“7empest” is the best tool song goddamn
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 1 September 2019 05:06 (four years ago) link
I feel like I'm missing out on so much by not knowing music theory :-/
12/8 & 5/4 guitar over 11/8 rhythm section in Fear Inoculumhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybgz0QvaE5k
7/16 & 7/3 drum rhythm in Invinciblehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLvxWix_Pzw
― StanM, Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:39 (four years ago) link
for me what sets tool apart from other prog metal acts i've heard (and makes them actually listenable) is that they are able to coax out visceral and enjoyable grooves out of complex meters and polyrhythms that feel natural and not forced. compare that with a group like 'animals as leaders' whose work seems to be just exercises in stringing together complex patterns to be appreciated at an intellectual level
― diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Sunday, 1 September 2019 18:39 (four years ago) link
Very tribal/drum circle metal.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 1 September 2019 18:44 (four years ago) link
xpost: well put - I didn't get that invincible thing at all until 7:14 when he played it over the music, then it suddenly worked
― StanM, Sunday, 1 September 2019 19:09 (four years ago) link
It's 3/16 :) (the point is combining 3 x 7/16 with 7 x 3/16, which in both cases ends up as 21/16)
― Frederik B, Sunday, 1 September 2019 19:14 (four years ago) link
Reviewed it:https://t.co/rhiwrEeHnu
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:40 (four years ago) link
The guitar has always been the least interesting part of Tool
― FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:53 (four years ago) link
I still haven't finished this. Hurricane stress has me playing all death metal
I have liked what i have heard tho
― FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:54 (four years ago) link
love this record I decided.
― big city slam (Spottie), Sunday, 1 September 2019 22:41 (four years ago) link
same
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 1 September 2019 22:43 (four years ago) link
It's definitely growing on me. It helps to focus on the drumming. I think on first listen I was just hearing a lot of flat empty space where it seemed like they were avoiding songcraft. Probably why 7empest stood out first.
― jmm, Monday, 2 September 2019 00:13 (four years ago) link
Every few years I’ll catch Sober somewhere and I’m surprised by how much I still like it. Special kind of eeriness that sticks out in that early 90s rock landscape. Won’t rep for Maynard as a person or a lyricist but “Waiting like a stalking butler/Who upon the finger rests” is forever buried in my brain. Great haunted house of a song.The more prog they got the less I cared.
― circa1916, Monday, 2 September 2019 02:26 (four years ago) link
"Eulogy" is my all time fav
― FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 September 2019 02:36 (four years ago) link
Yeah that was a fav from AEnima too at the time. I really loved these guys in high school (up to the Lateralus era, which I half dug) so can’t fully get on the lol-TOOL train. Can’t make it through a whole album anymore, but still have some appreciation for the pre-Lateralus jams. Debuting your big deal followup album with a single about fisting buttholes was pretty good imo.
― circa1916, Monday, 2 September 2019 04:39 (four years ago) link
I liked your review, Whiney.
― StanM, Monday, 2 September 2019 09:05 (four years ago) link
if there's one album I'd completely trust Whiney to review well it's this lol
― imago, Monday, 2 September 2019 09:09 (four years ago) link
ha, thanks guys!
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 2 September 2019 20:57 (four years ago) link
I dreaded listening to this (the length, the austerity, the lyrics, Toolbros, etc) but...I like it? Adding some dynamics and simmer to odd-time meditations is a good move. And it sounds really good.
Listening to the Trap set episode with Carey, I thought he'd be a little more erudite, he sounds like some 70s burnout guy, with endless repetition of 'maaaan', 'dude' and 'fuckin...' was jarring to listen to.
Oh same for sure, I imagined him being more of a pseudo-intellectual stoner type.
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 14:59 (four years ago) link
Put this on again yesterday, still think it's mostly just OK. "7empest" is cool but sounds like something that would have been toward the start of past Tool albums rather than its conclusion. And too many of their songs end the same way, with some minimal morse-code guitar riff while Carey does a bunch of killer fills. Though I kind of like that about them.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 15:10 (four years ago) link
morse code uses a single tone and seems like a bad description. i don't recall any marquee moon solos in this thing.
― ilxors are still exuberant (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 16:50 (four years ago) link
Morse code riffs then. Chug. Chug chug. Chug. Chug Chug Chug. Chug.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 17:05 (four years ago) link
i agree that the single tone of a morse code and the multiple tones of these riffs are excited according to the timing of a rhythm
― ilxors are still exuberant (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 17:12 (four years ago) link
I know what you mean. I just think all riffs are as much morse code as these riffs.
― ilxors are still exuberant (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 17:15 (four years ago) link
and you are being unfair to these poor riffs, which are good
― ilxors are still exuberant (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 17:16 (four years ago) link
lol I got back to my headphones and you are correct, Josh. They do that multiple times with the same tone at the end of songs.
― ilxors are still exuberant (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 17:28 (four years ago) link
it is just Invincible and Descending, though.
― ilxors are still exuberant (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 17:30 (four years ago) link
the one chord chug always sounds cool
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 17:46 (four years ago) link
I love the minimalist one chord chugs, actually. And the Carey fills. It just underscores how for all the tightness of the arrangements and chops and stuff their compositions are often in the end just variations on time signature subdivisions. Which is cool, too!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 18:59 (four years ago) link
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, September 4, 2019 10:46 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
otmthe post-helmet database of 90s alt-rock bands copping staccato/modal/minimal riffs
― big city slam (Spottie), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 22:38 (four years ago) link
god this record is just so good. great review whiney
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 22:42 (four years ago) link
yeah good review. i love all the six actual songs on here pretty much equally at this point.
― big city slam (Spottie), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 22:43 (four years ago) link
I enjoyed listening to it again at dinner, and it says ... something that my family did not tell me to turn it off! Also, I listened to it on a mono bluetooth speaker, which did some awesome things to the mix, most notably making it sound (even more) like one big drum solo, which was kind of cool.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 September 2019 01:47 (four years ago) link
the way adam jones plays the same riff for three minutes straight on 'invincible' while the song changes dramatically around him is something else
― diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Thursday, 5 September 2019 03:02 (four years ago) link
i had no idea how much Maynard looks like the guy who played Dean Pelton of Community
― FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Thursday, 5 September 2019 03:11 (four years ago) link
Taylor Swift stans learning who Tool are because they're currently selling more copies than "Lover" is really something special pic.twitter.com/k398YRDzvZ— Ryan Broderick (@broderick) September 4, 2019
― j., Thursday, 5 September 2019 14:27 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56Cqbk9CJz8
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 September 2019 14:34 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L6UNI4S-dc
mmm, I'm not sure - not as convincing as the 10,000 Days one imho
― StanM, Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:41 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-ALEXvu3b8
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:47 (four years ago) link
Dig the repetitive riffs remind me of "Didn't We Deserve a Look at you As you really are" by Shellac
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 5 September 2019 17:12 (four years ago) link
I was just thinking how funny this album would sound if all the muscular drums were replaced with rinky-dink '80s electric drums.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 September 2019 17:57 (four years ago) link
Chocolate Chip Trip is some good bloop bleep
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 5 September 2019 18:40 (four years ago) link
Yeah the occasional synth or thumb piano texture is like a blast of fresh air
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 5 September 2019 18:42 (four years ago) link
Did I hear a triggered clap or two?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 September 2019 19:13 (four years ago) link
another printing of the ltd edition is available to order on their site until midnight tonight
― diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Friday, 6 September 2019 03:54 (four years ago) link
sold out already btw
― StanM, Friday, 6 September 2019 04:09 (four years ago) link
none of this is anything Meshuggah haven't done way better obv― imago, Friday, August 30, 2019 1:31 PM (forty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglinkI have yet to have my "Meshuggah moment" because I can't handle the vocals. But I should give 'em another try.― Paul Ponzi, Friday, 30 August 2019 18:19 (one week ago) linkI'm not sure Meshuggah is a remotely comparable band.― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 30 August 2019 18:26 (one week ago) link
― imago, Friday, August 30, 2019 1:31 PM (forty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I have yet to have my "Meshuggah moment" because I can't handle the vocals. But I should give 'em another try.
― Paul Ponzi, Friday, 30 August 2019 18:19 (one week ago) link
I'm not sure Meshuggah is a remotely comparable band.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 30 August 2019 18:26 (one week ago) link
quick chime in that years back during a Lateralus-era tour Mesuggah opened for them and during the Tool set they brought out their drummer to jam during "Triad" and it fucking killed.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 6 September 2019 04:59 (four years ago) link
I also saw that tour and enjoyed Meshuggah far more than Tool, even though I hadn't heard any Meshuggah. Maynard sang at the rear of the stage with his back to the audience the whole show, and during a break they played a ten minute noise loop. I think I'd dig that kind of weirdness more now but at age 21 I felt completely ripped off
― Vinnie, Friday, 6 September 2019 10:06 (four years ago) link
Isis opened for Tool on one tour too, iirc.
I've seen the band a few times but don't remember much about any of the shows. I saw them on Ozzfest once or twice, in a smaller theatre once, in a bigger theatre once (I brought my dad, who was amused).
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 6 September 2019 13:27 (four years ago) link
I caught the Meshuggah/Tool show in Toledo, Ohio.It might have been the only time I ever went to Toledo, Ohio.
Anyway, I like the new record a lot and i feel that "7empest" might be the quintessential Tool track.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 6 September 2019 14:20 (four years ago) link