pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

Greil Marcus' intro to the reprint of The Aesthetics of Rock talked about how the book was heretical (to whom, I don't know) because it considered Tommy James and the Shondells on the same level that it considered the Beatles or whoever.

Kogan's take - that this WAS a common pov for 60s rock critics and the 'progressive' narrative was the more populist view - seems at least as believable to me: https://koganbot.livejournal.com/164709.html

ooh another corny list

Yep.

Interesting predictions so far. I'm guessing it will be a repetitive all male top 10. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it looked something like this

1. Kanye West - MBDTF
2. Kendrick Lamar - To Pimp a Butterfly
3. Frank Ocean - Blonde
4. Kanye West - Yeezus
5. Frank Ocean - Channel Orange
6. Bon Iver - Bon Iver
7. Kendrick Lamar - Good Kid
8. Kendrick Lamar - Damn
9. Radiohead - A Moon Shaped Pool
10. Sufjan Stevens - Carrie & Lowell

With some variation of Tame Impala, Vampire Weekend and Tyler The Creator just outside. Not sure who will be the highest female artist. Grimes, Solange or Mitski maybe?

― kitchen person, Tuesday, September 24, 2019

Ok, so I wasn't far off

1. Kanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
2. Kendrick Lamar: To Pimp a Butterfly
3. Frank Ocean: Blonde
4. Kendrick Lamar: good kid, m.A.A.d city
5. Frank Ocean: Channel Orange
6. Kanye West: Yeezus
7. Vampire Weekend: Modern Vampires of the City
8. Sufjan Stevens: Carrie & Lowell
9. Arcade Fire: The Suburbs
10. Lorde: Melodrama
11. Tame Impala: Currents
12. Bon Iver: Bon Iver
13. Radiohead: A Moon Shaped Pool
14. Beyoncé: Lemonade
15. LCD Soundsystem: This Is Happening

although maybe Marcus wasn't saying that Meltzer's heresy was against other critics tbf

xp to self

Anyway, yes, 'poptimism vs rockism' is a fairly simple concept if you already agree with a few premises, I will grant. In the end, my problem is probably just that I am not that optimistic about pop.

“It’s all music, man.”

[this is actually my pov, despite the self-mocking scare quotes]

death grips at #20 is not a bad placement!

Anyone else vote in this thing? I would like to peruse your lists now.

1. What are the 10 best albums of 2010-2019?
#1 : Dawn Richard: Blackheart
#2 : Frida Hyvönen: To The Soul
#3 : Girlpool: Before The World Was Big
#4 : Julia Holter: Aviary
#5 : A Tribe Called Quest: We got it from Here... Thank You 4 Your service
#6 : Swervedriver: I Wasn't Born To Lose You
#7 : Owen Pallett: Heartland
#8 : Neneh Cherry: Blank Project
#9 : Kelela: Take Me Apart
#10 : Pistol Annies: Interstate Gospel

2. What are the 10 best songs of 2010 - 2019?
#1 : PJ Harvey: "The Last Living Rose"
#2 : The Radio Dept.: "Can't Be Guilty"
#3 : KING: "Native Land"
#4 : Deerhunter: "Memory Boy"
#5 : D'Angelo: "Another Life"
#6 : Yves Tumor: "Noid"
#7 : Susanne Sundfør: "Fade Away"
#8 : Jazmine Sullivan: "Let It Burn"
#9 : Danny Brown: "25 Bucks" [ft. Purity Ring]
#10 : Sasami: "Not The Time"

(I read "the best" as "your favorite")

I didn’t save my ballot, but I see only one (1) thing that I voted for ended up on either list.

on the more impt farmer/musician tangent: farming in the west today is surely some of the sweetest farming there has ever been but even now in the US and UK it has one of the highest mortality rates of any field. elsewhere the idea that farming is a better gig than being a musician prob doesn't seem persuasive for a lot of the poorest ppl itw, such as subsistence farmers, the tens of thousands of indian farmers who have killed themselves in recent years, or the hundreds of thousands (millions?) more who have migrated to cities to be homeless rather than persist w/ harvests ruined by climate change

in lots of cultures being a travelling musician/bard/jeli/azmari/wedding musician etc. is/was prestigious, or at least not disreputable, and 'court musician' and 'itinerant musician' are just two heterogeneous categories in a very broad spectrum of professional & semi-professional musicians across history, and not v discrete ones either.
ofc lots of farmers are musicians & I wld never want to erase, for example, thousands of years of sardinian shepherds nobly honking on pipes, which is deeply aesthetic,

Booming post.

now seems like a good time and place to post this killer sardinian playlist I've been listening to for a few days
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/62EAjeDiF4SU3Zq7b9k5Bl?si=TRhExpZxRQ2KytGesdr7Ew
/pvmic

Nice!

I feel like I'd be bored with my own list if I made it. My CD collection from when we mostly listened to music on CD is a lot more appealing than the last few years of it, when I only bother to get the things I like mostest on physical media. It's all about the friends and sounds along the way to the most perfect realization and summation of modern music (y'know, Blonde). The best list is what isn't on the list. think about it.

I want to see Jazmine Sullivan on every ballot.

Omfg at that pitchfork reader’s list. Imagine that as your reading audience.

I want to see Jazmine Sullivan on every ballot.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, October 16, 2019 8:47 AM (twenty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

otm

one of the few people i have ever waited around backstage to get a pic with

jazmine sullivan is great (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

Anyone else vote in this thing? I would like to peruse your lists now.

Gladly:

Albums
1.) Wolf Alice - My Love is Cool
2.) Wolf Alice - Visions of a Life
3.) Gerard Way - Hesitant Alien
4.) Paramore - After Laughter
5.) Queens of the Stone Age - ...Like Clockwork
6.) Paramore - s/t
7.) Jane Weaver - Modern Kosmology
8.) Purple Mountains - Purple Mountains
9.) Le Butcherettes - A Raw Youth
10.) Fall Out Boy - Save Rock and Roll

Tracks
1.) Wolf Alice - Silk
2.) Wolf Alice - Giant Peach
3.) Wolf Alice - Visions of a Life
4.) Wolf Alice - Don't Delete the Kisses
5.) Wolf Alice - Blush
6.) Gerard Way - How It's Going to Be
7.) Gerard Way - Maya the Psychic
8.) Gerard Way - Action Cat
9.) Queens of the Stone Age - I Appear Missing
10.) Paramore - Hard Times

I haven't looked at pitchfork.com yet. Did any of these make it?

well they had more wolf alice than you

the readers poll honestly makes way more sense as a uniform aesthetic than the pfork list proper. like i don't agree with it, but at least it coheres!

yup. they know what they like - angsty rap!

angsta rap

lol

ppl sure seem to like Tame Impala

that's what i keep being told

I think the Readers' Lists read like the Pitchfork algorithm got stuck or something.

Sardinian playlist bookmarked

Or saved, I guess.

on the more impt farmer/musician tangent: farming in the west today is surely some of the sweetest farming there has ever been but even now in the US and UK it has one of the highest mortality rates of any field. elsewhere the idea that farming is a better gig than being a musician prob doesn't seem persuasive for a lot of the poorest ppl itw, such as subsistence farmers, the tens of thousands of indian farmers who have killed themselves in recent years, or the hundreds of thousands (millions?) more who have migrated to cities to be homeless rather than persist w/ harvests ruined by climate change

in lots of cultures being a travelling musician/bard/jeli/azmari/wedding musician etc. is/was prestigious, or at least not disreputable, and 'court musician' and 'itinerant musician' are just two heterogeneous categories in a very broad spectrum of professional & semi-professional musicians across history, and not v discrete ones either.
ofc lots of farmers are musicians & I wld never want to erase, for example, thousands of years of sardinian shepherds nobly honking on pipes, which is deeply aesthetic,

― ogmor, Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:33 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

booming post

shakey will gripe that there is no annual wages for musicians but still, from the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

The median hourly wage for musicians and singers was $28.15 in May 2018. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $10.40, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $73.34.

The median annual wage for agricultural workers was $24,620 in May 2018 ($11.84 per hour). The lowest 10 percent earned less than $21,610 ($9.19 per hour), and the highest 10 percent earned more than $37,920 ($26.97 per hour).

4 artists (Kendrick, Kanye, Death Grips, Ocean) account for 19% of that RYM top 100

This is the list I sent in. I didn't put much thought into it.

1. What are the 10 best albums of 2010-2019?
#1 : Julia Holter: Ekstasis
#2 : Fiona Apple: The Idler Wheel...
#3 : Colin Stetson: New History Warfare Vol. 2: Judges
#4 : Alcest: Écailles de lune
#5 : The Avalanches: Wildflower
#6 : Ghost: Opus Eponymous
#7 : Daft Punk: Random Access Memories
#8 : Courtney Barnett: Sometimes I Sit and Think, and Sometimes I Just Sit
#9 : Mock & Toof: Tuning Echoes
#10 : My Bloody Valentine: m b v

2. What are the 10 best songs of 2010 - 2019?
#1 : Daft Punk: "Get Lucky" [ft. Pharrell]
#2 : Lorde: "Royals"
#3 : Wilco: "Magnetized"
#4 : Susanne Sundfør: "Accelerate"
#5 : Lana Del Rey: "Video Games"
#6 : M83: "Midnight City"
#7 : David Bowie: "Blackstar"
#8 : Frank Ocean: "Pyramids" i am part of the problem
#9 : Carly Rae Jepsen: "Call Me Maybe"
#10 : Mark Ronson: "Uptown Funk"

In the end, my problem is probably just that I am not that optimistic about pop.

― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:52 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

the name is probably the most confusing thing about it; i'm optimistic about pop rn but haven't been for most of the last 5 years, yet self-id as a poptimist

I don't really give a shit about the contemporary "who is worse off: farmers or musicians" scenario, that was ums' axe to grind.

xp

followed by the worst Vampire Weekend album

― brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:31 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

it's their best

i am most disappointed that MBDTF is still appreciated and influential

it's the album of the decade in the Time Man of the Year sense, the same way that the avengers is the movie of the decade.

re: Vampire Weekend, I could see arguments for and against any of the first three but I feel their newest is pretty firmly their worst (still a pretty good record).

modern vampires of the city was the one dan was referring to tho

right, i was agreeing with you

am convinced that the majority of people who proclaim to like kanye (and specifically that fucking album) are doing so to laugh at him.

I didn't even bother with the newest VW because I hated Modern Vampires so much

am convinced that the majority of people who proclaim to like kanye (and specifically that fucking album) are doing so to laugh at him.

― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, October 16, 2019 2:00 PM (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

breaking: sources say that mega-popular and critically acclaimed rapper kanye west doesn't have any real fans. news at 10.

Wherever "808s and Heartbreak" placed in 2009 end decade polls, it'd go way higher right now.

kanye
kendrick
frank
kendrick
frank
kanye

so close to being a palindrome!

remix of Swimming Pools imo

also applause to ogmor

10000 fuccbois will pay money just to listen to a steam of his albums and buy t-shirts

kanye's steamed hams

live on tape from his farm in Albany

his popularity stems from how ridiculous he is.

like a successful comedian.

it's just that he's not in on the joke; nor is he even aware there is one.