― morris pavilion (samjeff), Monday, 19 April 2004 22:07 (twenty years ago) link
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Monday, 19 April 2004 22:15 (twenty years ago) link
― lovebug starski, Monday, 19 April 2004 22:15 (twenty years ago) link
― lovebug starski, Monday, 19 April 2004 22:17 (twenty years ago) link
'Chinese Rock' was a song by Dee Dee Ramone.
Listen to Sonic Youth's cover of 'Personality Crisis'.
― Sasha (sgh), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 04:07 (twenty years ago) link
― morris pavilion (samjeff), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 06:17 (twenty years ago) link
Was I having nightmares or did I really read somewhere that the late Mr Genzele's replacement for this - ahem - Frankenstein creation with a Personality Crisis, is actually going to be Chrissie "Bad Girl" Hynde?
Of course, I will go and see 'em if I get the chance....
Incidentally, my understanding is that Dee Dee wrote the lyrics to Chinese Rock but the Ramones refused to record it so Richard Hell finished it off when he was working with Jerry Nolan and Johnny Thunders in the first incarnation of The Heartbreakers. There are demos of this version about.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 09:12 (twenty years ago) link
It's even moreso "Sister Morphine" by the Rolling Stones.
my understanding is that Dee Dee wrote the lyrics to Chinese Rock but the Ramones refused to record it so Richard Hell finished it off when he was working with Jerry Nolan and Johnny Thunders in the first incarnation of The Heartbreakers. There are demos of this version about.
It appears on the Time 2CD retrospective of Hell's work that Matador put out a couple years back, so its not hard to find. It's probably my favourite version of the song. In Hell's essay in the CD booklet, he points out what he wrote (the last two verses, if yr interested) and touches on the writing controversy (after he left the Heartbreakers, they took a writing credit on it).
― Vic Funk, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 09:42 (twenty years ago) link
I know what you mean but bet a lot of those groups never even heard of the New York Dolls. Maybe they indirectly took their Dollish elements from KISS and Aerosmith.
― Carlos Keith (Buck_Wilde), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:40 (eighteen years ago) link
WHOA THERE MR. DIAMOND CIRCA TWO THOUSAND THREE. JERRY NOLAN WAS A KILLER DRUMMER.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 18 May 2006 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 18 May 2006 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link
Yeah, i remember Duff was the one really talking up what he was originally calling 'the punk album'. Other than that, I don't know whose songs were whose.
― Carlos Keith (Buck_Wilde), Thursday, 18 May 2006 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― Monty Von Byonga (Monty Von Byonga), Thursday, 18 May 2006 23:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― MVB (Monty Von Byonga), Thursday, 18 May 2006 23:50 (eighteen years ago) link
i too impatient to read this thread but i am listening to the dolls and "private world" is fucking great. and it's nice to see the name vic funk on a thread.
― chicago kevin, Saturday, 14 June 2008 04:37 (fifteen years ago) link
http://mediaconfidential.blogspot.com/2013/02/rip-record-producer-shadow-morton-dead.html
― curmudgeon, Friday, 15 February 2013 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
RIP. Dude also had a pretty cool solo 45 as Shadow Mann:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11xvtrmRuM8
― Uncle Sam is... ...No Daddy! (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 16 February 2013 04:09 (eleven years ago) link
I'll never forget him (the leader of the pack): RIP Shadow Morton
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 17 February 2013 21:55 (eleven years ago) link
Marty Thau passed away over the weekend -- managed the Dolls, worked with Suicide, Blondie, Richard Hell, etc. One of those behind the scenes movers and shakers! RIP.
― tylerw, Monday, 17 February 2014 21:38 (ten years ago) link
rip
― g simmel, Monday, 17 February 2014 22:00 (ten years ago) link
http://s.pixogs.com/image/L-39551-1335926388.jpegpretty stellar track record right here: http://www.discogs.com/label/39551-Red-Star-Records
― tylerw, Monday, 17 February 2014 22:03 (ten years ago) link
I didn't know about this 'til recently. Got some of it, but must hear whole thing--and read it; Ace did a bunch of interviews for the booklet.https://acerecords.co.uk/images/ACE-ShadowMortonStor.jpg
― dow, Monday, 17 February 2014 22:25 (ten years ago) link
(I'll have to get used to the Vanilla Fudge all over again...)
― dow, Monday, 17 February 2014 22:27 (ten years ago) link
Merry Late Ex'ass from Shadow and duh guise:http://31.media.tumblr.com/d7221084fc80de62935e1eb9288babc8/tumblr_mibwpb1c7O1s3ihwto1_500.jpg
― dow, Monday, 17 February 2014 22:33 (ten years ago) link
Oops: ExM'ass, that is. Pardon!
― dow, Monday, 17 February 2014 22:34 (ten years ago) link
I'm always surprised by how poorly the Dolls fare whenever they turn up here on one of those yearly Acclaimed Music polls or something similar. Usually, they get no votes. They were a very big deal for a few years after the first British punk bands came along, but that's long gone (as opposed to say, Television or Wire, who generally do well). Too bad. (About the Dolls, I mean--no quarrel with the other two.)
― clemenza, Monday, 17 February 2014 22:34 (ten years ago) link
I exaggerate. In a 2007 poll, they tied for first with four votes; in 2011, there was a poll with a bigger turnout, and they finished tied for seventh with five votes (the winner drew 16); and in 2013, they finished tied for sixth with four votes (winner had 14). So they do okay.
― clemenza, Monday, 17 February 2014 22:40 (ten years ago) link
Plus the most recent one, late 2013, where "Personality Crisis" finished way down the list with two votes (eight for the winner). That must have been the one on my mind.
― clemenza, Monday, 17 February 2014 22:43 (ten years ago) link
Thau is getting lotsa love from folks commenting on Billy M & Miriam L of Norton Records facebook pages. But yea, Norton Records is not exactly young kid ilx friendly
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 14:49 (ten years ago) link
20 years ago i read mr thau's unpublished memoir-in-progress, allegedly considering an excerpt for the slick gen-x style magazine i worked for then. not esp well-written but chock full of great ny rock war stories. of course my bosses had no intention of using, it was a make-work project but i felt lucky to have read. RIP, sir
― Didi Bombonato (m coleman), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 16:24 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lKWZ3Ohod0
― Pentatonic's Rendezvous Band (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 01:48 (ten years ago) link
http://www.wnyc.org/story/making-music-critic/
See the first comment.
― Mon-El in the Middle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 February 2015 18:19 (nine years ago) link
geez, i wonder what she would have said if her son's first effort with the band hadn't gotten an A+?
― Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 23 February 2015 18:56 (nine years ago) link
Ha, yes, exactly. I am assuming she is completely unaware of that. The ironing.
― Mon-El in the Middle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 February 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
his bro is a kickass bass player who looks just like him. saw him back southside johnny maybe?
― Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 23 February 2015 21:37 (nine years ago) link
Might well have been. This project looks interesting: http://www.earlyeltontrio.com/bio_john_conte.html
― Mon-El in the Middle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 February 2015 21:43 (nine years ago) link
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec09/articles/classictracks_1209.htm
Jack Douglas:
"It doesn't sound good at all, but there's something about it that just works. I mean, I knew it wasn't sounding good when I was doing it, and you couldn't ask them, 'Let's get a sound on this.' You just couldn't. They had no patience for getting a sound on anything. 'Is there sound going through the microphone into the board?' 'Yes.' 'Well, that's good.'
― lute bro (brimstead), Saturday, 16 January 2016 10:37 (eight years ago) link
Box Set Coming: https://www.cherryred.co.uk/product/new-york-dolls-personality-crisis-live-recordings-studio-demos-1972-1975-5cd-remastered-box-set/
― ...some of y'all too woke to function (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 16 March 2018 15:19 (six years ago) link
Great but got it already.
First two discs are the Private World set on Castle (notwithstanding the obvious typos).
Third & forth discs are a straight copy of the From Here to Eternity set on Norton.
― everything, Friday, 16 March 2018 17:34 (six years ago) link
Syl has cancer.
https://www.gofundme.com/sylvain-sylvain-of-ny-dolls-medical-support-fund?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fb_dn_postdonate_r&fbclid=IwAR3Bz7Z_kfZogjtStqFsWUjcokX5BN0mR_c1C8X1k59OjVBvCOeQdJAJ1NY
― Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 29 April 2019 16:52 (five years ago) link
Oh right, had seen some mention of a medical support fund on Facebook.His memoir was really good, read it a couple of months ago and would recommend it.Need to get the Jerry Nolan memoir too.
― Stevolende, Monday, 29 April 2019 18:04 (five years ago) link
the nolan book was readable and well researched, but has the same sad downward trajectory as other books about addicts. agree about syl's book. it's a much more personal and idiosyncratic journey.
― Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 29 April 2019 20:39 (five years ago) link
is it a challop to say their recorded output is pretty crap, barring a couple songs?
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 7 November 2019 21:48 (four years ago) link
A band I've always wanted to like more than I actually do. "Trash" and "Jet Boy" are great singles though. This Old Grey Whistle Test performance is pretty spectacular too
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbd-BcuPvLA
― The World According To.... (Michael B), Thursday, 7 November 2019 21:54 (four years ago) link
yeah I've seen that, it is entertaining. They just kinda didn't have the songs or the performances when it came to making records. Personally p much all I need from the first album are the first two tracks.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 7 November 2019 22:00 (four years ago) link
Took me ages to get into all the album tracks, especially from the first one.
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 7 November 2019 22:01 (four years ago) link
it's not so much as a challop as it is something you would respond to one of those terrible twitter threads that's like YOUR UNPOPULAR MUSIC OPINIONS: GO
― na (NA), Thursday, 7 November 2019 22:07 (four years ago) link