wait are you saying chorlton isn't in manchester or what
― ogmor, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 22:56 (four years ago) link
I'm saying it is!
― High profile Tom D (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 22:57 (four years ago) link
ah ok! this classic photo from hulme in 85 seems just about relevant enough to justify posting
https://i2.wp.com/britishculturearchive.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/img_7506.jpg
― ogmor, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:02 (four years ago) link
Marr is such a fan of Chic that he named his son Nile. I wonder what Mozz thought of that, or what Marr thought of the "burn down the disco" bullshit.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:11 (four years ago) link
and what made him a marvelous guitarist was the degree to which he eschewed lead guitar cliches and played rhythm, i.e. like a guy who spend his formative years playing Motown 45s.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:12 (four years ago) link
Marr's guitar parts are really bizarre, I wish there was a muso breakdown book of them with tunings, tabs, etc. A lot of the chord structures in the songs are quite simple, but the multi-layered guitar parts are a maze.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:14 (four years ago) link
I imagine he never told Mozza that "How Soon Is Now" was inspired by Hamilton Bohannon's "Disco Stomp" either.
― High profile Tom D (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:15 (four years ago) link
I used to often walk through Hulme towards Deansgate when i lived in Whalley Range for a bit in the late 90's. I can't even imagine how much affordable housing is there these days!
xps about nazi imagery
the Bromley Contingent? lots of middle class London suburban art school dropouts (or would have been if they were a bit older) with swastikas and stuff is it? I'm more of a keen listener than scholar of music social history, but that is a thing that is in my head for some reason.
― calzino, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:20 (four years ago) link
I have this bit in one of my Smiths books at home (surely not The Severed Alliance?!) with more detail:
Tell us a secretThe Smiths were planning a disco album.
― hyds (gyac), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:21 (four years ago) link
I went through a lot of Marr stuff with my teacher once, and while there aren't many weird tunings iirc (aside from "How Soon is Now?"), there is a lot of capo use and some super-cool chords and patterns (and of course layers). And you can definitely catch the Nile Rodgers influence when you learn what Marr is up to.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:22 (four years ago) link
besides the universities slowly sprawling out into it hulme hasn't seen too much development since the 90s tbh, more towards castlefield and the city centre. contra owen hatherley who sez its all gone downhill since they demolished the crescent and nothing good has come from manchester since a guy called gerald blah blah I think somehow despite being bulldozed and rebuilt twice since the war hulme has more of a legit proper community feel with co-ops and not totally horrible social housing and so on than most of south manchester. altho having said that a guy I went to school with got funding to build a music studio in the arts centre there and the only ppl he can ever get to come and use it are indie bands from chorlton
― ogmor, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:45 (four years ago) link
Morrissey never recovered from being seated between a DJ and George Michael, while being assigned to watch a hiphop movie
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5x78ql
― Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:12 (four years ago) link
It’s really fun to play smiths stuff on guitar ime
― brimstead, Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:54 (four years ago) link
Flirting with Nazi imagery was very much in the air in late 70s Britain
and in the US in the NY and LA punk scenes
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 13 February 2020 02:15 (four years ago) link
And, from the same 1986 Melody Maker interview with Frank Owen as the Diana Ross comments above:
Morrissey: "I don't think there's any time anymore to be subtle about anything, you have to get straight to the point. Obviously to get on Top Of The Pops these days, one has to be, by law, black. I think something political has occurred among Michael Hurll and his friends and there has been a hefty pushing of all these black artists and all this discofied nonsense into the Top 40. I think, as a result, that very aware younger groups that speak for now are being gagged."Interviewer: You seem to be saying that you believe that there is some sort of black pop conspiracy being organised to keep white indie groups down.Morrissey: "Yes, I really do."
― Alba, Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:07 (four years ago) link
This guy seems pretty racist
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:11 (four years ago) link
there is a light that should really go out
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:11 (four years ago) link
a kick in the ballsand I saythat's entertainment
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:17 (four years ago) link
If the guy’s been saying shit like this all along, it makes the “Why hasn’t he been canceled yet in America?” inquiries from earlier today seem even more pointless. Clearly, his fans on both sides of the pond have either been willing to ignore it, or have been generally ignorant of it, for decades.
― Mocha Sauce (morrisp), Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:25 (four years ago) link
https://media.giphy.com/media/7kFWNDCTwzsDm/giphy.gif
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:27 (four years ago) link
Like, you guys who are proud that he wouldn’t headline a festival in the UK anymore… What’s your excuse for 1986 to whenever?
― Mocha Sauce (morrisp), Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:28 (four years ago) link
the problem is, morrissey's music is good
― treeship., Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:33 (four years ago) link
and all four smiths albums are important if you care about the development of indie music or even british culture more broadly. this is like canceling shakespeare for being sexist or something
― treeship., Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:35 (four years ago) link
or picasso. critique is important, but what is meant by "canceling"?
― treeship., Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:36 (four years ago) link
I’m using it as shorthand. The question this morning (US time) was why he is allegedly more acceptable in the US than UK.
― Mocha Sauce (morrisp), Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:38 (four years ago) link
because he is a relic
― treeship., Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:41 (four years ago) link
he's an extant human who makes money by performing to paying audiences
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:45 (four years ago) link
sort of
― treeship., Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:46 (four years ago) link
i don't know, i feel worse supporting the meat industry than giving money to morrissey. or paying taxes that go toward cluster bombs for saudi arabia etc
― treeship., Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:47 (four years ago) link
I love old Smiths shit but y'know.....I also like Sufjan Stevens, but if he put out an album called "12 Fascist Folk Songs" that might ruin the beauty of his old music to me.
I'm not firmly in that camp, because I like a lot of music with problematic pasts, but I think right now many of us are feeling a little bit less tolerant given how much white nationalism is taking off across the globe and not wanting to be any part of it.
i don't think ILX is marching anyone to the gallows for singing "How Soon is Now?" at karaoke tho
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:48 (four years ago) link
I probably would but not because racism
― Todd Phillips, party auteur (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:51 (four years ago) link
in that case, I have the names of 47 people doing that right now
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:52 (four years ago) link
that's a good comparison with sufjan. i hold him to a different standard. morrissey has always been melodramatic, kind of a camp figure but able to derive pathos out of that. i would never look to such a person to have admirable beliefs. i also don't see him being an influential messenger for these ideas but maybe he is radicalizing people who knows
― treeship., Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:54 (four years ago) link
I mean the metal bands I listen to, I can't throw stones. but it's also that it's not like someone had to goad Morrissey into saying these things, he just does, and loudly, and that's in your head when you hear the songs.
now I'm also not a huge Moz or Smiths fan tho so that also plays into it. i'd have a hard time letting go of Iron Maiden if they wrote a song about Eddie being anti-semetic or some shit.
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:59 (four years ago) link
in the songs, morrissey comes across as a manipulative narcissist. it's part of the drama
― treeship., Thursday, 13 February 2020 04:02 (four years ago) link
i don't know, i guess i don't think i'd want to only consume art by "good" people.
― treeship., Thursday, 13 February 2020 04:03 (four years ago) link
I have heard Steve Harris's political views are pretty far from progressive
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 February 2020 04:04 (four years ago) link
really? :(
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 February 2020 04:07 (four years ago) link
With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r) at 12:34 12 Feb 20Ime, a lot of people had no idea what the word "Bengali" meant, even though there's a good chance they had met some around here.--- yeah I mean I will admit, as a cornfed Midwestern rube with latent sadsack indie tendencies, with a very narrow cultural perspective -- as blatantly racist as I understand Bengali in Platforms to be now -- it didn't exactly jump off the page to me then, especially if your frame of reference for "problematic fav being racist" was One in a Million by Guns n Roses or Black Korea by Ice Cubealso it would have never occurred to me that soft/melancholy music could be racist
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 February 2020 04:09 (four years ago) link
xpost yeah it was a rumour I read, something about not wanting his daughter dating outside her race. def not for sure confirmed but...I dunno think about it... dude his age and background.... really into metal and military history, I could see it
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 February 2020 04:11 (four years ago) link
Most of us have beloved artists who did heinous shit and we haven't been able to divorce ourselves from them - Iggy and Bowie, child molesters; domestic assault up and down the line; Tupac, sexual assault; dancehall/reggae homophobia and sexism. Where we're capable of drawing the line ends up being pretty irrational.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 13 February 2020 05:34 (four years ago) link
thanks for someone finally bringing up the Tupac sexual assault. kinda cringed when I saw some people who were bringing up Kobe's rape on the date of his death and saying "nobody should mourn this dude" that are also the "Tupac RIP we miss you" crew. he was convicted, too!
(not that i'm saying the comments about the rape are off limits for Kobe, but have some consistency)
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 February 2020 05:40 (four years ago) link
Sounds like you’re posting from Bizarro world w/r/t Kobe. I assume you’re aware that of the repercussions faced by a few (female) journalists who brought up the Kobe rape allegation after his death.
― Mocha Sauce (morrisp), Thursday, 13 February 2020 05:51 (four years ago) link
of course I'm aware of that, I have the internet, it's gross and I hate it. I'm just saying it shouldn't be inherently off limits to say "ok, I know we're sad, but let's not forget this happened". I however have long wondered why people I know that are still rosy about Tupac who turned the sideeye to Kobe when he passed.
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 February 2020 05:55 (four years ago) link
not decrying people for not bringing it up at all.
I hear you
― Mocha Sauce (morrisp), Thursday, 13 February 2020 05:57 (four years ago) link
The question this morning (US time) was why he is allegedly more acceptable in the US than UK.
Black people started major efforts to cancel Morrissey in the UK in 1992 and it didn't take until, like, late 2018. His tour in America last year did loads of cut-price tickets because sales were low. Him being booked on one 1980s nostalgia concert in one city doesn't say anything about either country's moral centre.
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Thursday, 13 February 2020 07:13 (four years ago) link
this is probably a good place for Morrissey's Green Book theme song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_96bgvIDlM
― symsymsym, Thursday, 13 February 2020 07:36 (four years ago) link
Morrissey's Green Book theme songlmao how am I only learning about this now, perfect
― wee jim o’conor (wins), Thursday, 13 February 2020 07:41 (four years ago) link
Not important in the development of 'British culture' and not like cancelling Shakepeare.
― High profile Tom D (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 February 2020 07:53 (four years ago) link