pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

Languorous music is good not bad imho (see post-Romanticism).

Toxicity is pretty good.

That too.

Xpost on Trump era shoehorning, I thought the write up for "Cranes in the Sky" in the songs list was an egregious example of trying to fit something into our Big Political Moment:

Solange dropped A Seat at the Table less than six weeks before America elected Donald Trump as its 45th president. For people who had been listening to the album on repeat during that time, putting on “Cranes in the Sky,” its most moving track, was like popping an Emergen-C for a flu we didn’t even know we were in danger of contracting.

And the conclusion:

At a time when power is something loud and dangerous and brash, “Cranes in the Sky” is an atypical song of revolution. It will be played endlessly, hopefully in less toxic times—not during rallies, or when a candidate walks onstage, but in quiet moments when we need to reflect, recharge, and rediscover our own beauty.

But like, I don't know, the song seems more clearly about someone trying to get away from the city that reminds them of their ex-lover. Maybe I'm being too literal.

All snark aside my issue is not with the paucity of indie here - personally I'd rather listen to Meghan Trainor than Car Seat Headrest, which is saying a lot because I'd rather have my eyeballs extracted with corkscrews than listen to Meghan Trainor - but with the relative absence of other genres besides token indie and cult of personality r&b / rap / mainstream pop. There's been a lot of good afrobeat, jazz, metal, techno, and punk released over the past ten years but you'd never know it reading that list. I'm sure there were also good blues, zydeco, and bluegrass albums released too but I don't expect Pitchfork to cover those because they never have; the dearth of metal, jazz, and techno, however, is disappointing given some very excellent past and present metal, jazz, and techno writers on staff.

lmao i hadn't read any of the write-ups

But like, I don't know, the song seems more clearly about someone trying to get away from the city that reminds them of their ex-lover. Maybe I'm being too literal.

― klonman, Wednesday, October 9, 2019 12:47 PM (forty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I mean you could always go check what the artist had to say

I used to write and record a lot in Miami during that time, when there was a real estate boom in America, and developers were developing all of this new property. There was a new condo going up every ten feet. You recorded a lot there as well, and I think we experienced Miami as a place of refuge and peace. We weren’t out there wilin’ out and partying. I remember looking up and seeing all of these cranes in the sky. They were so heavy and such an eyesore, and not what I identified with peace and refuge. I remember thinking of it as an analogy for my transition—this idea of building up, up, up that was going on in our country at the time, all of this excessive building, and not really dealing with what was in front of us. And we all know how that ended. That crashed and burned. It was a catastrophe. And that line came to me because it felt so indicative of what was going on in my life as well. And, eight years later, it’s really interesting that now, here we are again, not seeing what’s happening in our country, not wanting to put into perspective all of these ugly things that are staring us in the face.

(source: https://www.interviewmagazine.com/music/solange -- previously she does mention it having a personal resonance as well, but the rest very much accords with the blurb)

she goes into more detail about this on the song exploder episode, it's a good one

Kitty’s proximity to black culture—coupled with glaring, if age-appropriate, knowledge gaps—made her an early target: A 2013 incident in which she misunderstood a reference on Beyoncé and JAY-Z’s “Drunk in Love” spurred thinkpieces and several days of Twitter discourse, but her thoughtful, nuanced Tumblr apology barely registered.

I can't believe that it's been 6 years since "eat the cake, anime"-gate! I still think about that line every time I eat cake or watch anime.

(that is from https://pitchfork.com/features/article/2010s-decade-in-viral-stardom-lil-nas-x-doja-cat-kitty-pryde/ )

"Also, Oliver Twist is from 2012, five years before that, if they wanted to include an actual breakthrough for Nigerian music."

Oliver Twist felt like a tipping point without much of a mainstream follow through - it was probably viewed as something of a novelty at the time. It took a while for artists like Wizkid and Burna Boy and Davido to break through into wider cosciousness (although they always played to massive crowds in Africa itself).

should've gone with 'ojuelegba' imho

i think it's fair to say afrobeats has not bled into the rest of the world even in the relatively minor way i had envisaged, like 'oliver twist' might as well be the macarena now

― r|t|c, Sunday, December 2, 2012 12:03 PM (six years ago)

I mean this turned out to be wrong, it took over a whole swathe of British urban pop, but it didn't feel wrong at the time.

The album gave Taylor Swift her first No. 1 hit (the irresistible “We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together”) and inaugurated many of her famously over-the-top marketing tactics: commemorative Keds sneakers, Papa John’s pizza boxes, weaponized tabloid gossip.

Red is when she started using weaponized tabloid gossip?

We avoid ugly words for years, then we hear "weaponized" in political contexts and we think it works in sentences.

what word do you suggest instead

The Red blurb is weaksauce; especially coming on the heels of brad's fantastic retroactive review.

Speak Now had more tabloid gossip material

We avoid ugly words for years, then we hear "weaponized" in political contexts and we think it works in sentences.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, October 9, 2019 2:19 PM (nineteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

what word do you suggest instead

― mark s, Wednesday, October 9, 2019

Papa Johnisized.

Or none. It's implied that tabloid gossip is dangerous.

"Oliver Twist" made zero impact in the US, so its absence on this very North American list is no surprise.

Some Rap Songs is great, but I Don't Like Shit... and Doris are both objectively better imo.

Interesting that they made room for a Lady Gaga album from 2009.

the editor note article said something about allowing 2009 work if it's impact wasn't felt until 2010... and that if anything really cool comes out real soon they'll throw in unnumbered additions.

maybe just do it all again in a few years woo

**RARE SPECIAL UNNUMBERED LIST ADDITION**

maybe Childish Gambino's 2020 album, featuring This Is America will be on the 10s lists that are written after the 10s !

(another weird absence from the song list??)

I mean not even Redbone ? Nothing.

childish gambino sucks ass

xp "Bad Romance" was a huge hit well before the '09 end-of-year lists but sure whatever lol

ok but when exactly did we realize?

xp sure whatever lol indeed

xp- i don't get the question--first time anyone heard a second of his music?

oooooooooooooooooooh

xp- i don't get the question--first time anyone heard a second of his music?

― flopson, Wednesday, October 9, 2019 12:29 PM (one minute ago)

lol otm

the first time he rapped over a grizzly bear song or whatever he was doing 10 years ago

my friend got free tickets to see him from work and i went. tbf encore of 'this is america' and 'redbone' to a packed theatre of fans jumping and screaming along was great, but the rest of it was just awful and he made everyone turn off their phones to live in the moment and a few songs in he said 'if you're just here to hear redbone and this is america you can leave right now' lol

by "we" of course I mean Pitchfork

holding out hope for best videos list

oof

i think it's clear from listening to childish gambino that donald glover is a really good actor.

Why are you all tying yourselves in knots over this list when there’s a perfectly good thread on uk streetsoul like 15 down from here right now

― what else are you all “over” (Champiness), woensdag 9 oktober 2019 3:34 bookmarkflaglink
underrated post

This might be a comment that belongs in another thread, but surely I'm not the only one here who questions the sense of having a genre-inclusive ranked list of any kind? Like, what does it even mean to compare Nicki Minaj to (Sandy) Alex G (to pick two adjacent artists)? They work in two almost completely dissimilar idioms. You can't say that a comparison isn't being made because...the list is ranked. If it were an unranked list, that would be a different story. But a ranked list of this kind always becomes sort of one long non-sequitur. Even if you were to separate it into genres you would probably still have similar problems.

TL;DR Get rid of ranked lists, scores, and any "objective" assessments of art that pit artists and styles against one another, IMO.

*Note--I am a filthy hypocrite, having participated in the iLX best of the 00s poll. :/

just view it as The Pitchfork 200-Album Canon 2010-2019, 2019 Version

Featuring Lady Gaga

Get rid of the canon too, while we're at it

I don't mean the existing canon, I mean the idea of canon

surely I'm not the only one here who questions the sense of having a genre-inclusive ranked list of any kind? Like, what does it even mean to compare Nicki Minaj to (Sandy) Alex G (to pick two adjacent artists)? They work in two almost completely dissimilar idioms.

I said this exact same thing, in the context of their "Best of the 1980s" list (I think that brouhaha is way upthread somewhere).

we're at the heart of it now, gang

Anyone tried to load this entire thread lately? RIP browser.

No kidding! I spent long enuff searching for what I said earlier (as if anyone cares!) that I'm gonna paste it, so the work was worth something:

I think that ranking all these albums against each other cuts against the grain of elevating new/different artists in a certain way (even in cases where they sit comparatively high on the chart), because it creates this weird arena in which ESG dukes it out with Bruce Springsteen (and wins handily!), and the resulting hierarchy relies on the conceit that albums from different genres -- and artists with totally different goals and approaches -- can even really be ranked comparatively at all. I do acknowledge that fewer readers would look at the list if it weren't ranked, tho.
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Tuesday, September 11, 2018 5:20 PM

September 11, 2018 -- Never Forget (I weighed in on the Pitchfork list).