good catch
― flopson, Sunday, 20 October 2019 15:36 (four years ago) link
I'm glad Pitchfork is doing the work to correct the mistakes they made ... in February.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 20 October 2019 16:12 (four years ago) link
Just gonna go ahead and guess that this clipping review will be a source of anger in RYM circles
― Simon H., Monday, 21 October 2019 05:20 (four years ago) link
Well then in this case I’ve got common cause with themNot to throw my hat into the ring with every /mu/ pseud who rewards the stuff they like with an “intelligent” modifier but “this music sounds like too much thought went into it” is a criticism that’s basically never going to find traction with me, and you can throw an extra layer of suspicion on top of that whenever the next rhetorical move is to say that the resultant work feels “sterile”, esp. in genres like rap where “non-sterile” tends to = “my imagined ex nihilo version of this style which required no craft to produce beyond the transcription of Real Experience And Emotion”, which is exactly what that last paragraph seems to be doing
― what else are you all “over” (Champiness), Monday, 21 October 2019 06:30 (four years ago) link
Also I’m all for “cosplay” becoming common parlance in music criticism for fully and meticulously adopting an established style that one did not previously inhabit but *Matrix voice* “not like this”
― what else are you all “over” (Champiness), Monday, 21 October 2019 06:38 (four years ago) link
haha, the Clipping album is really good!
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 21 October 2019 06:53 (four years ago) link
fuck Pitchfork fuck Pitchforkfuck Pitchforkfuck Pitchforkfuck Pitchforkfuck Pitchforkfuck Pitchfork
― imago, Monday, 21 October 2019 07:26 (four years ago) link
also, great posts champiness
― imago, Monday, 21 October 2019 08:10 (four years ago) link
It's like...these motherfuckers think they run the authenticity game, and wow betide anyone who doesn't stay in their lane. We had this with Dälek before - this guy making some of the most brilliant and interesting hip-hop, and sure they liked his stuff for a moment back then, but they've dropped him like a stone, subtext being: this moment is too *important* for your shenanigans, small-timer
― imago, Monday, 21 October 2019 08:20 (four years ago) link
'wow betide'...lol
― imago, Monday, 21 October 2019 08:21 (four years ago) link
At this point RYM >>>>>>>>> Pitchfork anyway.
― pomenitul, Monday, 21 October 2019 08:26 (four years ago) link
Then again, rewarding aesthetically normative acts with an almost imperceptible twist has been Pitchfork's m. o. since, well, forever.
― pomenitul, Monday, 21 October 2019 08:28 (four years ago) link
I agree that the record is good tbc
― Simon H., Monday, 21 October 2019 11:44 (four years ago) link
― pomenitul, Monday, October 21, 2019 1:26 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
lol excuse me
― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 21 October 2019 12:39 (four years ago) link
In terms of eclecticism and sheer scope and as a tool for discovering new music, yes. Certainly not in terms of writing, if that’s what’s rankling you.
― pomenitul, Monday, 21 October 2019 12:43 (four years ago) link
1) i don’t really think they’re comparable bc one’s a publication and the other is a message board contorted around a database of records 2) rym users are just as corny and inflexible and arbitrary in their judgments of records they just trend more “avant”/“prog” but only a really specific strain of it so they’re caught in their own feedback loop 3) rym overall 1000 percent more concerned about the opinions of anthony fantano than music
― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 21 October 2019 12:45 (four years ago) link
pitchfork tbf more concerned with curating their position as #1 trendhopper and purveyor of trusted musical opinion than music
but rym does have its problems yes, which i am working to eradicate
― imago, Monday, 21 October 2019 12:49 (four years ago) link
Beyond the obvious noise I can easily navigate my way around RYM in such a way as to stumble across intriguing bands that I likely wouldn’t have discovered otherwise, whereas Pitchfork’s selections are only rarely in line with my own musical interests these days. I’m comparing them with regard to their ability to draw attention to music I might care about, otherwise I agree that it’s apples and oranges.
― pomenitul, Monday, 21 October 2019 12:50 (four years ago) link
I visit RYM fairly often, but the only place I encounter the name Anthony Fantano is on ILM.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 21 October 2019 12:51 (four years ago) link
Pitchfork and ILM have a real Poncho and Lefty relationship
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 21 October 2019 13:44 (four years ago) link
where they got the bread ain't nobody know
― maffew12, Monday, 21 October 2019 13:46 (four years ago) link
hey did you hear a new kanye is coming out this week? a new frank ocean is out now? we like frank ocean there are 2 new frank ocean songs coming. here is a new kanye song. did you know a new frank ocean album is announced? frank ocean kanye west west kanye ocean west frankanye weseon
― wasdnuos (abanana), Monday, 21 October 2019 14:00 (four years ago) link
That's not totally fair. You didn't mention whether Frank Ocean was an answer on Jeopardy.
― enochroot, Monday, 21 October 2019 14:06 (four years ago) link
Did any indie bands cover Frank Ocean songs in concert this weekend?
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 21 October 2019 14:09 (four years ago) link
― wasdnuos (abanana), Monday, October 21, 2019 9:00 AM (twenty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
they know their readers
― flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Monday, 21 October 2019 14:22 (four years ago) link
kanyekendrick frankkendrickfrankkanye
― drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Monday, 21 October 2019 14:24 (four years ago) link
Is that readers poll just market research for them?
― jmm, Monday, 21 October 2019 14:28 (four years ago) link
Speaking as a former magazine editor, yes. All readers' polls are market research.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 21 October 2019 14:39 (four years ago) link
2019 Pitchfork just constantly dunking on the RYM/Fantano/mu/imago axis of angry boy music (Clipping, Tool, Tropical Fuck Storm, docking Run the Jewels/Swans/Kozelek) might be a fantastic act of passive-aggression
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 21 October 2019 15:48 (four years ago) link
Incelcore
all this time, poptimism was a cover for optimism
― maffew12, Monday, 21 October 2019 15:49 (four years ago) link
I had no idea my wife was an incel.
― pomenitul, Monday, 21 October 2019 15:51 (four years ago) link
ffs
― imago, Monday, 21 October 2019 15:51 (four years ago) link
The clipping. review tracks with my impression of it. I don't like the timbre of Diggs' voice, and "the charisma of a metronome and the expressive range of a sock puppet" captures his style pretty well.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:00 (four years ago) link
Tropical Fuck Storm: the angry boy band that's 2/3rds women!
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:03 (four years ago) link
Topical Cuck Storm
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 21 October 2019 16:15 (four years ago) link
3/4s in fact xp
― imago, Monday, 21 October 2019 16:23 (four years ago) link
oops my math is....not good
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:29 (four years ago) link
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, October 21, 2019 11:48 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
lol otm
― flopson, Monday, 21 October 2019 17:06 (four years ago) link
most of those bands have entirely distinct fanbases, swans/kozelek aside
― imago, Monday, 21 October 2019 17:08 (four years ago) link
well not entirely but they're no more groupable than any other noise-rock/alt-rap/idk
― imago, Monday, 21 October 2019 17:09 (four years ago) link
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 21 October 2019 18:09 (four years ago) link
I will always pretend Kozelek quit music in 2013-ish
― Evan, Monday, 21 October 2019 18:12 (four years ago) link
whiney g forever the king for savagely destroying his own taste in music better than anyone else could <3
― flopson, Monday, 21 October 2019 19:05 (four years ago) link
own thyself to know thyself
― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 21 October 2019 19:13 (four years ago) link
pwn iirc.
― pomenitul, Monday, 21 October 2019 19:14 (four years ago) link
Bernie Sanders Played Sheer Mag’s “Expect the Bayonet” at New York Rally
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 10:21 (four years ago) link
Good song!
― thicc elizabeth (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 12:28 (four years ago) link
t minus whatever till Fox gets wind of that title
― Simon H., Tuesday, 22 October 2019 12:44 (four years ago) link
To thy pwn self be true
― i could chug a keg of you (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 14:40 (four years ago) link