I think we're still allowed to like Darkthrone because Fenriz had no involvement in the killings and stuff. Also:
Fenriz eventually apologized and disowned his behavior both in his words and his actions throughout the 2000s...In the liner notes of a career retrospective box set Black Death and Beyond, he acknowledged his regret over the language he used in the ’90s. 'There is no excuse,' he wrote."
so, cult of personality (everyone loves Fenriz, bm's most lovable and charismatic goofball) + repentance for problematic opinions = retrospective review. You certainly won't be seeing any retrospective Burzum reviews on Pfork anytime soon, despite the fact that Burzum's early records are better and more historically significant than this particular Darkthrone album
― Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 22 September 2019 12:29 (four years ago) link
I don't know, I could see a Burzum review. Though probably not with the link that says 'click here to buy, pitchfork might earn a commission'.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 22 September 2019 17:13 (four years ago) link
the darkthrone trilogy is as historically significant as burzum come on
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 22 September 2019 17:15 (four years ago) link
considerably more so imo
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 22 September 2019 17:20 (four years ago) link
i totally agree
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 22 September 2019 17:36 (four years ago) link
The Burzum album is goofy as shit also
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 22 September 2019 17:44 (four years ago) link
so what's gonna win album of the decade
― flappy bird, Monday, 23 September 2019 17:06 (four years ago) link
kanyiohead
― imago, Monday, 23 September 2019 17:07 (four years ago) link
greta van fleet foxes
― #YABASIC (morrisp), Monday, 23 September 2019 17:17 (four years ago) link
to pimp a sufjan
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 23 September 2019 17:44 (four years ago) link
doesn't feel a stretch to say that tpab will be the only great* album in their inevitable top ten, unless damn also makes it lol
*according to me
― imago, Monday, 23 September 2019 17:46 (four years ago) link
Has this Perry Farrell video been on the homepage since July?
https://pitchfork.com/tv/22-over-under/watch-perry-farrell-rate-face-tattoos-hedonism-and-touring-in-a-van/
― ☮ (peace, man), Monday, 23 September 2019 18:23 (four years ago) link
would be shocked if Visions isn't in the top 5
― flappy bird, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:29 (four years ago) link
Given how people's perceptions of Kanye get better in periods when he keeps out of the spotlight (i.e. keeps his mouth shut), I'm guessing MBDTF could still take this
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Monday, 23 September 2019 18:34 (four years ago) link
xxp oh no, don't tell me perry is a nine trey blood as well
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Monday, 23 September 2019 18:35 (four years ago) link
been caught crippin'
― Mommy...can I go out and VAPE tonight? (voodoo chili), Monday, 23 September 2019 18:40 (four years ago) link
no way, #1 is definitely going to a political album
― flappy bird, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:45 (four years ago) link
TPAButterfly?
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 23 September 2019 18:46 (four years ago) link
or am i in the wrong decade, lol i have no idea why i bookmark this thread as i never read pitchfork
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 23 September 2019 18:47 (four years ago) link
TPAB for sure, Lemonade also
― flappy bird, Monday, 23 September 2019 18:53 (four years ago) link
I doubt that.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 23 September 2019 18:55 (four years ago) link
Seems like Lemonade's stock is falling, at least as an album. Read a couple recent things about people saying that it really doesn't hold up well outside of its timeframe and without the visual element, I don't think that will place nearly as highly as it may once have.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 23 September 2019 19:22 (four years ago) link
Calling Have One On Me for top 10
― J. Sam, Monday, 23 September 2019 19:26 (four years ago) link
where does Emotion land?
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 23 September 2019 19:29 (four years ago) link
#79
― J. Sam, Monday, 23 September 2019 19:30 (four years ago) link
I'd guess:
1 TPAB2 Lemonade3 Blonde4 Have One On Me5 Lana Del Rey6 Sufjan7 Jai Paul8 Kanye9 King Krule10 Vampire Weekend
11-20 Big Thief, Solange, DAMN, Bon Iver, Mitski, Beach House, D'Angelo, Robyn, The Suburbs, Danny Brown, RTJ. I don't think Visions will make top 20. I also don't know what I'm typing about or why I'm thinking about this.
― fgti (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 23 September 2019 19:38 (four years ago) link
Seems like Lemonade's stock is falling, at least as an album. Read a couple recent things about people saying that it really doesn't hold up well outside of its timeframe and without the visual element, I don't think that will place nearly as highly as it may once have.― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, September 23, 2019 3:22 PM (fifteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, September 23, 2019 3:22 PM (fifteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
yeah I think is is correct. what about the Solange album? what is the top ranking album by a woman going to be?
― flappy bird, Monday, 23 September 2019 19:39 (four years ago) link
Lemonade will definitely be top 10 and I'd be very surprised if it's not top 5.
FGTI's list looks pretty good though I think that's definitely too high for King Krule, I would expect to see something like Solange or Tame Impala outrank him.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 23 September 2019 19:43 (four years ago) link
wow, forgot about Blonde- yeah, that'll definitely be up there. idk about Sufjan (didn't Mt. Eerie one-up him with his grief albums?), and while I love HOOM and think it'll place, I can't see it being in the top 10, it's been too long and while JN is still beloved I'm not sure HOOM is the same.
no way Visions doesn't make the top 10, arguably the most influential album of the decade
twisted fantasy or yeezus in the top 10? should be the latter
― flappy bird, Monday, 23 September 2019 19:44 (four years ago) link
Oh damn Fiona Apple will be up there too, duh. Insofar as "political" goes I don't think well-regarded albums by Ariel Pink, Sun Kill Moon or Swans will make top 20. Insofar as "their stock has fallen" I don't think LCD, Destroyer or Tame Impala will make top 20.
I ranked King Krule so highly mostly because it's... probably my favourite widely-celebrated album of the past ten years, certainly my most-listened to. It's so great!
I think Lemonade will be the highest-rated album made by a female musician, if not, then Lana. I think they ranked Solange higher that year as a mild controp
I don't think Visions will make top 10 and possibly even top 20-- it doesn't hold together as an album-- but "Oblivion" will be top 5 tracks
― fgti (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 23 September 2019 19:45 (four years ago) link
I am interested (as interested as I can be about this shit, at least) to see where all the 2010 albums place-- Beach House, Contra, HOOM, The Suburbs, Kanye, etc. I myself forget that they came out this decade it all seems so long ago.
I have thoughts about Mt. Eerie, that the album's back-story obliterated anybody's capacity to approach it with any criticality when it dropped; Sufjan's grief album is unquestionably ""superior"" insofar as lists and rankings go-- really revelling in the particularly ghoulish nature of this exercise at this exact moment, lists are so dumb
If there was going to be a surprise ""outsider"" album in the top 20 (like Grouper, i.e.) my vote would be for the Under The Skin OST. If we're talking "what was the most influential recording of the past ten years" it'd be that.
― fgti (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 23 September 2019 19:51 (four years ago) link
holds up well!
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 23 September 2019 20:12 (four years ago) link
Agreed w/ most of it fgti, but I do think Destroyer will make the top 20. Under the Skin should make it, too, but we should be so lucky...
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 September 2019 20:16 (four years ago) link
i think art angels will place above visions
― Mommy...can I go out and VAPE tonight? (voodoo chili), Monday, 23 September 2019 20:17 (four years ago) link
if I wasn't an idiot I'd have gamed my ballot and voted Mitski, which was just outside my 10 as it stoke
― imago, Monday, 23 September 2019 20:17 (four years ago) link
stood
Did u vote 4 Jute Gyte tho
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 September 2019 20:19 (four years ago) link
If yes: Was it for Perdurance
yes and yes
denied voting in their shitty tracks poll by the page unaccountably refreshing while i was compiling a ballot. now nobody will have given oranssi pazuzu and arch garrison top and second billing respectively. THERES NO JUSTICE
― imago, Monday, 23 September 2019 20:30 (four years ago) link
let it be known that i would have thrown Akrakabo right up there too
― imago, Monday, 23 September 2019 20:31 (four years ago) link
Good man :)
I much prefer voting in your own poll tbh, and am of the opinion that a '10s poll is too soon to call, in September 2019.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 September 2019 20:32 (four years ago) link
Based on the way predictions have been worded in this thread I almost forgot this was a readers poll. I started reading posts like "Yeah, they'll totally pull that move again this time won't they"
― Evan, Monday, 23 September 2019 20:37 (four years ago) link
yeah obviously it's too soon. fuck pitchfork always
― imago, Monday, 23 September 2019 20:38 (four years ago) link
reader's poll is why I'd imagine Beach House has a better shot at top 10 than Lemonade
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 23 September 2019 20:40 (four years ago) link
i think flappy was posting a question about who p4k editorial would choose--the presence of a reader's poll usually means the staff poll is coming soon
― Mommy...can I go out and VAPE tonight? (voodoo chili), Monday, 23 September 2019 20:40 (four years ago) link
I am so surprised that there is anyone in the world that doesn't consider "Lemonade" to be one of the best albums ever made, but anyway
Yeah, the most influential piece of music in the film score community (in my estimation) from 2000-2009 was Desplat's score to "Birth". From 2010-present it's unquestionably the Levi. I can't even count the number of times that I've been watching a film and posited which Under The Skin cue had been used as temp score, it was so ubiquitous.
My bet for the next five/ten years is the score to Hereditary.
― fgti (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 23 September 2019 20:47 (four years ago) link
no way king krule will even crack the top thirty. he's a british white guy that plays guitar; not exactly the thing that gets people talking. pfork is nothing if not a complete attention slut and putting guitar records that high will get them very few retweets.
i'm expecting a very kendrick and solange heavy top ten, though they could just be complete dicks and put fucking bon iver all over it. honestly it's going to be a shitty list no matter what because of the quality records it's going to overlook: thinking things like bobby wratten, king, burial, william tyler, julia holter (i guess if anyone has a chance, she does, but it's not likely), carla morrison, la luz, mount kimbie, and others (all equally as boring). no matter; they've ignored plenty of brilliant records and will continue to do so because it just doesn't fit the agenda or the image.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 23 September 2019 20:52 (four years ago) link
also lol if you think they won't fuck with the results
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 23 September 2019 20:53 (four years ago) link
no way king krule will even crack the top thirty. he's a british white guy that plays guitar; not exactly the thing that gets people talking.
🤔
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 23 September 2019 20:55 (four years ago) link
go away
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 23 September 2019 20:56 (four years ago) link