Wildwood flower/It's a wild wild wild wildwood flower
Bill Oddie - Harry krishna
Don French - Goldilocks
Dreamland Express - Groovy / u.f.o
Johnnie Taylor - At night time
Ken Colyers Jazzmen
Lee Perry - Black smoke signal
The Move - Azrial
Sipho Bhengu - Tickey dopies
Super Sister - No tree will grow / She was naked

dumdum, Tuesday, 6 December 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

super sister:
http://s47.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=33TJENDOHH9FR0BX1Q125K52U1

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

REPOST for dumdum

http://s65.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1717AGSOJ0LZ121CF9AHU7WWPC

You listed the Move with the song Azrial. The Nice actually sang it, so thats the song I included, hope thats the one you wanted. Also included are the following -

Al Casey - Easy pickin'
Alan Price - Iechyd da
Rico - The Lion speaks
Anti-Social - Teacher, teacher
Lee Perry - Black smoke signal
Bill Oddie - Harry krishna
Don French - Goldilocks
Johnnie Taylor - At night time
The Nice - Azrial

Stoecker, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 06:47 (twenty years ago)

Also, my soulseek user id is michstoecker. I have the collected songs so far along with an evergrowing peel collection that includes his
standard shows
Peel Sessions
Peel Out in the States
Festive 50's
Peeling Back the Years
Radio Eins
Perfumed Garden
etc, etc.

Just share your files and you are free to grab what you will.

Stoecker in Kansas

Stoecker, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 06:53 (twenty years ago)

It's occurred to me, as it probably has to others, that Bob's point about several of these probably being one-offs or acetates would explain why the Times list only includes the A-side for several songs, i.e. the Nilsson ones especially. Maybe those that are listed as such could lose their B-sides for this project, both cutting down the file size and also presumably matching what was actually in there better?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 08:28 (twenty years ago)

(and cutting down on the Nilsson quotient)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 08:29 (twenty years ago)

stoecker and alex, great to wake up to those two zips this morning. thanks a million!!

dumdum, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 08:32 (twenty years ago)

.. and wake up to Nilsson, the b-sides are great!

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

Is my torrent working for anybody?

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

I have not gotten the torrent to work. I am using a mac though, so I dont know if that could be the source of the problem.

Matthew Walker (thatkid225), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

I got the torrent to work. Disregard last post.

Matthew Walker (thatkid225), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

dum de dum. spending the last hour of my day searching for peel box stuff...

clague / siren track is available on the first siren lp, called 'siren' and has been out on cd twice, once as a two-lps-on-one-cd thing:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00000AQGO/qid=1133978689/sr=1-19/ref=sr_1_19/104-2426966-6948743?s=music&v=glance&n=5174

the rabbits lp, also credited to siren, claims to have the two dandelion singles tacked on the end but doesn't include 'I Wonder Where' (although The Stride is on it)

am again puzzled at how we can have 75% of #125 but be missing the Rizzo track.

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

the GL Crockett 037 is on ebay.co.uk for (currently) £4 (although a: it's on chief rather than checker and b: current high bidder is elvis presley!)

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

Thanks Koogs. Just bought the Siren twofer. I like Coyne a lot, and the one Siren track I've heard, so it seems like a worthwhile investment. Gemm had it for much cheaper than Amazon. My cajun comp never did arrive (though we no longer need that track) and Yami Bolo never did write back (though there may not be a B-side) so I hope this isn't another deadend.

TRG (TRG), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

matthew, how did you get the torrent to work? it's open now in azureus (on a mac too) but showing now seeds/leechers. any tips?

dumdum, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

and that should have read "...showing no seeds/leechers". dur.

dumdum, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

the missing Al Ferrier A side should be posted this evening.

patita (patita), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

I was actually right the first time. I did not get it to work. I got all the filenames and folders, but nothing worked and the whole thing took up only 8 KB. I am not that adept at Torrents so cannot figure out why that would happen.

Sorry about my confusion, It is been a long day of work on very little sleep after a long night of drinking.

Matthew Walker (thatkid225), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)

no problem. i've tried it with a version of azureus that handles trackerless torrents, but still no joy. never mind.

dumdum, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 22:47 (twenty years ago)

Hmm. I'll try creating another one, playing with some of the settings and see what happens. I must have done something wrong somewhere.

Hang on, I've tweaked it a little from within. Can anybody see it now? (I've only just found myself for the first time)

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 23:10 (twenty years ago)

I can't download the torrent. It wants me to enter a premium code, even though I clicked on the free link. Maybe it's been downloaded too many times already?

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 8 December 2005 00:07 (twenty years ago)

I've been lurking here for a while, and although I'm not a Peel fanatic by any stretch (I know him by reputation and through the Slits and Gang of Four and my saintly Only Ones Peel Sessions), I find this a fascinating endeavor.

OK, props to Patita, here are the Al Ferrier sides (m4a format, sorry), thanks to the UNC Chapel Hill Southern Folklife Collection. Now if someone could only explain why this ended up in his box-- have you all given up on the answer to this question for any of these???

http://s51.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0E4ETGX9UEMQK36EZIEHFD211T

http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3LOFSCB7LNT3P3458BLJ9QDCGC

I hope this comes through ok. Enjoy.

Cam Patterson (Cam), Thursday, 8 December 2005 02:47 (twenty years ago)

Thanks Cam! It's great to have the other Ferrier song, came through fine. I guess he included this, and the others, because he liked it the most among his 45s, no real mystery.

TRG (TRG), Thursday, 8 December 2005 03:04 (twenty years ago)

excellent Cam, thanks a lot for this!

I'm guessing that this is in the box because he'd had a copy when he was in the States. Who knows, though. Hell, my record box contains a copy of "How Much is that Doggie In the Window" that I had as a kid.

patita (patita), Thursday, 8 December 2005 04:41 (twenty years ago)

i'm not a peel fanatic either cam, so i truly have no clue about this... ferrier was a big fresh name in country boppity pop in the fifties but that single is a totally different style, nashville sound type of thing, from like 30 years later or something.. ?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 8 December 2005 04:48 (twenty years ago)

in any case you have raised the bar on contributions with that research i think!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 8 December 2005 04:50 (twenty years ago)

the Big Three track is on the Cavern Stomp lp under a different name... there's one on ebay and one on amazon with different tracklistings (import copy?):

Ebay:
1. Some Other Guy
2. Let True Love Begin
3. By The Way
4. Cavern Stomp
5. I'm With You
6. Peanut Butter
7. Bring It On Home To Me - Version 3 (studio/single) (a.k.a. If You Ever Change Your Mind)
8. You've Gotta Keep Her Under Hand
9. High School Confidential
10. What'd I Say (Live)
11. Don't Start Running Away (Live)
12. Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah (Live)
13. Reelin' And Rockin' (Live)
14. Bring It On Home To Me - Version 1 (Live/LP) (a.k.a. If You Ever Change Your Mind)
15. Bring It On Home To Me - Version 2 (Studio/Previously Unreleased) (a.k.a. If You ever Change Your Mind)

Amazon Version:
1. Some Other Guy
2. I'm With You
3. Let True Love Begin
4. By The Way
5. Cavern Stomp
6. Peanut Butter
7. Bring It On Home To Me
8. What'd I Say
9. Don't Start Running Away
10. Zip A Dee Doo Dah
11. Reelin' And Rockin'
12. You've Got To Keep Her Under Hand
13. High School Confidential

ebay version is cheaper but has a long lead time... amazon version has less tracks. decisions, decisions... amazon version also seems to be an 'officially licensed CDR'. ok, have gone for the ebay version. will let you know how i got on in 2006 8)

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:34 (twenty years ago)

have also just ordered another copy of the revelino single. lets hope this one actually turns up and that it isn't another 74p wasted!

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:39 (twenty years ago)

I have three of the missing songs on vinyl. I will try not be a lazy git & upload them this weekend. I will also try to send Mark the package I promised. For the record I Have:

Mighty Avengers
GL Crockett
Roshell Anderson (On it's way)

Bob

Bob Robinson, Thursday, 8 December 2005 21:44 (twenty years ago)

It's gone a bit quiet here - have you all gone elsewhere?

Jon Dennis, Monday, 12 December 2005 08:44 (twenty years ago)

we're still here, but there's not a lot to add anymore as we're down to the very rare things. that said:

NEW!

http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=24QOX7JQJ957S3PMSDUHVMRYFH

081 Step On High (we already have this but...)
081 Morereason

anon_andrews, Monday, 12 December 2005 11:16 (twenty years ago)

This is a fantastic post. Thanks to ezone for the soulseek connection. Currently downloading tracks now. charlieblimey is my username(or charlieblimey2 if your using the non-test version). I'll start sticking them up asap.

dean coster (charlieblimey), Monday, 12 December 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

Hi. Another lurker here enjoying everyone else's work on this project. I just downloaded the Ferrier tracks thanks to the gentleman from UNC and was thinking about his "Why?" question and also why there is very little discussion of the music on this thread.
Perhaps it doesn't need to be said, but obviously this is not the definitive list of Peel's favorite songs, but rather 45's that meant something to him for some reason. Still I've found nothing but pleasure from all the tracks I've downloaded. It seems to me that what's so great about Peel is that for someone known as a taste-maker, his taste was always eclectic and intuitive and he was looking not for greatness so much as for singular moments of joy and charm. I came across this review of some Hornby book he did a couple of years ago and I thought I'd paste it here because it gives a good idea of some his thoughts on lists and favorites.

Wot? No Gene Vincent?

That's the great thing about lists. You just can't help arguing with them. John Peel runs a connoisseur's eye over Nick Hornby's 31 Songs

Sunday February 23, 2003
The Observer

31 Songs
by Nick Hornby
Viking £12.99, pp208

This is the first Nick Hornby book I've read. Shocking, but true. Surely, people have said, you must have read Fever Pitch. 'But it's about Arsenal,' I have replied, remembering the pain of the 1950 Cup Final, when they beat Liverpool 2-0. Happily, 31 Songs is not about Arsenal. And, of course, it is a list.

Men, it is often asserted, like lists, but speaking as a man I'm not sure this is true. Doing a little quiet but important research at a birthday party recently, I asked a number of men present whether they cared, in any special sort of way, for lists. It seemed they did not particularly, although they were quite interested in a) loft insulation and b) restoring vintage cars.


There was a time, about 15 years ago, when I wrote on popular music for this paper. For five years, I crisscrossed the country (at my own expense, I want you to know) reviewing everything from Bob Dylan at Wembley (awful) to post-punk bands with silly names I've forgotten in venues without a single one of the emergency exits required by law (often rather good).

The one thing I learnt from this - and it is something Hornby acknowledges early in his book - is that it is much easier to write about things you don't like than things you do. So this, being as it is a list - with extensive explanations that, on occasion, read like apologies - of the author's favourite records, must have been a bugger to write.

Hornby further acknowledges the frustration the music-lover can feel when people he or she is attempting to interest in the best bits of records simply won't listen. Only last week, fired by a positive review of yet another compilation of the early works of Gene Vincent, a review that majored on the astonishing guitar playing of 'Galloping' Cliff Gallup of the Blue Caps, I attempted to interest a Radio 1 co-worker in Gene's 'Jump Back, Honey, Jump Back'. (There are no Gene Vincent records in Nick Hornby's Hot 31.)

'Why,' I marvelled, 'does Cliff start his solo from there and how, in a matter of seconds, does he get back to there?' But, despite the fact that 'Jump Back, Honey, Jump Back' is less than two minutes long, my colleague had lost interest and was talking about tops with someone else.

The feted author of High Fidelity and About a Boy is unusual, I think, in considering all of a song lyric rather than fragments. This is due, in part at least, to what he describes as his need to 'solve' songs; to, as it were, wrestle them to the ground, consider them in detail, extract from them their core meanings and by so doing achieve some sort of completion.

I'm not with him on this. Not at all. Two of the records that would be under consideration for a place on any comparable list I might make would be the Golinski Brothers' 'Bloody' and Roy Buchanan's version of 'Lonesome Fugitive', but I've never seriously attempted in-depth analysis of these songs as songs.

For me, it is enough that the Golinski Brothers' obscure but, trust me, unforgettable record includes the lines: 'Still you gotta have a laugh [pause] ha ha ha ha' and: 'Send my Giro to Cairo', and 'Fugitive' the couplet: 'I raised a lotta cane back in my younger days. My momma used to pray my crops would fail.' I mean, come on. Beat that.

And there's a bit in another Gene Vincent song, 'Gonna Back Up Baby', which is completely unintelligible, yet I love it. It sounds as though Gene is singing: 'Well, I'm gonna cuckmer cuckmunter you gahdin.' When I was younger and, frankly, a little crazy, I would play this bizarre extract to acquaintances and offer them my entire record collection if they could, without consultation, decipher the words. No one took me seriously and, of course, when I played them the track, they started talking about tops and other leisurewear within seconds of its starting anyway. I don't think 'Gonna Back Up Baby' lends itself to being 'solved', at least not by anyone outside protective custody.

But let's look now at Nick Hornby's 31. (By the way, I've forgotten why he picked 31 rather than the more conventional 20 or 40 or even 100. I think he just did.) His reasons for choosing each record are laid out at some length, otherwise there'd be no book, and if you don't like the songs yourself then his sophistries are not going to persuade you that you should.

I'm going to have to step out of the closet here and confess that there are 11 records listed that I simply don't know at all, and at least three I don't like. It would be a bit fatuous to list these, especially as one is by Bruce Springsteen and it seems to be Hornby's absolute all-time favourite and he has harsh things to say about people who don't like Springsteen (we're smart people who are dumb, it seems). Then there is, by a pretty coincidence, one artist and song listed - Rufus Wainwright and 'One Man Guy' - that I'd replace with the artist's father, Loudon, and 'Father and Son'. This song I always imagine to be about me and my son William, because the words fit so well.

But there are four tracks here that would at least make the Final Eliminators of any comparable list I might make. These are by Richard and Linda Thompson, OV Wright, Jackson Browne and, finally, the Velvettes. The last named is probably the only one that would be in my final 31. I think Nick Hornby and I would agree that you should hear it as soon as you possibly can. Trust us. And don't talk while it's playing.

Morris Dickstein, Monday, 12 December 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)


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