amanda palmer's open poem to jonathan chait (and other crimes)

She makes me dislike Neil Gaiman.

honest to god i think this board is the only place I've ever heard Amanda Palmer's name

^^^this

xp Yes! It's a weird feeling, but now I wonder about what Gaiman is really like as a person, versus just enjoying his writing. Feel like over the years, his blog posts painted a relatively humble, interesting guy, whereas I would activate a "Black Mirror" filter for Palmer.

Gaiman's writing is very bad

(having re-read all of Sandman recently)

Amanda Palmer Now Just Going Door-to-Door Trying to Shock People

— S.I. Rosenbaum (@sirosenbaum) November 21, 2019

honest to god i think this board is the only place I've ever heard Amanda Palmer's name

^^^this

― Οὖτις, Thursday, November 21, 2019

I have to remind myself who she is, often by checking this board.

Hey remember that time Amanda Palmer decided to do disability cosplay and one disabled feminist fan was like “wtf” and Palmer was like “lol” at the idea of a disabled feminist and her fans piled on the disabled fan and basically told her to kill herself while Palmer did nothing?

— Malice Walker (@humblecore) November 21, 2019

once when amanda palmer was coming to town an acquaintance of my ex-wife - who she hadn't seen in a couple of years - sent her, and seemingly everyone in his phone, a street teamy type text promoting the show. i thought it was very weird at the time, though now i see that it was probably solicited by amanda herself.

when things like this thread make me check out her music to remind myself what she sounds like, I'm always reminded of that old thing about "good and original, but the good parts are not original and the original parts are not good"

i thought it was about conjoined twins? Like, the way I heard it, it was super absurdist and not actually mocking disabled people? And also on that thread, there's some link to some problematic celebrity tumblr that cites one of her crimes as using the "r-word" in a song .... like 15-20 years ago, when it wasn't the same kind of horrible insensitive dick move it is now ... While it is fun and easy to have everything someone you think is horrible actually be horrible, (and that is one of the few joys of our current president ... he is so consistently horrible), I feel like some of her alleged "crimes" are actually nbd and are cases of: applying contemporary standards to historical actions, people being over-sensitive, and people engaging in the completely human behavior of deciding the worst about someone just because they hate that person.

not to conflate the "r-word" thing with the other listed "n-word" thing, which is ... nah, she definitely doesn't get a pass for that, not even if it was 1999 or whatever.

just checked out her spotify and was a bit weirded out to see that one her most listened to songs is called 'Leeds United'

here's the thrilling back story:

In an interview with Songfacts, Palmer explained that "Leeds United" was inspired by losing a Leeds United football shirt that was given to her by Ricky Wilson of the English band Kaiser Chiefs.[12]

can happily report that the song itself is suitably shit btw

not a patch on "leeds united calypso"

had to google that and oh christ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkcoCka5fuQ

xxpost from what I read it was more her responses and tweets following and sicc'ing her hive on the blog author and then mocking "disabled feminists" on Twitter and in a TV interview

Think I saw someone on twitter say similar, but why the fuck was there a petition to stop Kanye covering Bowie and not AP? She is a thousand times worse in every way.

it’s bigger

I try not to think about her. I did see her at the Bowie Proms in London a few years ago and she did Blackstar quite well but the rest of her output and her persona I just can't abide. That said, I've known several people like this in my life. And some of them I hated, and some of them I quite liked. They are narcissists and think they are the smartest people in the room; sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. But it's not just narcissism, there's something else wrong with them. I can't quite put my finger on it. At any rate these days I avoid people like this, they are a time suck.

I like Neil Gaiman's books for the most part. I try not to think about him being married to her. I have a friend who plays music with her as well, and I also try to not think about that.

xp than you

Amanda hasn't covered Losing My Religion, but she's got a six-minute take on Everybody Hurts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG8xOT-mIgU

the thing that never seems to stick to amanda palmer is that the voice you hear between tracks on “who killed amanda palmer” is a recording of her boyfriend finding her body from when she faked commiting suicide

— #3 sisterwife but #1 in his heart (@TamikaVST) November 22, 2019

wait what

gotta wonder how long they stayed together after that

😬

she is VILE. there's video of her telling the story herself & she keeps saying "i was 18" as a mea culpa but you can tell that she thinks it was ~real art~ (hence putting it on the album even though the bf died from suicide 6 months later)

— #3 sisterwife but #1 in his heart (@TamikaVST) November 22, 2019

the fuck

goddamn

That was the story that REALLY tipped me over into "fuck this person" territory

pour one out for all the narcissists who didn't amass global fanbases

I suddenly want her to record Kanye's "Runaway"

kanye is at least a narcissist who occasionally creates good art

I believe you mean "created"

beaten to the punch

all true

I'm skipping around on Who Killed Amanda Palmer now and can't hear any interstitial faked suicides, so maybe she has thought better of it since and removed them?

I did hear a Dresden Dolls song I liked once but that doesn't make up for how much of a dick she was during my friends' opera cabaret

I've known several people like this in my life. And some of them I hated, and some of them I quite liked. They are narcissists and think they are the smartest people in the room; sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. But it's not just narcissism, there's something else wrong with them. I can't quite put my finger on it. At any rate these days I avoid people like this, they are a time suck.

I’ve known a few ppl like this past and present and it wipes me out being around them bc they’re often v charismatic and in even small social circles demanding w/r/t attention and very careful about their self image, and if you’re around them you can feel the vortex swirling towards them the entire time. I’ve learned how to handle the ones I presently know, in terms of not being affected by it, but several of these ppl have been very close friends. And it is difficult; I think for me the “something else” is that their “generosity” and “hospitality” often seems to be a way that they’ll ensure they remain the center of attention, and for a couple of them the bonds of friendship are only as powerful as how you can make them look better or fit into the particular image they want to project at that time.

I've lived with ppl like this and the pattern of "oh, you want to calmly explain why you didn't support me unconditionally means YOU are the angry one and I'm being attacked" is both tiring and can perpetuate some half-assed stockholm syndrome if you continue to be in their presence.

Uuuuggghhhh she is truly the worst thing to happen to Amandas since that atrocious Boston song 👎👎👎

that cites one of her crimes as using the "r-word" in a song .... like 15-20 years ago, when it wasn't the same kind of horrible insensitive dick move it is now ...

Ummmm, yeah it was.

Amanda fucking Palmer everyone!

*slow claps sarcastically* pic.twitter.com/RkE65nxI7N

— Valterra Bella (@ItsValterra) November 22, 2019

that r-word song is 11 years old btw

that's when it came out on an album. who knows when she wrote it.

I wish I could say "I can't believe she responded to that Valterra Bella tweet with 'I apologize for that to anyone who wasn't mean to me'" and mean I was surprised about the "mean to me" part and not that she apologized at all

Just discovered she is married to Neil Gaiman. Poor bastard.

This radical compassion shtick is so weirdly aggressive

goodnight, all. i love every single one of you. yes...even you. nothing you can say to stop me. i just love you a whole lot. sleep tight, dream sweetly.

don’t forget that hurt people hurt people, and we can have endless compassion for one another if we just do it. so, do it.
♥️

— Amanda Palmer Is Touring Europe & the UK (@amandapalmer) November 22, 2019

I'm not mad, I'm actually hugging you.

my god

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On September 28th, Amanda casually used a racist slur onstage during a performance, which deeply offended Chez, but she kept her concerns to herself for a few days while she gathered her thoughts. On September 30th, while Amanda was taking a brief break from touring to spend time at Jeff Bezo's campfire gathering of his ultra rich friends and supporters, Amanda messaged Chez to compliment her work and express her pleasure with Chez's performance (in AFP's own words to Chez, "You really did rock it on tour. I'm incredibly grateful for all your hard work and your effort - it's such a hard, weird job. Thank you.")

Chez continued corresponding with AFP and her management (Top Shelf, in Sydney NSW) about work related matters through October 4th, although Amanda now claims she was considering firing Chez before that date, but on October 4th Chez contacted Amanda Palmer privately to address Amanda's casual use of offensive racial slurs, specifically "ni**er", and to suggest how Amanda might handle the frustration and pain in her own fan community over Amanda's use of that word. In retaliation, with no further communication, Amanda Palmer fired Chez on October 7th, terminating her contract immediately, claiming that Chez's work performance was somehow no longer up to standard, and leaving Chez stranded to find her own way back home to the US from Holland. AFP's manager Jordan Verzar, from Top Shelf, advised Chez that upon the finalisation and handover of Chez's work with accounting etc as tour manager, she would be paid two week's severance and that would be that.