"Baby It's Cold Outside" -- Holiday Song? Rapey?

but Mordy what about all the Xmas songs by Jews

quite a few jews involved in the gospels too

Maccabees nipping at your nose...

Silver bells, silver bells, it's bagel time in the deli...

In the stores some gentile's paying retail

I was pleasantly surprised that a discussion of this fuckin song came up at a party in Sept (whyyyy?) and two people started doing the "it's so raaapppeey" kneejerk attack and my friends H@ye5 and C1ndy actually criticized that view and the other two people seemed shocked cos nobody had ever challenged that bit of received wisdom before

still have never heard this song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Rbkcxiibw

and if you'd like somewhat less ambiguous but equally catchy ray charles abuse songs, heres one where he ends by threatening to bludgeon his wife to death with an axe handle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUX2E_3uxSY

Pronouncing lingerie as lonzheray makes zero linguistic sense too but that doesn't stop Americans. BTW I live in Atlanta, GA and I've never heard anyone pronounce the drink as anything but La Croy.

can't believe the nation that brought us Friedrich Neechy and Vincent Van Go pronounce "Croix" differently

Friedrich Neechy

Bless you!

This reminds me of the time I inadvertently whitesplained the fact that "There are a lot of hispanic people in Texas who pronounce their last names the anglicized way" to a coworker while somehow completely not remembering that he was Mexican-American himself and his last name was Hur-air-a

moments in white peopling

i have to resist telling people they're not pronouncing their (scottish) last names properly fairly often

completely not remembering that he was Mexican-American himself and his last name was Hur-air-a

lol I bet you his name was't "Hur-air-a", rather "Er-era"

I think you may have completely missed the point/punchline of that post

I did.

Fully on board making that Ray Charles song a new holiday classic, FTR.

Hey, Crystals, be afraid.

Also, I enjoy calling it "La Quoi" to fellow Minnesotans.

once worked with a dude that actually pronounced it with a hard "ex" on the end.

didn't make sense at all, as he was actually fairly well adjusted and an otherwise reasonable person.

TBH Van Go is equally close to the 'correct' Dutch pronunciation than the standard British Van Goff.

Uhm, no... Take it from this Dutch person: it's not. Van Goff - however wrong - is way closer than "Van Go".

Apparently the BBC actually recommends Van Gokh which I think is even closer to the Dutch pronunciation, at least based on dodgy online pronunciation resources I found.

"rhymes with Loch Lomond" is how Scottish writer Grant Morrison taught me to pronounce it in a Doctor Who comic in 1987

The BBC can't even pronounce the Dutch word 'van' right (which should be easy, but they didn't get it right w/ their most famous 'Van' person, Ruud *van* Nistelrooij (and the got the surname pretty ok! Which is so vexing), let alone Gogh. Make of that what you will.

xp That's not bad at all. Van Gogh rhymes w/ Loch.

Like a Arab etc

Anyway, I might take issue with the pronunciation of "La Croix" but I have been exposed to francophone pronunciations of "Pachelbel" and "Pinetrail" (by someone from France) over the past week and I'm not sure whether Americans have anything to worry about.

There’s nothing “wrong” with regional pronunciation changes, btw

OTM, which I think means that I'd be within my rights to pronounce "La Croix" like "la croix" if I ever have a reason to talk about it.

It’s within your rights to use the source-language pronunciation of a loanword, but you may get funny looks in the borrowing-language community.

'O Canada' every morning in school = years of conditioning in how to say 'la croix'.

i've never heard this song once in my entire life

Anyway, I might take issue with the pronunciation of "La Croix" but I have been exposed to francophone pronunciations of "Pachelbel" and "Pinetrail" (by someone from France) over the past week and I'm not sure whether Americans have anything to worry about.

'Tupperware' is my personal favourite:

https://forvo.com/search/Tupperware/fr/

Incidentally (re: 'Pinetrail'), a 'pine' is a dick.

people who ask for a 'Bom-BAR-dee-ey' beer in the pub

This conversation is not a holiday conversation.

if I could snap my fingers and have everything associated with this song erased from the planet I would

sorry John Legend

Sorry straight America, it's not a very charming song.

from here on out, everytime somebody says they've never heard the song I am posting the Ray Charles/Betty Carter YouTube. Their version is a good song! It is absolutely problematic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Rbkcxiibw

The Times recommends this version with Ms Piggy ad Nureyev which the description calls "Miss Piggy Geting(sic) Lucky in the Steam Room"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EJ1SBAO1HU

also via the NYT story, here's a crazy detail about the song's role in the "inspiration of Al Qaeda":
https://qz.com/1491525/baby-its-cold-outside-and-the-rise-of-islamic-fundamentalism

“The dance hall convulsed to the tunes on the gramophone and was full of bounding feet and seductive legs,” Qutb wrote later. “Arms circled waists, lips met lips, chests met chests, and the atmosphere was full of passion.”

Wow @ "Tupperware"

That Ray Charles/Betty Carter version is actually a good example of the song being performed as a "playful" exchange between two equals, and not at all like she is being coerced or otherwise stuck on the weaker side of a power dynamic.

Love the German: Too-pah-Vaw-ray

that Ray Charles/Betty Carter rendition is wonderful, its a shame to discover that this song did 9/11

https://i.imgur.com/pi8ssLF.jpg

Holiday Song? Killy?

there should be more psychotic Christmas songs

city sidewalks, bloody sidewalks