Glenn can add his nominations to that, lol
― Dog Is Daed (Oor Neechy), Saturday, 7 December 2019 02:08 (four years ago) link
Glenn's 3300 nominations added to google docs but I'm fucked if I'm going to sort through that taking out the duplicates.
That's what co-runners are for! ;)
― Dog Is Daed (Oor Neechy), Saturday, 7 December 2019 02:13 (four years ago) link
So, ballots can be top 3,000 this year then?
― Tom Violence (Extended Club Mix) (Tom Violence), Saturday, 7 December 2019 02:14 (four years ago) link
Just put all the nominations in the order you prefer.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 7 December 2019 03:00 (four years ago) link
What's the rule for albums that came out late in 2018 (well, November) and we didn't hear it in time for last year's poll, though someone did, because it was totally nominated and got exactly one vote? Can it be nominated again this year?
― o. nate, Saturday, 7 December 2019 03:00 (four years ago) link
nah the poll was ran after xmas iirc so it was out in time.
though tbh i dont really care so lets leave it up to pomenitul
― Dog Is Daed (Oor Neechy), Saturday, 7 December 2019 03:13 (four years ago) link
Given the sheer influx of noms so far, I say we stick to the rules. Dura lex, sed lex. Sorry, nate.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 7 December 2019 08:21 (four years ago) link
Also some of these aren't from 2019, it seems, e.g. Almetal's Legado de acero.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 7 December 2019 08:30 (four years ago) link
I'm really sorry, glenn, but way too many of your noms aren't from 2019. It would take days to properly sort them out, and none of us have that kind of time, I'm afraid, so I'm going to have to reset the clock by removing your last set (the stuff that isn't filtered by your own taste, as you put it).
― pomenitul, Saturday, 7 December 2019 09:08 (four years ago) link
I heard 2 seconds of something through someone's car window last Friday - can I nominate that? It was great!
― Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Saturday, 7 December 2019 10:56 (four years ago) link
Facetious Saturday morning post there but, christ, how on EARTH does one have time to a) listen to that much music and ii) form a reliable opinion on said music?
This is partly envy I guess; I do (sort of) miss my office job where I would amass vast EOY lists.
― Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Saturday, 7 December 2019 10:59 (four years ago) link
Since we have no choice but to discount glenn's overwhelming last set (apologies, once again), please check the spreadsheet before nominating your picks. Ctrl + f'ing in this thread is bound to be misleading.
I've incidentally removed all pre-2019 albums (including those that came out in December 2018), all reissues and anything to be released in 2020. As for genre, taxonomy and the like, the field is open (for the most part).
― pomenitul, Saturday, 7 December 2019 10:59 (four years ago) link
Abyssic - High the MemoryÆnigmatum - ÆnigmatumAkrotheism - The Law of Seven DeathsAndavald - Undir skyggðarhaldiAsphodelus - Stygian DreamsBelenos - ArgoatDarkenhöld / Griffon - Atra MusicaDesecresy - Towards NebulaeEsoctrilihum - The Telluric Ashes of the Ö Vrth Immemorial GodsHerxheim - Cultivating Throne of FurHWWAUOCH - Into the Labyrinth of ConsciousnessIgnivomous - HieroglossiaImperial Cult - Spasm of LightInculter - Fatal VisionsMaestus - DeliquesceMgła - Age of ExcuseMylingar - Döda själarOrodruin - Ruins of EternityOssuaire - Derniers chantsPanzerfaust - The Suns of Perdition - Chapter I: War, Horrid WarRingarë - Under Pale MoonSinners Bleed - AbsolutionSuperstition - The Anatomy of Unholy TransformationSur Austru - Meteahna timpurilorTroll - Legend MasterUltra Silvam - The Spearwound SalvationUnaussprechlichen Kulten - TeufelsbücherVeiled - In Blinding PresenceWeeping Sores - False Confession
― pomenitul, Saturday, 7 December 2019 11:02 (four years ago) link
Can we just nuke this thread and begin again with a 50-album nomination limit ffs
― imago, Saturday, 7 December 2019 11:04 (four years ago) link
What’s done is done. Let this thread stand as a cautionary tale against those who would advocate absolute freedom (Dostoevsky’s Grand Inquisitor ftw).
― pomenitul, Saturday, 7 December 2019 11:08 (four years ago) link
My big list was filtered on release date >= 2018-12-01. But whatever. I was trying to be helpful.
The shorter list, just for the curious or skeptical, was generated from my Spotify listening history. It was filtered on totalplays >=5, and my listening is overwhelmingly playlist-based, not album-based, so it has many albums that contain songs I liked, but where I may never have played the whole thing. It was a nomination list, not a ballot...
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 7 December 2019 13:16 (four years ago) link
No worries, glenn, it's just a little too much to process on our end. And the release date as it appears on Spotify isn't always accurate, hence the need to google each title, which takes ages as you can imagine.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 7 December 2019 13:22 (four years ago) link
I also like to think of nominations as a curated pre-selection that helps us navigate the sheer glut of yearly releases. So while a limit of 50 may not always be enough, I do think we should try to favour those albums we genuinely enjoyed the most.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 7 December 2019 13:27 (four years ago) link
Glenn was my original co-runner on metal poll btw
― Dog Is Daed (Oor Neechy), Saturday, 7 December 2019 15:49 (four years ago) link
OK now that Glenn's big list has been removed (and apparently memory-holed from the thread as well!), I guess I have some stuff I can nominate after all. I think it makes the nomination process more interactive and informative to see what each person liked enough to nominate, so agree with the decision.
Vastum - Orificial PurgeImprecation - Damnatio Ad BestiasJudiciary - Surface NoiseVircolac - Masque
― o. nate, Saturday, 7 December 2019 17:00 (four years ago) link
(same list but bolded)
― o. nate, Saturday, 7 December 2019 17:01 (four years ago) link
I'd almost forgotten about the Vircolac. Time to listen to it again.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 7 December 2019 17:18 (four years ago) link
Any good doom or atmospheric black metal albums this year I may have missed out on? Looking for recommendations as I've not kept up this year.
― Dog Is Daed (Oor Neechy), Saturday, 7 December 2019 21:18 (four years ago) link
Angel Witch - Angel of LightVenom Prison - SamsaraPutrescine - The One RebornNocturnus A.D. - ParadoxNoisem - Cease to ExistAbigail Williams - Walk Beyond the DarkCasket Huffer - Filth OuroborosDevil Master - Satan Spits on Children of LightMayhem - DaemonExhumed - HorrorSacred Reich - Awakening
― master of nuggets (Neanderthal), Saturday, 7 December 2019 22:20 (four years ago) link
Apologies for duplicates but I have all of my things on two lists (albums I have and albums I want) so here they are.
Abbath - OutstriderAbominism - AbominismAlcest - Spiritual InstinctAmon Amarth - BerserkerAmygdala - Our Voices Will Soar ForeverAseethe - ThroesAsthma Castle - Mount CrushmoreAstronoid - AstronoidAthame - The Burning TimesBaroness - Gold & GrayBAT - Axestasy [EP]Bellrope - You Must RelaxBig Business - The Beast You AreBig|Brave - A Gaze Among ThemBloody Hammers - The SummoningBlut Aus Nord - HallucinogenBotanist - EcosystemBrutus - NestCall of the Void - Buried in LightChelsea Wolfe - Birth of ViolenceCherubs - Immaculada HighCloud Rat - PollinatorCoffins - Beyond the Circular DemiseCRS - The Collector of TruthsCrypt Sermon - The Ruins Of Fading LightCult of Luna - A Dawn to FearDarkthrone - Old StarDead Neanderthals - Ghosts [LP]Dead to a Dying World - ElegyDetherous - Hacked to DeathDiamond Head - The Coffin TrainDie Klute - Planet FearDunkelnacht - Empires Of MediocracyEndon - Boy Meets GirlEred - Evil SorceriesEugenic Death - Under The KnifeExhorder - Mourn The Southern SkiesExumer - Hostile DefianceEye Flys - Context (EP)Falaise - A Place I Don't Belong ToFalls of Rauros - Patterns in MythologyFalse - PortentFull of Hell - Weeping ChoirGatecreeper - DesertedGates to the Morning - Return to EarthGorgon - Veil of DarknessGygax - High FantasyHalshug - DrømHavens - On the Verge of CollapseHot Lunch - SecondsInsanity Alert - 666-PackInter Arma - Sulphur EnglishIron Kingdom - On the HuntL' Acéphale - L' AcéphaleL7 - Scatter the RatsLaceration - RemnantsLingua Ignota - CaligulaLow Dose - Low DoseMagic Circle - Departed SoulsMayhem - DaemonMeads of Asphodel - Running Out of Time Doing NothingNebula - Holy ShitNeptune Power Federation - Memoirs Of A Rat QueenNoisem - Cease to ExistNovembers Doom - Nephilim GroveOgre - Thrice As StrongOrodruin - Ruins of EternityOverkill - The Wings of WarPelican - Nighttime StoriesPetbrick - IPinkish Black - Concet UnificationPolemicist - Zarathustrian ImpressionsPotential Threat SF - Threat to SocietyProfanatica - Rotting Incarnation of GodProfetus - The Sadness Of Time PassingPsychomancer - Shards of the HourglassPythia - The Solace of Ancient EarthQueen Elephantine - GorgonRammstein - RammsteinRottendawn - OccultRussian Circles - Blood YearSacred Reich - Awakening Sanhedrin - The PoisonerSlipknot - We Are Not Your KindStarcrawler - Devour YouSuicidal Angels - Years Of AggressionSwans - Leaving MeaningThe Lord Weird Slough Feg - New OrganonThe Rods - Brotherhood of MetalTomb Mold - Planetary ClairvoyanceTool - Fear InoculumTorche - AdmissionToxic Holocaust - Primal Future: 2019Twin Temple - Bring you their Signature Sound… Satanic Doo-WopTýr - HelUltar - Pantheon MMXIX [LP]Ultra Silvam - The Spearwound SalvationUniform & The Body - Everything That Dies Someday Comes BackVenom Prison - SamsaraViolet Cold - kOsmikWhite Ward - Love Exchange FailureWidower - Cataclysmic SorceryYatra - Death RitualZeal & Ardor - Live in LondonZig Zags - They'll Never Take Us Alive
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Saturday, 7 December 2019 23:40 (four years ago) link
there's a band called petbrick? Is the lead singer Father Jack Hackett?
― Dog Is Daed (Oor Neechy), Sunday, 8 December 2019 00:43 (four years ago) link
I'm rubbish at keeping up with this but at Oor Neechy's request here are 20 punk and hardcore nominations:
Ausmuteants - Present The World In HandcuffsAxe Rash - S/TBad Breeding - ExiledBriefs - Platinum RatsCyberplasm - The Psychic HologramDiat - Positive DisintegrationFreeze - Calling All CreaturesGame - No One WinsHeadsplitters - S/TKaleidoscope - After The FuturesKohti Tuhoa - Ihmisen KasvotL.O.T.I.O.N. - World Wide W.E.B.La Rabbia - Shock TacticsNosferatu - Solution AObsessio - S/TPhysique - The Evolution Of CombatScab Eater - Ultra ViresScrap Brain - A Journey Into MadnessSlaughter Boys - S/TWhipping Post - Spurn Point
― Colonel Poo, Sunday, 8 December 2019 00:55 (four years ago) link
ah shit I forgot to bold them
A couple more:
Aver - Orbis MajoraCoffin Rot - A Monument to the Dead
― o. nate, Sunday, 8 December 2019 01:18 (four years ago) link
<b>Vanum - Ageless FireWilderun - Veil of ImaginationPinkish Black - Concept UnificationIdle Hands - ManaSpirit Adrift - Divided By DarknessLord Dying - Mysterium TremendumBlackwater Holylight - Veils of WinterXoth - Interdimensional Invocations</b>
― alpine static, Sunday, 8 December 2019 10:06 (four years ago) link
sheesh.
well, as long as i'm posting "sheesh" ... apologies if there are any duplicates here. i tried to search against the thread, but *not* glenn's big list ... and hopefully that's the correct way to do it.
― alpine static, Sunday, 8 December 2019 10:07 (four years ago) link
Vanum - Ageless FireWilderun - Veil of ImaginationPinkish Black - Concept UnificationIdle Hands - ManaSpirit Adrift - Divided By DarknessLord Dying - Mysterium TremendumBlackwater Holylight - Veils of WinterXoth - Interdimensional Invocations
― alpine static, Sunday, 8 December 2019 10:08 (four years ago) link
Personal faves:
Abyssic - High the Memory (symph death/doom)Andavald - Undir skyggðarhaldi (depressive/atmo black)Asphodelus - Stygian Dreams (death/doom)Desecresy - Towards Nebulae (death/doom)Esoteric - A Pyrrhic Existence (funeral doom)Imperial Cult - Spasm of Light (atmo black)Maestus - Deliquesce (funeral doom)Nightfell - A Sanity Deranged (death/doom)Orodruin - Ruins of Eternity (trad doom)Ringarë - Under Pale Moon (atmo black)Troll - Legend Master (epic doom)Weeping Sores - False Confession (death/doom)
― pomenitul, Sunday, 8 December 2019 10:22 (four years ago) link
Terminal Cheesecake - Le sacre du lièvreThe Cosmic Dead - Scottish Space RaceMultishiva - SavupäiväPH - Osiris HaydenHibushibire - Turn On, Tune In, Freak Out!Psychedelic Speed Freaks - Psychedelic Speed FreaksDhidalah - Threshold 発端
The Fly Pan Am album is blackgaze enough to qualify, right?
― the oxford book of chaos (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 9 December 2019 08:11 (four years ago) link
Sure, pourquoi pas? I've added it.
― pomenitul, Monday, 9 December 2019 09:53 (four years ago) link
Sweet! Merci
― the oxford book of chaos (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 9 December 2019 10:39 (four years ago) link
I think it counts yeah we welcome all forms of metal and adjacent
― Dog Is Daed (Oor Neechy), Monday, 9 December 2019 16:14 (four years ago) link
Holy Fawn - Death SpellsCar Bomb - MordialMicrowave - Death is a Warm BlanketLa Dispute - PanoramaOozing Wound - High AnxietyHaunter - Sacramental Death Qualis
― Simon H., Monday, 9 December 2019 16:22 (four years ago) link
That Holy Fawn album is awesome but it came out in September last year, I'm afraid.
― pomenitul, Monday, 9 December 2019 16:24 (four years ago) link
ah, it's a 2019 release on Spotify. year of impact??
― Simon H., Monday, 9 December 2019 16:26 (four years ago) link
I nommed it and voted for it in last year's poll, so I'm inclined to say no. Besides, you discovered it on the 19th of November 2018. Exhibit A:
Rolling Metal 2018
;)
― pomenitul, Monday, 9 December 2019 16:29 (four years ago) link
damn my memory is slipping :/
― Simon H., Monday, 9 December 2019 16:31 (four years ago) link
I love it when my 2 co-runners fight over technicalities and I have to make a decision. Oh the power.
― Dog Is Daed (Oor Neechy), Monday, 9 December 2019 17:30 (four years ago) link
I'm happy to dis-include it
― Simon H., Monday, 9 December 2019 17:37 (four years ago) link
Sorry for the big add - but I didn't see these on the google spreadsheet:
Ceremony of Silence - Oútis Serpent Column - Mirror in Darkness Critical Defiance - MisconceptionEpitaphe - IOssuarium - Living TombMonkey3 - SphereKrypts - Cadaver CirculationWitches of God - Into the Heart of DarknessSentient Horror - Morbid RealmsMortiferum - Disgorged From Psychotic DepthsTraveler - TravelerAltar of Oblivion - The Seven SpiritsLord Vicar - The Black PowderInfernal Conjuration - Infernale Metallum MortisHath - Of Rot and RuinRunemagick - Into Desolate RealmsWarforged - I:VoiceBatushka - PanihidaDawn Ray'd - Behold Sedition PlaninsongAtaraxie - ResignesUndeath - Sentient AutolysisNile - Vile Nilotic Rites Ares Kingdom - By the Light of Their DestructionNordjevel - NecrogenesisImpure - Satan's EclipseGorge - Land BridgeFunereal Presence - AchatiusSacri Monti - Waiting Room for the Magic HourCreeping Death - Wretched IllusionsVehemence - Par le sang verséDefacement - DeviantHideous Divinity - SimulacrumLunar Shadow - The Smokeless FiresConcrete Winds - Primitive ForceMoral Scepter - Where Light SuffocatesLurid Panacea - The Insidious PoisonsState Faults - ClairvoyantTown Portal - Of ViolencePig's Blood - A Flock SlaughteredFulci - Tropical SunReveal - ScissorgodFetid - Steeping Corporeal MessNecropanther - The Doomed CityVitriol - To Bathe From the Throat of Cowardice Akasha - Canticles of the Sepulchral DeityFeral Light - Fear Rides A ShadowWerian - AnimistDjevel - Ormer til armer, maane til hode Wheel - Moving BackwardsShabti - Trembling and ShornSeer - Vol. 6Opprobrium - The Fallen EntitiesMalignant Altar - Retribution of Jealous GodsGod Disease - Drifting Towards Inevitable DeathWitch Trail - The Sun Has Left The HillFvneral Fvkk - Carnal ConfessionsArchivist - TriumvirateArnaut Pavle - Arnaut PavleMystifier - Protogoni mavri magiki dynasteiaPurification - Destruction of the WickedEnforced - At The WallsAge of the Wolf - Ouroboric TrancesSxuperion - Endless Spiritual EmbodimentLaster - Het wassen oogProtector - Summon The Hordes
― BlackIronPrison, Monday, 9 December 2019 17:47 (four years ago) link
You may want to bold those next time but I'll add them anyway.
Some excellent stuff in there btw.
― pomenitul, Monday, 9 December 2019 17:50 (four years ago) link
Deathchant - DeathchantDeiquisitor - Towards Our Impending DoomGolgot - Estrangement I: FloodlineHellvetron - Trident of Tartarean GatewaysJade - Smoking MirrorKing Gizzard And The Lizard Wizard - Infest the Rats' NestLight Dweller - Incandescent CrucifixRainbow Grave - No YouRipper - Sensory StagnationRuin - Death TombSaint Vitus - Saint VitusSmoulder - Times of Obscene Evil and Wild DaringSuffering Hour - DwellTristengrav - II: NychavgeTriumvir Foul - Urine of Abomination
Anyone have any qualms about me adding the Molasses EP? Farida Lemouchi's new band, psych-y occult-y rock stuff.
― "Third of the Storms" Jazz (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 11:55 (four years ago) link
Not at all, I'll add it to the master list. And thanks for the noms! I've only heard the Deiquisitor out of that lot.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 12:01 (four years ago) link
A few more
Witchbones - The Seas of DraugenDemon Head - Hellfire Ocean VoidSempiternal Dusk - Cenotaph of Defectuous CreationLvcifyre - SacramentFather Befouled - Holy Rotten BloodBolzer - Lese Majesty
Are we campaigning in this thread or is that going to be separate?
― "Third of the Storms" Jazz (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:29 (four years ago) link
I think we're supposed to wait for the next thread (correct me if I'm wrong, ON), but I'm not averse to getting started immediately, if only because of the batty volume of music we'll theoretically have to process.
Any objections?
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 13:33 (four years ago) link
Oh also I guess this is the proper notation
Jorge Elbrecht - Coral Cross - 002
― PLEB AF (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 3 January 2020 20:07 (four years ago) link
10 000 Russos - Kompromat
Heh. Didn't expect these guys to be from Porto.
― pomenitul, Friday, 3 January 2020 20:13 (four years ago) link
Sorry, I didn't listen to that many new metal releases this year and all the ones I did have been nominated, I think.
― Un sang impur (Sund4r), Friday, 3 January 2020 22:22 (four years ago) link
Fair enough. Just making sure…
― pomenitul, Friday, 3 January 2020 22:46 (four years ago) link
Shin Guard - 2020
― gman59, Friday, 3 January 2020 23:01 (four years ago) link
tt is getting me to do some nominations as she says you always miss loads of things she likes. and it turns out you do
Rashōmon - Pathogen XJohn Garcia - John Garcia and the Band of GoldHermóðr - Forest SkyIthaca - The Language of InjuryNuvolascura - NuvolascuraSYU - VORVADOSDevin Townsend - EmpathHexvessel - All TreeGum Takes Tooth - Borrowed LiesEquipoise - DemiurgusShinguard - 2020Gathering of Kings - First MissionShow Me The Body - DogwhistleMdou Moctar - Ilana the CreatorWoe - A Violent DreadOtoboke Beaver - Itekoma Hits
...and that's just from the first half of the year! More to follow...
lol one of these just got xposted. try and anticipate some of July-December's haul for bonus points
― imago, Friday, 3 January 2020 23:08 (four years ago) link
I really like that Mdou Moctar album but it's a bit of a stretch tbh (then again, so are plenty of other noms).
― pomenitul, Friday, 3 January 2020 23:11 (four years ago) link
I did add it to the spreadsheet, in case you were wondering.
― pomenitul, Friday, 3 January 2020 23:15 (four years ago) link
Bergraven - Det Framlidna MinnetChevalier - Destiny CallsSadness - Circle of VeinsThe Callous Daoboys - Die On MarsBlanck Mass - Animated Violence MildMefitis - Ember DawnThe Fërtility Cült - KosmodysseiaThe Number Twelve Looks Like You - Wild Gods
― imago, Friday, 3 January 2020 23:59 (four years ago) link
There might be some more if we're allowed beyond midnight
― imago, Saturday, 4 January 2020 00:00 (four years ago) link
We are magnanimous.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 4 January 2020 00:12 (four years ago) link
Blanck Mass tho? Pffff.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 4 January 2020 00:13 (four years ago) link
Deveneror - KenomaQuercus - VerferumVeldes - FlamelessGriefloss - GrieflossCsejthe - L'Horreur de ČachticeBleach Birth - Caesarian TapestriesFreighter - The DenUSA/Mexico - MatamorosSadisme - Festering in Telepathic CommunionPetrichor - IIGruzja - I Iść DalejIfernach - V. WastowDeparture Chandelier - Antichrist Rise to PowerYhdarl - MorbusInternal Rot - Hack Session
― imago, Saturday, 4 January 2020 00:32 (four years ago) link
there are enough things that are really quite good in these last-minute posts that i think the 'pffff' can be returned with interest tbh
but yeah all of this courtesy of tt's insane listening and logging schedule throughout the year
― imago, Saturday, 4 January 2020 00:33 (four years ago) link
if I may, the Freighter and all the Quebecois BM were sounding lovely
― imago, Saturday, 4 January 2020 00:34 (four years ago) link
All shall be allowed through.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 4 January 2020 00:37 (four years ago) link
Ohhh I forgot Sordide had an album out this year:
Sordide - Hier Déjà Mort
― PLEB AF (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 4 January 2020 01:10 (four years ago) link
Wolf Whistle - Private HellFury - Failed EntertainmentRiot City - Burn The NightHoly Serpent - EndlessNever Ending Game - Just Another DayDead Heat - Certain DeathDesert Sessions - Desert Sessions Volume 11 & 12
― billstevejim, Saturday, 4 January 2020 01:33 (four years ago) link
Jocko - ExpressionCement Shoes - TooThree Knee Deep - Promo 2019
― billstevejim, Saturday, 4 January 2020 01:38 (four years ago) link
Still open until seandalai's cleaver strikes.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 4 January 2020 16:18 (four years ago) link
yeah metal noms are open til seandalai sets up the voting form
― Dog Is Daed (Oor Neechy), Saturday, 4 January 2020 16:33 (four years ago) link
last calls
― Dog Is Daed (Oor Neechy), Saturday, 4 January 2020 19:38 (four years ago) link
Julie's Haircut - In the Silence Electric
― PLEB AF (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 4 January 2020 20:40 (four years ago) link
Here it is: 2019 Metal ’n’ Heavy Rock Poll: VOTING & CAMPAIGNING thread (open until the 7th of February)
― pomenitul, Sunday, 5 January 2020 00:55 (four years ago) link
Mods, could you please lock this thread?