on the more impt farmer/musician tangent: farming in the west today is surely some of the sweetest farming there has ever been but even now in the US and UK it has one of the highest mortality rates of any field. elsewhere the idea that farming is a better gig than being a musician prob doesn't seem persuasive for a lot of the poorest ppl itw, such as subsistence farmers, the tens of thousands of indian farmers who have killed themselves in recent years, or the hundreds of thousands (millions?) more who have migrated to cities to be homeless rather than persist w/ harvests ruined by climate changein lots of cultures being a travelling musician/bard/jeli/azmari/wedding musician etc. is/was prestigious, or at least not disreputable, and 'court musician' and 'itinerant musician' are just two heterogeneous categories in a very broad spectrum of professional & semi-professional musicians across history, and not v discrete ones either.ofc lots of farmers are musicians & I wld never want to erase, for example, thousands of years of sardinian shepherds nobly honking on pipes, which is deeply aesthetic,― ogmor, Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:33 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
in lots of cultures being a travelling musician/bard/jeli/azmari/wedding musician etc. is/was prestigious, or at least not disreputable, and 'court musician' and 'itinerant musician' are just two heterogeneous categories in a very broad spectrum of professional & semi-professional musicians across history, and not v discrete ones either.ofc lots of farmers are musicians & I wld never want to erase, for example, thousands of years of sardinian shepherds nobly honking on pipes, which is deeply aesthetic,
― ogmor, Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:33 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
booming post
― flopson, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 18:17 (four years ago) link
shakey will gripe that there is no annual wages for musicians but still, from the Bureau of Labor Statistics:
The median hourly wage for musicians and singers was $28.15 in May 2018. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $10.40, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $73.34.The median annual wage for agricultural workers was $24,620 in May 2018 ($11.84 per hour). The lowest 10 percent earned less than $21,610 ($9.19 per hour), and the highest 10 percent earned more than $37,920 ($26.97 per hour).
The median annual wage for agricultural workers was $24,620 in May 2018 ($11.84 per hour). The lowest 10 percent earned less than $21,610 ($9.19 per hour), and the highest 10 percent earned more than $37,920 ($26.97 per hour).
4 artists (Kendrick, Kanye, Death Grips, Ocean) account for 19% of that RYM top 100
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 18:18 (four years ago) link
This is the list I sent in. I didn't put much thought into it.
1. What are the 10 best albums of 2010-2019?#1 : Julia Holter: Ekstasis#2 : Fiona Apple: The Idler Wheel...#3 : Colin Stetson: New History Warfare Vol. 2: Judges#4 : Alcest: Écailles de lune#5 : The Avalanches: Wildflower#6 : Ghost: Opus Eponymous#7 : Daft Punk: Random Access Memories#8 : Courtney Barnett: Sometimes I Sit and Think, and Sometimes I Just Sit#9 : Mock & Toof: Tuning Echoes#10 : My Bloody Valentine: m b v
2. What are the 10 best songs of 2010 - 2019?#1 : Daft Punk: "Get Lucky" [ft. Pharrell]#2 : Lorde: "Royals"#3 : Wilco: "Magnetized"#4 : Susanne Sundfør: "Accelerate"#5 : Lana Del Rey: "Video Games"#6 : M83: "Midnight City"#7 : David Bowie: "Blackstar"#8 : Frank Ocean: "Pyramids" i am part of the problem#9 : Carly Rae Jepsen: "Call Me Maybe"#10 : Mark Ronson: "Uptown Funk"
― wasdnuos (abanana), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 18:19 (four years ago) link
In the end, my problem is probably just that I am not that optimistic about pop.― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:52 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:52 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
the name is probably the most confusing thing about it; i'm optimistic about pop rn but haven't been for most of the last 5 years, yet self-id as a poptimist
― flopson, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 18:19 (four years ago) link
I don't really give a shit about the contemporary "who is worse off: farmers or musicians" scenario, that was ums' axe to grind.
xp
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 18:20 (four years ago) link
followed by the worst Vampire Weekend album
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:31 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
it's their best
― flopson, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 18:26 (four years ago) link
i am most disappointed that MBDTF is still appreciated and influential
it's the album of the decade in the Time Man of the Year sense, the same way that the avengers is the movie of the decade.
― wasdnuos (abanana), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 18:31 (four years ago) link
re: Vampire Weekend, I could see arguments for and against any of the first three but I feel their newest is pretty firmly their worst (still a pretty good record).
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 18:31 (four years ago) link
modern vampires of the city was the one dan was referring to tho
― flopson, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 18:33 (four years ago) link
right, i was agreeing with you
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 18:39 (four years ago) link
am convinced that the majority of people who proclaim to like kanye (and specifically that fucking album) are doing so to laugh at him.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 19:00 (four years ago) link
I didn't even bother with the newest VW because I hated Modern Vampires so much
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 19:10 (four years ago) link
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, October 16, 2019 2:00 PM (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
breaking: sources say that mega-popular and critically acclaimed rapper kanye west doesn't have any real fans. news at 10.
― flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 19:21 (four years ago) link
Wherever "808s and Heartbreak" placed in 2009 end decade polls, it'd go way higher right now.
― maffew12, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 19:22 (four years ago) link
kanyekendrickfrankkendrickfrankkanye
so close to being a palindrome!
remix of Swimming Pools imo
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 19:48 (four years ago) link
also applause to ogmor
10000 fuccbois will pay money just to listen to a steam of his albums and buy t-shirts
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 19:50 (four years ago) link
kanye's steamed hams
― j., Wednesday, 16 October 2019 19:55 (four years ago) link
live on tape from his farm in Albany
― maffew12, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 20:17 (four years ago) link
his popularity stems from how ridiculous he is.
like a successful comedian.
it's just that he's not in on the joke; nor is he even aware there is one.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:17 (four years ago) link
his popularity comes from the fact that people listen to and enjoy his music.
― flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:19 (four years ago) link
enjoy his music.
in a comedic way.
keep in mind: this is just a working theory.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:22 (four years ago) link
ppl (with terrible taste) obviously legit love him (and make excused for him), I wouldn't second-guess their fandom. It is kinda sad though.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:23 (four years ago) link
excuses
people wouldn't bother dealing with his crazy bullshit unless they genuinely loved and felt a connection to his music (new or old or both).
― flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:24 (four years ago) link
I mean I'm sick of his persona but are we really going to pretend he's not a good producer? I don't think he's what he once was but he's a significant part of hip hop production history
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:25 (four years ago) link
im sorry, i only enjoy his comedic productions
― flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:25 (four years ago) link
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:00 PM
What kind of music do you like, Austin?
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:26 (four years ago) link
really shitty, overproduced, self-obsessed indie rock.
oh yeah, gimme that bon iver shit.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:28 (four years ago) link
are we really going to pretend he's not a good producer?
he *was* a good producer. In terms of the history of the genre I'd say he's a significant but mid-tier producer. Better than Puffy, but not exactly Primo or Pete Rock.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:29 (four years ago) link
and pink floyd.
obviously.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:29 (four years ago) link
it's impressive that you manage to post with your head lodged so firmly up your own asshole
― flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:30 (four years ago) link
i mean like it or not 808s and heartbreak is as influential as primo or pete rock
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:31 (four years ago) link
and please you know my affection for irrelevant boom bap
I don't disagree. but are we talking quality or impact
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:32 (four years ago) link
cuz I do like prime-era Kanye productions. His beat for Scarface's "In Cold Blood" is dope.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:33 (four years ago) link
new borad descripsion
― drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:34 (four years ago) link
i actually had a really long post typed out, but i deleted it because nobody cares to read that much. the crux of it: i'm an old school 90s hiphop head and i don't get it. all of my posts in here today up until this point were not serious whatsoever. i do, however, 100% believe that kanye's audience is, across the board, more intelligent than he is.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:56 (four years ago) link
and yes, he was a very good beatmaker when he first hit the scene.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:57 (four years ago) link
I know I am out of step with everything because when I think of "good kanye beats" the first thing that comes to mind is trina's "b r right"
― Tim F, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 21:59 (four years ago) link
yep
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 22:00 (four years ago) link
if he's going to get credit for his productions then he also has to get the discredit for rapping over his own productions
― j., Wednesday, 16 October 2019 22:13 (four years ago) link
all of my posts in here today up until this point were not serious whatsoever
you clearly have a deep understanding of 'comedy'
― flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 22:14 (four years ago) link
> quality or impactthese lists are only about impact. Quality helped a lot of them with their impact, but it's not in the discussion at this stage, is it?
― maffew12, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 22:16 (four years ago) link
sorry I guess that was regarding the Kanye/primo sidebar...
― maffew12, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 22:17 (four years ago) link
i still don't get modern vampires being the consensus best vw album, it's their worst - so plodding! - and contra is their best
― ufo, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 22:17 (four years ago) link
I get MVOTC now (six years old!), but I like my VW with more rhythmic tumult. Contra owns my heart because of "Giving Up the Gun" and "Diplomat's Son."
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 22:22 (four years ago) link
contra's the best. i love modern vampires but all the gloom about aging has... aged poorly for me
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 22:36 (four years ago) link
none of you liked the beats on DAYTONA?
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 22:40 (four years ago) link