pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

angsta rap

lol

ppl sure seem to like Tame Impala

that's what i keep being told

I think the Readers' Lists read like the Pitchfork algorithm got stuck or something.

Sardinian playlist bookmarked

Or saved, I guess.

on the more impt farmer/musician tangent: farming in the west today is surely some of the sweetest farming there has ever been but even now in the US and UK it has one of the highest mortality rates of any field. elsewhere the idea that farming is a better gig than being a musician prob doesn't seem persuasive for a lot of the poorest ppl itw, such as subsistence farmers, the tens of thousands of indian farmers who have killed themselves in recent years, or the hundreds of thousands (millions?) more who have migrated to cities to be homeless rather than persist w/ harvests ruined by climate change

in lots of cultures being a travelling musician/bard/jeli/azmari/wedding musician etc. is/was prestigious, or at least not disreputable, and 'court musician' and 'itinerant musician' are just two heterogeneous categories in a very broad spectrum of professional & semi-professional musicians across history, and not v discrete ones either.
ofc lots of farmers are musicians & I wld never want to erase, for example, thousands of years of sardinian shepherds nobly honking on pipes, which is deeply aesthetic,

― ogmor, Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:33 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

booming post

shakey will gripe that there is no annual wages for musicians but still, from the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

The median hourly wage for musicians and singers was $28.15 in May 2018. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $10.40, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $73.34.

The median annual wage for agricultural workers was $24,620 in May 2018 ($11.84 per hour). The lowest 10 percent earned less than $21,610 ($9.19 per hour), and the highest 10 percent earned more than $37,920 ($26.97 per hour).

4 artists (Kendrick, Kanye, Death Grips, Ocean) account for 19% of that RYM top 100

This is the list I sent in. I didn't put much thought into it.

1. What are the 10 best albums of 2010-2019?
#1 : Julia Holter: Ekstasis
#2 : Fiona Apple: The Idler Wheel...
#3 : Colin Stetson: New History Warfare Vol. 2: Judges
#4 : Alcest: Écailles de lune
#5 : The Avalanches: Wildflower
#6 : Ghost: Opus Eponymous
#7 : Daft Punk: Random Access Memories
#8 : Courtney Barnett: Sometimes I Sit and Think, and Sometimes I Just Sit
#9 : Mock & Toof: Tuning Echoes
#10 : My Bloody Valentine: m b v

2. What are the 10 best songs of 2010 - 2019?
#1 : Daft Punk: "Get Lucky" [ft. Pharrell]
#2 : Lorde: "Royals"
#3 : Wilco: "Magnetized"
#4 : Susanne Sundfør: "Accelerate"
#5 : Lana Del Rey: "Video Games"
#6 : M83: "Midnight City"
#7 : David Bowie: "Blackstar"
#8 : Frank Ocean: "Pyramids" i am part of the problem
#9 : Carly Rae Jepsen: "Call Me Maybe"
#10 : Mark Ronson: "Uptown Funk"

In the end, my problem is probably just that I am not that optimistic about pop.

― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:52 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

the name is probably the most confusing thing about it; i'm optimistic about pop rn but haven't been for most of the last 5 years, yet self-id as a poptimist

I don't really give a shit about the contemporary "who is worse off: farmers or musicians" scenario, that was ums' axe to grind.

xp

followed by the worst Vampire Weekend album

― brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:31 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

it's their best

i am most disappointed that MBDTF is still appreciated and influential

it's the album of the decade in the Time Man of the Year sense, the same way that the avengers is the movie of the decade.

re: Vampire Weekend, I could see arguments for and against any of the first three but I feel their newest is pretty firmly their worst (still a pretty good record).

modern vampires of the city was the one dan was referring to tho

right, i was agreeing with you

am convinced that the majority of people who proclaim to like kanye (and specifically that fucking album) are doing so to laugh at him.

I didn't even bother with the newest VW because I hated Modern Vampires so much

am convinced that the majority of people who proclaim to like kanye (and specifically that fucking album) are doing so to laugh at him.

― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, October 16, 2019 2:00 PM (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

breaking: sources say that mega-popular and critically acclaimed rapper kanye west doesn't have any real fans. news at 10.

Wherever "808s and Heartbreak" placed in 2009 end decade polls, it'd go way higher right now.

kanye
kendrick
frank
kendrick
frank
kanye

so close to being a palindrome!

remix of Swimming Pools imo

also applause to ogmor

10000 fuccbois will pay money just to listen to a steam of his albums and buy t-shirts

kanye's steamed hams

live on tape from his farm in Albany

his popularity stems from how ridiculous he is.

like a successful comedian.

it's just that he's not in on the joke; nor is he even aware there is one.

his popularity comes from the fact that people listen to and enjoy his music.

enjoy his music.

in a comedic way.

keep in mind: this is just a working theory.

ppl (with terrible taste) obviously legit love him (and make excused for him), I wouldn't second-guess their fandom. It is kinda sad though.

excuses

people wouldn't bother dealing with his crazy bullshit unless they genuinely loved and felt a connection to his music (new or old or both).

I mean I'm sick of his persona but are we really going to pretend he's not a good producer? I don't think he's what he once was but he's a significant part of hip hop production history

im sorry, i only enjoy his comedic productions

am convinced that the majority of people who proclaim to like kanye (and specifically that fucking album) are doing so to laugh at him.

― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:00 PM

What kind of music do you like, Austin?

really shitty, overproduced, self-obsessed indie rock.

oh yeah, gimme that bon iver shit.

are we really going to pretend he's not a good producer?

he *was* a good producer. In terms of the history of the genre I'd say he's a significant but mid-tier producer. Better than Puffy, but not exactly Primo or Pete Rock.

and pink floyd.

obviously.

it's impressive that you manage to post with your head lodged so firmly up your own asshole

i mean like it or not 808s and heartbreak is as influential as primo or pete rock

and please you know my affection for irrelevant boom bap

I don't disagree. but are we talking quality or impact

cuz I do like prime-era Kanye productions. His beat for Scarface's "In Cold Blood" is dope.

it's impressive that you manage to post with your head lodged so firmly up your own asshole

new borad descripsion

i actually had a really long post typed out, but i deleted it because nobody cares to read that much. the crux of it: i'm an old school 90s hiphop head and i don't get it. all of my posts in here today up until this point were not serious whatsoever. i do, however, 100% believe that kanye's audience is, across the board, more intelligent than he is.

and yes, he was a very good beatmaker when he first hit the scene.

I know I am out of step with everything because when I think of "good kanye beats" the first thing that comes to mind is trina's "b r right"

yep

if he's going to get credit for his productions then he also has to get the discredit for rapping over his own productions