So, good of T. to slip that in there.
― dow, Monday, 30 September 2019 01:29 (four years ago) link
Actually Shakey’s post is almost ten years old, but I only saw it recently:Poll: Nashville Skyline
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 September 2019 01:37 (four years ago) link
bob dylan's lefty frizzell gives me more kermit the frog imo but it does make me like his singing voice a little more thinking of it as lefty
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 30 September 2019 01:48 (four years ago) link
Wondering if Cornelius Brothers and Sister Rose were influenced in their naming convention by The Maddox Brothers & Rose.Okay, I do have one firsthand story that actually might be of interest to you. When I was introduced to Jimmy Wyble I was told “he played the solo on ‘Roly Poly’,” so I asked “And did Bob Wills say ‘Aah, Jimmy!’?” “Yes, and he hated it every time.” And Jimmy looked at me and said “I preferred to remain anonymous.”
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 September 2019 02:03 (four years ago) link
haha that's so good. Def talking-head worthy :)
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 30 September 2019 02:04 (four years ago) link
Lefty Frogzell:
http://toughpigs.com/uploaded_images/royrogers-726794.jpg
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 30 September 2019 02:04 (four years ago) link
Frog Dylan
You guys are reminding me of something in this post
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 September 2019 02:14 (four years ago) link
I really like Felice and Boudleaux Bryant and recognize their significance as the first full-time songwriters in Nashville but felt maybe there was a bit too much time devoted to them.
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 September 2019 02:52 (four years ago) link
I believe Boudreaux co-wrote this novelty number I have a soft spot for with one of their favorite artists, Little Jimmy Dickens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6PH2wPsEnM
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 September 2019 02:59 (four years ago) link
In episode two I wasn't too into the Minnie Pearl section. It was fine and I get why she's a country icon, but she wasn't really a singer or musician.
BTW, wiki says some of the interviews took place as early as 2012! Ken Burns must have a lot of pots cooking on the stove at once.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 September 2019 02:59 (four years ago) link
Minnie Pearl was a great ambassador for the Music for longer than just about anybody, and also figures in to a surprisingly big number of other artists lives (Hank I etc.).
This is all covered in later episodes.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 30 September 2019 03:05 (four years ago) link
^^^
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 30 September 2019 03:05 (four years ago) link
Yes, this is true.Some stuff I don’t think I saw in this doc but it kind of complicated and doesn’t always show up in other histories, particularly related to Why Nashville?:1) Before BMI, before Acuff-Rose, before the Bryants, it was very difficult for a songwriter to make a living off of/collect royalties for this kind of music or to connect with the artists since things were still so regional, except for in Hollywood because of the singing cowboy craze, where somebody like Cindy Walker could be a full-time songwriter and survive. Although the doc does mention that Gene Autry was big enough for ASCAP to handle his publishing.
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 September 2019 03:17 (four years ago) link
2) The breakthrough moment for Nashville as a recording hub is often said to be the freak pop hit in 1947 of Francis Craig’s “Near You” on Bullet Records, founded by Jim Bulleit, who left/was forced out shortly afterwards but still mentored other independent record label owners such as Sam Phillips.
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 September 2019 03:23 (four years ago) link
And Randy Wood of Dot Records.
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 September 2019 03:38 (four years ago) link
Debating whether to get a haircut this week or to just let it grow out to full-on Marty Stuart nirvana.
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 September 2019 11:34 (four years ago) link
I know why Minnie Pearl is important to country music culture, I just wasn't that interested in her story. I mean, Buck Owens is as famous (may even as important) for Hee Haw as he is for his music, but I would be bummed if the doc spent more time on the former than on the latter. But I do look forward to hearing Pearl's story fleshed out and connected to others, if that is the case.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 September 2019 11:41 (four years ago) link
It’s fleshed out a bit, but it might not be what you are after.Came to say, do you guys know about this podcast:https://holdingthingstogether.com/page/1/
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 September 2019 13:03 (four years ago) link
Thanks, will check that!Also re your mention of things were still so regional, except for in Hollywood because of the singing cowboy craze, the West Coast, and Hollywood in particular is the initial setting of the book I mentioned upthreadSouthwest Shuffle: Pioneers of Honky-Tonk, Western Swing, and Country Jazz starts at a peak, then tracks the adaptation, or lack thereof, of adventurous country artists to the rise of rock & roll and The Nashville Sound and Countrypolitan, yeesh. They're having to go back to the boonies from which many of them sprung, or worse (well not going back to the Dust Bowl etc but some of these cats were from okay palces, they just wanted to do better, and Nashville was not that, to them).
― dow, Monday, 30 September 2019 15:42 (four years ago) link
Also does this series mention that Nashville was orignally yet another industrial hub, to which the music biz was a graft that took a while to take: swarm of migrants from the Asheville axis, after the establishment of monster station WSM--but I've also read that country was often not the top format in local radio, during the mid-to-late 20th Century at least, because many of the people who moved to town for work were more attached to music of their home states--another reason for countrypolitan etc, smooother less rootsy sounds, although some of that was also for Southerners who had escaped ro were trying to escape from rougher roots.
― dow, Monday, 30 September 2019 15:51 (four years ago) link
Also did they mention Charlie Rich, although I get that he might not be full-time country enough for much mention, like Doug Sahm and Elvis.
― dow, Monday, 30 September 2019 15:52 (four years ago) link
Charlie Rich is brought up briefly during discussion about Billy Sherrill in the '70s, and later they play the clip of him burning the envelope at the CMAs.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 30 September 2019 16:18 (four years ago) link
Seems like in a way the only reason they brought Rich up was to set up that clip later.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 30 September 2019 16:22 (four years ago) link
He got a really backhanded mention that at least one of those podcasters was pretty mad about. He was referred to in passing as an “R&B journeyman.”
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 September 2019 16:37 (four years ago) link
Elvis gets quite a bit of airtime during the Rockabilly segment, which maybe goes on longer than it needs to, Doug Sahm nothing, even though the Texas Tornados are mentioned for a second at the tail end of the Freddie Fender segment, described as being created by Freddie along with Flaco Jimenez to promulgate conjunto music, which seemed to me to be close but not quite accurate
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 September 2019 16:42 (four years ago) link
many xps - i have not heard of that podcast James, looks good. i have downloaded first ep!
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 30 September 2019 16:44 (four years ago) link
Doug Sahm nothing, even though the Texas Tornados are mentioned for a second at the tail end of the Freddie Fender segment, described as being created by Freddie along with Flaco Jimenez to promulgate conjunto music, which seemed to me to be close but not quite accurate
Yup. I also took exception to them setting up the Austin scene and not mentioning him when they were rounding up scenesters. Furthermore, they totally overlooked Willie Nelson's Atlantic period, which Sahm figured into somewhat heavily.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 30 September 2019 17:07 (four years ago) link
Thought there was too much Guy Clark tbh
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 September 2019 18:05 (four years ago) link
And too much Rodney Crowell commentary as well tbh
But I guess he was grandfathered in to an automatic upgrade to more legroom and screentime for having once been part of the extended Carter/Cash Family.
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 September 2019 18:17 (four years ago) link
B-b-but in that case, Nick Lowe wuz robbed! Unless he sent Elvis Costello as his proxy.
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 September 2019 18:18 (four years ago) link
They didn't get into Carlene Carter as a recording artist either.
Guy Clark is pretty important as making a home base for all the Texas ex-pats in Nashville. Plus, thanks to Heartworn Highways, there's tons of footage of him and those guys doing their thing at that exact time.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 30 September 2019 18:31 (four years ago) link
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 September 2019 21:28 (four years ago) link
Roy Clark also talking about having bib overalls and 2 tailored tuxedos.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 30 September 2019 21:34 (four years ago) link
Two tuxedosbib overalls and a microphone
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 September 2019 21:45 (four years ago) link
Call BR-549 to find out where it's at!
https://img.discogs.com/Q1ARpqwtzO3n20ex8xCVV_GbSW4=/600x593/smart/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/A-1623841-1366102122-3075.jpeg.jpg
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 30 September 2019 21:55 (four years ago) link
Lol
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 September 2019 21:57 (four years ago) link
Podcast says KB started working on this eight years ago, think I heard.
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 September 2019 22:14 (four years ago) link
The Dillards weren't in this, huh?
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 30 September 2019 23:33 (four years ago) link
They were standing behind Rodney Crowell so you couldn’t see them
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 September 2019 23:35 (four years ago) link
*Ahem* https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-country/glen-campbell-museum-nashville-rhinestone-stage-869072/
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 03:56 (four years ago) link
james i am obsessed with that damn holding things together podcast
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 04:18 (four years ago) link
Cool. I just started listening. I listened to Rebecca's radio show first instead.
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 04:20 (four years ago) link
Aka, Honky Tonk Radio Girl
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 04:21 (four years ago) link
they drop some great infolike Jimmie Rodgers being huge amongst a tribe in Kenya thanks to missionarieshttps://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/chemirocha-how-an-american-country-singer-became-a-kenyan-star
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 04:43 (four years ago) link
You never heard of the Chemirocha before? I envy you finding out about that for the first time
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 12:12 (four years ago) link
So if I read correctly, major label recording didn’t hit it’s stride in Nashville until 1957, when Steve Sholes using Elvis money and momentum to instruct Chet Atkins to build the new studio RCA studio, with presumably the incident mentioned in the series about Decca not moving to Dallas and Owen Bradley building their new studio happening around the same time
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 16:53 (four years ago) link
Ugh “its” not “it’s”
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 16:54 (four years ago) link
Obviously there was recording on before that, some of it in WSM’s Air Castle Studio, not sure where else exactly.
― The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 17:04 (four years ago) link