Ummmmm, am confused why you'd think that? Recorded sermons and spirituals were some of the earliest best-selling cylinders/ 78s. When gospel as we know it got started in the 20s/ 30s it was well recorded and remains to this day. Raw bluesy gospel was marginalized the same way that hillbilly and blues recordings were once the Depression hit.
Sanct. blues didn't die in the '30s it just ceased to be recorded as much and unlike the juke joint circuit you didn't have so many small labels around to help it stay healthy. It continued to be recorded, and that's the un-stated "point" of LIAP all of which is post WW2, '50s and after -- maybe we should have made that more clear.
Some recordings of this ilk are done in the church, but usually by the musicians themselves -- with a handful of notable exceptions of course. There has been a lot of good fieldwork done umm, but for instance Rev. Charlie Jackson -- those were all just records made in small studios for a small local label, Booker.
Does that answer your question? For the origins of sanct. blues I gighly recommend "Songsters and Saints" by Paul Oliver.
― Mike McGooney-gal, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 22:08 (seventeen years ago)
Ohh and did I mention the Hurley LP is back on? It'll take a while but that's great news too...
― Mike McGooney-gal, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 22:16 (seventeen years ago)
Resultant fame and fortune for everyone. (Hey, I can dream.) Oh yeah Mike that friend of yours dropped me a line, thanks!
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 22:18 (seventeen years ago)
awesome, thanx (xpost to Mike)
do people think it's time for a catchall Mississippi Recs S/D thread?
― sleeve, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 22:19 (seventeen years ago)
Search: All Destroy: None
Mike: Are they gonna do both Raccoon LPs or just Armchair?
― ian, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 22:34 (seventeen years ago)
yeah, i think i was maybe basing that on charlie jackson - aren't there a couple of tracks that aren't on the comp that are labelled as "boombox" recordings? i maybe thought that's how it worked. like with some of lonnie farris's slower more sermon-y stuff, no matter how great they are i didn't really see them as 78s to release. thanks for clearing it up though. i've read some of oliver's history of the blues, and i understand the LIAP emphasis on post-war -> golden age gospel stuff.
is really good news about michael hurley. i love penguins.
― schlump, Wednesday, 27 August 2008 13:37 (seventeen years ago)
crumb bros track is amazing I was really wondering where I heard it before and then I realized that richard hell track I'm Your Man was it
― uh oh I'm having a fantasy, Wednesday, 27 August 2008 20:54 (seventeen years ago)
Forced Exposure was out of most of these so I tried another place and got the below response. Hopefully they will be able to get them
PHILLIPS, WASHINGTON What Are They Doing In Heaven Today? lp > THOMAS, IRMA The New Orleans Series lp > V/A Life Is A Problem lp > V/A Love Is Love lp
hey , we're out of all four of those. but we're about to get another big order from mississippi so we'll keep you posted when we get those back in. should be in the next week or so. thanks so much.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 28 August 2008 22:19 (seventeen years ago)
stuff wil get reprinted -- not sure how soon. irma thomas is recent enough you should still be able to find copies man.
bongo joe reissue via arhoolie license will be NICE -- will be so great to have that on vinyl.
― Mike McGooney-gal, Friday, 29 August 2008 08:01 (seventeen years ago)
Aquarius mailorder says they can get me the Irma Thomas now, but still can't get me V/A Life Is A Problem lp, V/A Love Is Love lp, and the Washington Phillips. Mississippi Records told 'em that Love is Love won't be reissued for a year.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 15 September 2008 03:14 (seventeen years ago)
I wonder if any stores in the DC/Baltimore area have this stuff?
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 02:28 (seventeen years ago)
try true vine in baltimore, man -- ian's pals with eric and even working on a few releases, i believe...
― Mike McGooney-gal, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 04:56 (seventeen years ago)
Thanks.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 12:44 (seventeen years ago)
Eric said last night that Ian is actually starting his own label, which will be distro'ed solely via Mississippi.
That's three new labels to be distro'ed by Miss. all starting up real soon -- Domino out of New Orleans, True Vine out of Baltimore, and Social Music also out of PDX...
Was super sweet last night seeing Jason Spaceman thank Eric for his label super profusely after the Spiritualized set.
― Mike McGooney-gal, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 14:15 (seventeen years ago)
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ian just abdicated his share in true vine last week, but im sure jason will still carry the titles, esp if ian is gonna start releasing stuff through MS.
also, red onion books and records at 18th & T NW in DC has all the MS stuff as it comes out...
― 69, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 15:05 (seventeen years ago)
i got lipa kodi ya at true vine last year, love is love at harvest records in asheville, and like every other MS release at red onion...
― 69, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 15:06 (seventeen years ago)
also the irma thomas KILLS. in the top five MS releases so far!
― 69, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 15:08 (seventeen years ago)
Everyone better do yourself a favor and run out and buy the Bongo Joe LP on Mississippi RIGHT NOW. Fucking unbelievable record.
― ian, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 18:36 (seventeen years ago)
If Curmudgeon is still looking for those MS recordss listed above, shoot me and e-mail. We have the Irma Thomas, Life Is A Problem and Washington Phillips in stock.
― ian, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 18:39 (seventeen years ago)
just finished up the tracklist for the sequel to 'life is a problem' -- was one third compiled dby myself, a third by mr. nutt and a third by warren and eric the two label heads of mississippi.
Have you got test pressings yet??
― ian, Thursday, 2 October 2008 04:30 (seventeen years ago)
ian, sent you an email, let me know if it doesn't get through.
― just makes my strat rage, march and burn the face of the MAN. (John Justen), Thursday, 2 October 2008 06:49 (seventeen years ago)
hey john. replied to your email. let me know the address to ship to and i can give u a total! thx.
― ian, Thursday, 2 October 2008 22:05 (seventeen years ago)
Tell me about this 'Bongo Joe'.
― Doghouse O RLY (G00blar), Thursday, 2 October 2008 22:07 (seventeen years ago)
Texan street singer in the sixties playing an oil drum and singing fairly moralistic songs about dogs & the ways humans treat one another. In a voice that at times recalls the weirdest tom waits but never comes across as forced or phony.
― ian, Friday, 3 October 2008 01:52 (seventeen years ago)
originally released on Arhoolie, and fully licensed!
latest:Artist: ANIMALS + MENTitle: Never Bought Never Sold: Singles + Demos 1979-83Label: MISSISSIPPI RECORDSFormat: LPPrice: $12.00Catalog #: MR 024LP"Animals + Men -- named after a song by Adam and the Ants -- started life around the winter of 1978-1979 when Susan Wells took over vocal duties in what was a three piece called Psychotic Reaction. Based in Frome Somerset, their first release Don't Misbehave in the New Age (1980) was an indie hit. When the band split in '81, Susan and Ralph formed the Terraplanes. A & M/Terraplanes released three vinyl 45s. A few years ago, demos by the band surfaced on the Messthetics/Hyped 2 Death label. Recently, the band have reformed and performed the odd gig and are releasing an EP of new songs soon on Convulsive Records. Mississippi Records is proud to be the first to release an entire LP containing the three 45s and early demos, all recorded between 1979-1983. For fans of early UK DIY."
i kinda skipped some of the other louder mississippi stuff - dog faced hermans &c.
― schlump, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 19:29 (seventeen years ago)
Dog Faced Hermans record is absolutely fantastic, FYI. Maybe still available at Forced Exposure.
I was gonna bump this thread cuz I went to Mississippi (the store) last weekend, bought the Washington Phillips record (SO GOOD) but passed on that Animals & Men. They have all of their agonizingly out of print releases up there on the wall, laughing at you.
― sleeve, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 23:36 (seventeen years ago)
i thought i was the only one that heard that laughter!
― nerve_pylon, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 23:58 (seventeen years ago)
gonna pick this up tomorrow. sounds like they've taken it way back to pre war stuff/last kind words era stuff--
Artist: VATitle: Fight On, Your Time Ain't LongLabel: MISSISSIPPI RECORDSFormat: LPPrice: $13.00Catalog #: MR 025LP"Compilation of sanctified blues recorded between 1927-1934. This is our sequel to the popular Life Is A Problem LP. Twelve songs of pure guitar-driven gospel. This slab is as melodic as it is rockin'. Features songs by Bukka White, Willie Mae Morris, Bo Weevil Jackson, Kid Prince Moore and more. This is packaged in the old-fashioned tip-on sleeve."
i still think they messed up by not numbering things one mississippi, two mississippi &c
― schlump, Saturday, 8 November 2008 02:24 (seventeen years ago)
ha ha! yes, a totally missed opportunity.
― stirmonster, Saturday, 8 November 2008 04:50 (seventeen years ago)
not dour enough.jus kiddin i love the MS records. i think my favorite is "i don't feel at home in this world anymore" but they're all pretty essential.
― ian, Saturday, 8 November 2008 04:59 (seventeen years ago)
yeah ok scratch what i said earlier. "fight on..." is fucking great.
― 69, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 16:52 (seventeen years ago)
it's great, huh. some of it's really other worldly. and no-one writes songs like or plays guitar like sign of judgement anymore.
was going to bump this yesterday to note two new mississippi releases: the first rats lp and another portland seven inch (by sad horse: what a name). apparently the single "Comes with an incomplete Mississippi Records catalog.", which sounds interesting.
i've been chasing up a couple of singers from the earlier comps recently - everything i've heard by lulu jackson from last kind words is great, in the same vein as careless love.
― schlump, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 17:12 (seventeen years ago)
ive started tracking down as many of the original music LP's, earlier compilations of the african stuff on love is love and lipa kodi ya
― 69, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 20:19 (seventeen years ago)
as many as i can, that is
Hey Pete oh buddy oh pal
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 4 December 2008 01:41 (seventeen years ago)
wow i would like to do this. i was pretty surprised how much of love is love is culled from africa dances. ieven though some of the other hugh tracey stuff on there's amongst the best. is that the case with lipi kodi ya? & have you found anything good? i'm kind of clueless digging through stuff like folkways and original records because they all sound so good, like bavarian folk tales are automatically going to be pretty and gentle feeling.
― schlump, Thursday, 4 December 2008 04:13 (seventeen years ago)
control your boners, dude. im up to ONE so far.
― 69, Friday, 12 December 2008 21:44 (seventeen years ago)
on ebay right now from the UK, theres a copy of lipa kodi ya with a weird printed label. mine is plain white! can anyone else share about this?
― 69, Friday, 12 December 2008 21:45 (seventeen years ago)
can we also change this thread name to MISSISSIPPI RECORDS or do we want to keep it to only a few elite posters who can electronically talk about this stuff
― 69, Friday, 12 December 2008 21:51 (seventeen years ago)
there's a nice comp on Rounder called "ju ju roots" that isn't terribly hard to find that is similar in feel to Lipa Kodiya. My copy of said LP also has a plain white label.
― ian, Saturday, 13 December 2008 06:04 (seventeen years ago)
you know what? i just noticed that misspelling in this thread title for the first time.
― ian, Saturday, 13 December 2008 06:07 (seventeen years ago)
It can be a pain to find this thread. Who's got the ilx power to correct the spelling in the title and add "Mississippi Records" to it?
I haven't been able to get anyone to change my spelling error in the Chitlin Circuit soul thread title. Of course, I only requested a change on that thread (and I am the only one who posts on it!). It should be Theotis Ealey's not "Easley's". Chitlin Circuit Double-entendre -filled Soul 2004 (and onward) Theodis Easley's "Stand Up In It" is a song of the year
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 13 December 2008 16:27 (seventeen years ago)
Picked up Bongo Joe and Fight On the other day, but haven't listened to the latter yet. Awful, horrible packaging for Fight On though, and I like to pretend I don't care, but then it turns out I DO CARE. Make it look better. Anyways, Rats LP is fantastic. Song for song, maybe the best Dead Moon (not Dead Moon) album ever. Amazing how long Fred and Toody have been working that mine. Missed out on Irma Thomas. Sads.
― Suggest Ban Permalink (contenderizer), Saturday, 13 December 2008 19:24 (seventeen years ago)
It can be a pain to find this thread.
― Suggest Ban Permalink (contenderizer), Saturday, 13 December 2008 19:26 (seventeen years ago)
i'm sure i've seen irma thomas around recently. soundfix maybe? will liveblog every trip to a record store in this thread and tell you if it's around somewhere.
― schlump, Saturday, 13 December 2008 20:03 (seventeen years ago)
irma thomas is here
― 69, Sunday, 14 December 2008 18:19 (seventeen years ago)
CHANGE records (and LITTLE AXE) are MS records gag-labels
― 69, Sunday, 14 December 2008 18:20 (seventeen years ago)
Anyways, Rats LP is fantastic.
yeah! it's a noisy pressing, though, don't know if that's to do with the original or what, but killer. are there plans to rerelease their other albums, anyone know?
― sexual civilian (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 21 December 2008 14:59 (seventeen years ago)
Just posted a request on the moderator thread to have them correct the spelling and add Mississippi Records to the title of this thread
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 21 December 2008 17:57 (seventeen years ago)