it would be, I can't see the reissues program extending that far for a number of years, I only have a couple of those records and I never listen to them, maybe I should revisit.
― Maresn3st, Saturday, 11 January 2020 23:53 (four years ago) link
I'd be interested to see how Tull themselves think of the albums, because in the reissues so far they aren't always enthusiastic about the albums.
Still cant get over how negatively Passion Play was received, critic Chris Welch hated it and others thought of it as a massive fuckup, I think I said upthread that Martin Barre wasn't that into it. I have been a bit wary of Welch because he seemed entirely negative about punk music (while making an angry face) but I've only seen him talking/writing on several things.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 12 January 2020 00:06 (four years ago) link
Roots to Branches is great, there are a few good moments on Crest of a Knave, Under Wraps I’ve still never heard and I don’t like Catfish Rising and Rock Island at all
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 12 January 2020 03:48 (four years ago) link
Stormwatch deluxe.
"Home" and "Dun Ringill" are fantastic. "Dark Ages" could have been the absolute standout but I'm not a big fan of the middle section, the first few minutes are amazing though (even spookier in the live version). "Orion" is good but the extended version is much better, with all these lovely dark instrumental passages not in the final version. "Elegy" is nice too.
I really wish they had made a whole album with the atmosphere of "Dun Ringill" and the spooky elements of some of the other tracks I mentioned. Too many so-so rock tracks.
I understand Anderson's reservations about "A Stitch In Time" (he thought using stock phrases was naff) and "Urban Apocalypse" (he felt self-conscious about the grandeur of the lyrics) but they're both spectacular to me, especially the latter, which I'm stunned was just sitting on a shelf for four decades. It's a Dee Palmer tune, only appeared on a solo album from 2018 (I'll need to get it someday).
The live intros (also written by Dee Palmer) "Sweet Dream" and "Prelude To A Storm" are brilliant. Also a bit spooky.
I assumed that Dee was a nickname for David but I'm only just discovering on Discogs that Palmer is transgender. I didn't read all the notes in these books, so if that has been mentioned, I missed it.
Did Anderson always ham up his Englishness on stage?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 15 February 2020 17:01 (four years ago) link
hahaha, yes, he does.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 15 February 2020 17:38 (four years ago) link
Meantime, Ian made an unexpected appearance on an album recently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTVrBN7JvPQ
Marc's always said he was a heavy prog fan right before glam kicked in, so not too surprising, especially since this happened a few years back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nN4d9E0AuY
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 15 February 2020 18:06 (four years ago) link
And earlier this month, Marc put on a solo show for the new album, and this happened!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxP15kQEQFQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNbQY-MfwhE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlPlNpPFKes
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 15 February 2020 18:07 (four years ago) link
I saw an interview several years ago in which Almond listed several things about himself, then concluded by saying "one of these is true". On the list was being a huge Jethro Tull fan.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 15 February 2020 18:28 (four years ago) link
hahaha, I would not have guessed that! but it makes sense, since I like Marc Almond and Jethro Tull
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 15 February 2020 18:58 (four years ago) link
I picked up Stormwatch Deluxe recently but haven’t dug into it yet. I don’t know it as well as the other two in the folk/ecology trilogy but “Dun Ringall” has always been my favorite track.
― Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 16 February 2020 17:39 (four years ago) link
Flying Dutchman rolls up all my favorite things about a good Jethro Tull track, and is the middle of great album close: Dun Ringill/Flying Dutchman/Elegy.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 16 February 2020 19:55 (four years ago) link
Agreed – there’s a real emotional hitch to when Ian sings “You better be there when the Dutchman comes.” FWIW, some of Wilson’s best surround mixes of this series have been the small acoustic tracks. “Dun Ringill” sounds absolutely incredible in 5.1.
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 22 February 2020 06:07 (four years ago) link
Is Living in the Past one of the top 50 best rock comps of all time? I’d argue yes. What’s not in doubt is that “Inside” is an absolute jam.
― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 02:46 (four years ago) link
So I finally got around to picking up the A remaster with the bonus Slipstream DVD, and my word, this video is amazing. Amazing! It's like a classic Doctor Who episode.
― avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 02:23 (four years ago) link
Ian Anderson could absolutely have been the Doctor from, say, 1979-1980 for a couple seasons and crushed it. Crushed it!
― avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 03:46 (four years ago) link
A is a fantastic album. Tull goes Boingo. But are you telling me they have gotten to A in the new remaster program or is this a previous remaster?
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 13:54 (four years ago) link
hahaha, sorry that IS misleading... no, this is the remaster from 2003, not one of the newer book-format ones... the live version of Black Sunday on Slipstream is definitely amazing. haven't spent a ton of time with A yet
― avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 14:11 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E_ZftZkGJs
the Slipstream intro and Black Sunday, so you can see how fractally bonkers this video is and how great the rendition of Black Sunday is
― avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Wednesday, 4 March 2020 03:21 (four years ago) link
Funny how the sound of the A era predicted the second wave prog bands like Twelfth Night, IQ, Pendragon all that lot.
― Maresn3st, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 10:28 (four years ago) link
for awhile I was hoovering up any live boots I could download from the A tour, that lineup was really REALLY good live
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 4 March 2020 19:12 (four years ago) link
XXXXP - The next remaster is supposedly Benefit because it hasn't gotten the book format yet, plus the 5.1 mix is already done.
― Maresn3st, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 19:29 (four years ago) link
I legit feel like petitioning Parlophone to reissue these fucking things.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 5 March 2020 02:06 (four years ago) link
I just shelled out for a used copy of the Benefit 2CD/1DVD edition, so that should speed things along.
― avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Thursday, 5 March 2020 02:44 (four years ago) link
I’m still so sad that I missed the boat on the SftW remaster book, the first favorite album I ever had
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 5 March 2020 14:01 (four years ago) link
I know the guy who works the back catalogue nowadays, I will ask him if they're ever going to be reprinted.
― Maresn3st, Thursday, 5 March 2020 17:50 (four years ago) link
Thank u
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 5 March 2020 18:21 (four years ago) link
Here's the reply.
"At the moment no plans to re-issue, the problem being the cost. Obviously numbers would be a lot less than the original run and therefore unit cost would escalate considerably pushing the sales price up too high. That said it is something we could look at down the line maybe as a D2C option in a quiet JT period."
― Maresn3st, Thursday, 5 March 2020 21:23 (four years ago) link
D2C = direct to consumer?
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 5 March 2020 22:14 (four years ago) link
Yeah, I think so.
― Maresn3st, Thursday, 5 March 2020 22:19 (four years ago) link
Check out the first comment on this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1yLI4kQobE
― Maresn3st, Thursday, 5 March 2020 22:29 (four years ago) link
A really nice recording from 1982 has just gone up on D1m3ad0z3n, cool set list too.
Disc One: 01. Something's On The Move 02. Hunting Girl 03. Fallen On Hard Times 04. Broadsword > 05. Heavy Horses 06. A Song For Jeffrey > 07. Keyboard & Drum Interlude 08. Fat Man 09. One Brown Mouse 10. Clasp 11. Watching Me Watching You 12. Instrumental (unknown title) 13. Beastie 14. Band Introductions [51:25]
Disc Two: 01. The Swirling Pit 02. A New Day Yesterday 03. Thick As A Brick > 04. Sweet Dream 05. Too Old To Rock'n'Roll, Too Young To Die 06. Aqualung 07. Locomotive Breath > 08. Black Sunday 09. Cheerio [33:08]
― Maresn3st, Monday, 20 April 2020 12:42 (four years ago) link
Oh boy!I try to save this question for special situations but ysi?
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Monday, 20 April 2020 22:03 (four years ago) link
Rewatched the second season of Fargo recently; loved this, which opened the seventh episode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p46qx7KVks
― clemenza, Monday, 20 April 2020 22:07 (four years ago) link
yeah that's a cool set... Fallen on Hard Times, One Brown Mouse, Black Sunday (a new favorite of mine)
― avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Monday, 20 April 2020 22:08 (four years ago) link
XXP - Jon (and anyone else), no worries, here 'tis - https://we.tl/t-pSxK0nePZF
― Maresn3st, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 15:21 (four years ago) link
thanks for the link! wow, this recording sounds great for an audience recording.
― avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 17:59 (four years ago) link
Yeah! There's mention of binaural mics in the notes, presumably attached to a hat or maybe shirt lapels, as the notes say the taper moves around quite a bit so the perspective changes around, so it's probably best not listened to on headphones.
― Maresn3st, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 19:03 (four years ago) link
Headphones are my only option so I’ll prepare myself for some wanderkopf!
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 19:36 (four years ago) link
Cheers again for the link, that's a great show... a little sad it wasn't the full Black Sunday, but it's got a nice selection of Broadsword tracks and is a nice change from the songs that dominated a lot of the mid-late 70s sets on the deluxe reissues. Ian a little less talkative than usual, maybe that was edited out?
I've been listening to the 80s albums for the last few days... Crest of a Knave, Catfish Rising, Rock Island. Catfish definitely the strongest of the three, but wow do they ever sound like Dire Straits!
― avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Monday, 27 April 2020 16:14 (four years ago) link
I found a cassette on the curb the other day, a bootleg of a Jethro Tull show from the Philadelphia Spectrum, March 8, 1975. Sound quality is, well, take a guess! But I got through it all. Setlist as follows:
Side A1. Wind-Up2. Passion Play3. Thick as a Brick4. Wond'ring Aloud5. My God6. Bouree7. Living in the Past8. Sea Lion 19. Skating Away...
Side B10. Ladies11. War Child12. Reasons for Waiting13. Cross-Eyed Mary14. Bungle in the Jungle15. Aqualung16. Backdoor Angels
― henry s, Monday, 27 April 2020 17:30 (four years ago) link
I can listen to Crest of a Knave but Rock Island and Catfish Rising are beyond my capabilities. Roots to Branches a real return to form imo
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 28 April 2020 12:15 (four years ago) link
I don't think any of Tull's albums is really bad. The Stand Up - Stormwatch (arguably Broadsword) run is pretty amazing all-through and some later ones are less memorable overall (and may include more average songs) but there's quality stuff to be found on every record if you ask me.
I've often heard complaints on Ian's later voice, I don't know, I find that he loses his sneer which may have added some well-working venom to classic Tull but instead sings with more beauty on later works, such as his solo stuff like Secret Language of Birds.
I'd say Under Wraps is the weakest album. Martin Barre apparently rates that one very highly, so what do I know.
And yes: there's several 80s songs where they could easily be mistaken for Dire Straits but still I find JT at their weakest waaaay more exciting than DS at their strongest.
― Valentijn, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 12:52 (four years ago) link
Has this been posted before?
There's a podcast called 'Talk Tull To Me' that goes through every song in chronological/album order, I listened to a bit of one last night and the two guys (natch) sound like fairly normal human beings chatting about JT, instead of two bored narcissists blabbing on about a load of in-jokes and irrelevant shit.
The episode I heard a bit of, 'Look Into The Sun', sounded decent, I will give it a proper listen although I remain a little sceptical, what can you say for 30+ mins about 'Cheap Day Return' for instance?
― Maresn3st, Monday, 4 May 2020 15:02 (four years ago) link
good point, bad example... that song is pivotal
― avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Monday, 4 May 2020 15:37 (four years ago) link
Nothing against CDR, it's one of my favourites and the story behind it is affecting iirc, but idk, half an hour of discourse?
― Maresn3st, Monday, 4 May 2020 16:05 (four years ago) link
https://www.loudersound.com/news/ian-anderson-im-suffering-from-an-incurable-lung-disease
Ian Anderson has COPD apparently, which might explain some of the vocal issues of recent years. Hope he manages it for some time to come, it's not the best condition to suffer from.
― zoom séance goes tits up (Matt #2), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 22:44 (four years ago) link
poor guy, I hope he stays healthy for as long as possible... I know people who have had COPD for quite a while that still, for example, work full-time. that said, my guess would be less fog machines than 35-40 years of exposure to secondhand smoke.
― avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 22:58 (four years ago) link
Hey all, thought some of you might like this, I saw it go up recently, quality is pretty good, the taper was one of the more well thought of guys doing the rounds back then, I believe he would hide his recording gear in a wheelchair -
Jethro TullThe ForumInglewood, CAFebruary 9, 1975Mike Millard Original Master Tapes via JEMS
01 Minstrel In The Gallery Guitar Solo Intro02 Wind Up03 Critique Oblique04 Thick As A Brick05 Wond’ring Aloud06 My God > Flute Solo07 Sealion08 Skating Away On The Thin Ice Of The New Day09 Ladies10 Drum Solo11 War Child12 War Child Suite13 Cross-Eyed Mary14 Bungle In The Jungle15 The Story Of The Hare Who Lost His Spectacles16 Aqualung17 Guitar Solo18 Back-Door Angels19 Locomotive Breath20 Hard Headed English General21 Back-Door Angels Reprise
https://we.tl/t-Sc5Dzam4FG
― Maresn3st, Thursday, 14 May 2020 11:33 (four years ago) link
Psyched! Was just listening to the prior gift!
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Friday, 15 May 2020 03:01 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th80xJbWAIg
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 7 June 2020 19:02 (three years ago) link