Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

'if they aren't the american beatles, then who would be?' is a v. v. poor reason to think that there is an american beatles anyway. if you think about it you'll see that my comment had something to do with wilco's relationship with tradition, a tortured and overly self-conscious one that I just don't hear in the beatles (until the white album ha but it's a different matter there). this relationship comes through in the way tweedy's songs are written, too - I don't think I would think he had such a troubled relationship with tradition if he was a better songwriter, but he's not. (which sort of blows a lennon/mccartney - tweedy songwriting comparison, so, like, american beatles, what the fuck?)

also if he keeps kicking out people who can write better melodies than him...

Quite. The question as a larger one is a bit strange anyway. Who the hell cares if there is an American Beatles or not? Why bother? Leave that for the fetishists.

Or music journalists.

But this just shows that speculation on lyrics is useless at the end of the day. I'm english and I took that from an anti-american perspective (since sept 11th, also american foreig policy and so on).

That's why i restrict myself to sound itself (and the ound of the voice and how it interacts w/sound that the group makes) and from that perspective Wilco don't do enough for me.

but then you're trying to interpret lyrics and most reviewers do that to interpret what the 'artist' is thinking and that can lead to all sorts of shit that i read in record reviews.

I mean: Dylan is a poet you know? and that horse shit.

I dunno - it makes me feel warm fuzzy feelings.

It's hard for me to explain why I like abstract metaphor and symbolism when Bob Dylan or Stephen Malkmus does it, but why I don't like it when Jeff Tweedy does it. I think it's partly in the delivery, and partly in the sense of humor - or rather Tweedy's apparent lack of same.

The "experimental" noise on this record is totally pointless, it's not integrated with the songs - just pasted at the end. I don't like the vague lyrics either, especially since I heard that they don't actually mean much. For me that is the worst type of lyrics.

I interpret this statement as Anti-Art.

I saw Wilco live last week. I enjoyed the record before, but more so now. It didn't feel "experimental" before, but when I saw them perform "I Am Trying to Break Your Heart" I saw Wilco experimenting. There are no genuinely radical ideas, but there are no inhibitions either. It is experimental pop, exactly.

So?? You didn't mean it, then?

keiko- can i ask what were they doing? how were they experimenting?

julio: it involved pipettes

Josh, you have done something no one has managed: I'm now interested in Wilco (not really).