Apparently it's a mashup of La Crosse and the St. Croix river, which is pronounced "Saint Croy"
― Lily Dale, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 19:08 (four years ago) link
but Mordy what about all the Xmas songs by Jews
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 19:16 (four years ago) link
False messiahs roasting on an open fire...
― and she could see an earmuff factory (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 19:17 (four years ago) link
I'm dreaming of a frum Shabbos...
― and she could see an earmuff factory (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 19:18 (four years ago) link
I see C R O I X and think "kwah" (because I studied French in my otherwise completely inadequate education).... It makes approximately zero linguistic sense, but ok.Tell it to the residents of Des Plaines, IL.
― dracula et son fils (morrisp), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 19:20 (four years ago) link
quite a few jews involved in the gospels too
― Mordy, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 19:20 (four years ago) link
Maccabees nipping at your nose...
― and she could see an earmuff factory (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 19:22 (four years ago) link
Silver bells, silver bells, it's bagel time in the deli...
― and she could see an earmuff factory (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 19:25 (four years ago) link
In the stores some gentile's paying retail
― When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 19:41 (four years ago) link
I was pleasantly surprised that a discussion of this fuckin song came up at a party in Sept (whyyyy?) and two people started doing the "it's so raaapppeey" kneejerk attack and my friends H@ye5 and C1ndy actually criticized that view and the other two people seemed shocked cos nobody had ever challenged that bit of received wisdom before
― When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 20:10 (four years ago) link
still have never heard this song
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 20:13 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Rbkcxiibw
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 20:16 (four years ago) link
and if you'd like somewhat less ambiguous but equally catchy ray charles abuse songs, heres one where he ends by threatening to bludgeon his wife to death with an axe handlehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUX2E_3uxSY
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 20:18 (four years ago) link
Pronouncing lingerie as lonzheray makes zero linguistic sense too but that doesn't stop Americans. BTW I live in Atlanta, GA and I've never heard anyone pronounce the drink as anything but La Croy.
― justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 20:21 (four years ago) link
can't believe the nation that brought us Friedrich Neechy and Vincent Van Go pronounce "Croix" differently
― Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 20:24 (four years ago) link
Friedrich Neechy
Bless you!
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 20:25 (four years ago) link
This reminds me of the time I inadvertently whitesplained the fact that "There are a lot of hispanic people in Texas who pronounce their last names the anglicized way" to a coworker while somehow completely not remembering that he was Mexican-American himself and his last name was Hur-air-a
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 20:43 (four years ago) link
moments in white peopling
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 20:44 (four years ago) link
i have to resist telling people they're not pronouncing their (scottish) last names properly fairly often
― ت (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 20:44 (four years ago) link
completely not remembering that he was Mexican-American himself and his last name was Hur-air-a
lol I bet you his name was't "Hur-air-a", rather "Er-era"
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 20:46 (four years ago) link
I think you may have completely missed the point/punchline of that post
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 21:24 (four years ago) link
I did.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 21:49 (four years ago) link
Fully on board making that Ray Charles song a new holiday classic, FTR.
― Pauline Male (Eric H.), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 22:40 (four years ago) link
Hey, Crystals, be afraid.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 22:43 (four years ago) link
Also, I enjoy calling it "La Quoi" to fellow Minnesotans.
― Pauline Male (Eric H.), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 22:44 (four years ago) link
once worked with a dude that actually pronounced it with a hard "ex" on the end.
didn't make sense at all, as he was actually fairly well adjusted and an otherwise reasonable person.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 22:49 (four years ago) link
TBH Van Go is equally close to the 'correct' Dutch pronunciation than the standard British Van Goff.
― justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 23:44 (four years ago) link
Uhm, no... Take it from this Dutch person: it's not. Van Goff - however wrong - is way closer than "Van Go".
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 23:46 (four years ago) link
Apparently the BBC actually recommends Van Gokh which I think is even closer to the Dutch pronunciation, at least based on dodgy online pronunciation resources I found.
― justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 23:48 (four years ago) link
"rhymes with Loch Lomond" is how Scottish writer Grant Morrison taught me to pronounce it in a Doctor Who comic in 1987
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 00:00 (four years ago) link
The BBC can't even pronounce the Dutch word 'van' right (which should be easy, but they didn't get it right w/ their most famous 'Van' person, Ruud *van* Nistelrooij (and the got the surname pretty ok! Which is so vexing), let alone Gogh. Make of that what you will.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 00:00 (four years ago) link
xp That's not bad at all. Van Gogh rhymes w/ Loch.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 00:01 (four years ago) link
Like a Arab etc
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 00:06 (four years ago) link
Anyway, I might take issue with the pronunciation of "La Croix" but I have been exposed to francophone pronunciations of "Pachelbel" and "Pinetrail" (by someone from France) over the past week and I'm not sure whether Americans have anything to worry about.
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 00:11 (four years ago) link
There’s nothing “wrong” with regional pronunciation changes, btw
― dracula et son fils (morrisp), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 01:32 (four years ago) link
OTM, which I think means that I'd be within my rights to pronounce "La Croix" like "la croix" if I ever have a reason to talk about it.
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 01:57 (four years ago) link
It’s within your rights to use the source-language pronunciation of a loanword, but you may get funny looks in the borrowing-language community.
― dracula et son fils (morrisp), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 02:20 (four years ago) link
'O Canada' every morning in school = years of conditioning in how to say 'la croix'.
― jmm, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 02:38 (four years ago) link
i've never heard this song once in my entire life
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 05:52 (four years ago) link
'Tupperware' is my personal favourite:
https://forvo.com/search/Tupperware/fr/
Incidentally (re: 'Pinetrail'), a 'pine' is a dick.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 08:55 (four years ago) link
people who ask for a 'Bom-BAR-dee-ey' beer in the pub
― doorstep jetski (dog latin), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 10:51 (four years ago) link
This conversation is not a holiday conversation.
― Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 12:18 (four years ago) link
if I could snap my fingers and have everything associated with this song erased from the planet I would
sorry John Legend
― frogbs, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 12:23 (four years ago) link
Sorry straight America, it's not a very charming song.
― Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 12:56 (four years ago) link
from here on out, everytime somebody says they've never heard the song I am posting the Ray Charles/Betty Carter YouTube. Their version is a good song! It is absolutely problematic.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Rbkcxiibw
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 18:26 (four years ago) link
The Times recommends this version with Ms Piggy ad Nureyev which the description calls "Miss Piggy Geting(sic) Lucky in the Steam Room"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EJ1SBAO1HU
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 18:40 (four years ago) link
also via the NYT story, here's a crazy detail about the song's role in the "inspiration of Al Qaeda":https://qz.com/1491525/baby-its-cold-outside-and-the-rise-of-islamic-fundamentalism
“The dance hall convulsed to the tunes on the gramophone and was full of bounding feet and seductive legs,” Qutb wrote later. “Arms circled waists, lips met lips, chests met chests, and the atmosphere was full of passion.”
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 18:43 (four years ago) link
Wow @ "Tupperware"
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 18:44 (four years ago) link
That Ray Charles/Betty Carter version is actually a good example of the song being performed as a "playful" exchange between two equals, and not at all like she is being coerced or otherwise stuck on the weaker side of a power dynamic.
― dracula et son fils (morrisp), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 18:48 (four years ago) link
Love the German: Too-pah-Vaw-ray
― jmm, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 18:56 (four years ago) link